‘It’s All Over’ — Donald Trump Cites Gordon Sondland’s Testimony as Impeachment Exoneration

AACJ · Nov 20, 2019

durangodawood said:
Gosh thats a convenient distinction to invoke whenever it suits you.

Not a matter of convenience but of obviousness. You know very well that persons (God the Father is a person) execute and demonstrate both permissive and desirous wills. The parent may permit their child to bring about something even though the child's choice is not desired by the parent.

Divorce was never God's desirous will, but He permitted it becasue of the weakness of man.

God desires person A to be president but will permit person B to be elected if the conditions for the election of person A are not met by God's people.

If the Church fails in its duty pertaining to faith, prayer and other Christian means in meeting God's conditions for the election of his desired President, then God will allow a fool to take office. However, God will choose which fool that will be. Either way, God's sovereignty is not compromised and His decretive will to work though the Saints of God to bring about true good in society is also not compromised.

AACJ · Nov 20, 2019

Belk said:
Then you have no more idea of whom God desires to be president then any other mortal.

Should I attempt to convince you. Not a chance.

durangodawood · Nov 20, 2019

Kenny'sID said:
Do some of you people approve of anyone, when it comes to the presidency? Or is every election just something that gives some a fresh reason to live/gripe for the next four yrs. lol

I dont know what you mean by "you people". I'm expressing my own ideas here.

AACJ · Nov 20, 2019

stevil said:
Anyway, as I understand it, not even you are an authority on what the hidden, quiet and invisible Christain god does. If god wants to clarify, then he/she/it can clarify, doesn't need you to be the mouthpiece.

That is just another way of saying that God does not speak through man. On what authority do you base that?

Invisible God? Believe me, you don't want God Almighty to appear before you in His glory.

Bobber · Nov 20, 2019

durangodawood said:
For sure. The voting public didnt even want Trump in the first place. Did that matter?

So are you insinuating the electoral college is some evil thing?

durangodawood · Nov 20, 2019

AACJ said:
Not a matter of convenience but of obviousness. You know very well that persons (God the Father is a person) execute and demonstrate both permissive and desirous wills. The parent may permit their child to bring about something even though the child's choice is not desired by the parent.

Divorce was never God's desirous will, but He permitted it becasue of the weakness of man.

God desires person A to be president but will permit person B to be elected if the conditions for the election of person A are not met by God's people.

If the Church fails in its duty pertaining to faith, prayer and other Christian means in meeting God's conditions for the election of his desired President, then God will allow a fool to take office. However, God will choose which fool that will be. Either way, God's sovereignty is not compromised and His decretive will to work though the Saints of God to bring about true good in society is also not compromised.

"Permissive will" is just the parent's allowing something to occur that he personally does not will.

So its not really proper to call the actual outcome "the parent's will".

Kenny'sID · Nov 20, 2019

durangodawood said:
I dont know what you mean by "you people". I'm expressing my own ideas here.

I mean others make that same expression, and seem to be conveying none are good enough, and that their sole reason to live is to complain. FWIW, it's far from just you, or may not necessarily even be you, your post just pulled the point from me.

That the idea I'm expressing.

durangodawood · Nov 20, 2019

Bobber said:
So are you insinuating the electoral college is some evil thing?

I have mixed feelings about the EC.

But whatever your opinion of the EC, the will of the voters is expressed in the vote count.

I understand the arguments why the will of the voters should not necessarily prevail in the election of a president.

Bobber · Nov 20, 2019

whatbogsends said:
The right has been quoting Ken Starr again and again to DEFEND Trump. Can't wait to see how they try to distance themselves from their advocacy of Starr. I think most likely, they'll just try to ignore it and pretend it never happened.

And those statements were made when? BEFORE the Republicans had the opportunity to cross examine! See this below,

"Later in the day, though, Starr reappeared during Fox News’ coverage of the hearing and said Republicans were “helped tremendously” by later developments in today’s hearing, especially Republican counsel’s pointing out that Sondland had failed to mention in his opening statement that Trump had told him “I want nothing” and “no quid pro quo” with regard to Ukraine."

Ken Starr Tells Fox News “Bombshell Day” Will Bring Trump Impeachment – Deadline

Actually as one who gives professional commentary as he does he should have known this already was on the public record from days before. Even I knew that.

Semper-Fi · Nov 20, 2019

A_Thinker said:
Sounds like there ought to be an
AMERICAN investigation.

I wonder why there hasn't been one ... ???

I hope Attorney General William Barr exposes
more of the radical left’s attack on the United
States Constitution and the rule of law.

AG Barr speaks at the Federalist Society's
National Lawyers Convention

Bobber · Nov 20, 2019

Belk said:
Then you have no more idea of whom God desires to be president then any other mortal.

Actually you might consider some people might or let me put it this way there might be certain times God gets involved and does something for a certain purpose or doesn't do something for certain reasons. There is something called intercession in prayer and to ones who pray God will many times tell them things. For the reason that most haven't maybe experienced that doesn't mean it's not true. Very few people have walked on the Moon but it doesn't do away with the fact that some have. I do know this all the commotions taking place in the U.S. right now didn't take God by surprise.

Kentonio · Nov 20, 2019

Devin Nunes face during Sondland’s testimony tells you everything you need to know about how ‘well’ today went for the Republicans. They can scream and twist all they like, but Sondland’s testimony was absolutely explosive. Not only for Trump but for Pompeo, Pence, Giuliani, Perry and others.

Once they get these people obeying the law and their subpoenas and testifying under oath, it’s done.

DaisyDay · Nov 20, 2019

AACJ said:
Well, considering how well the Pres has done in keeping his word to his voter base, then yes his word caries quite a bit of weight.

He still hasn't released his tax returns - that is entirely in his own control and power. He hasn't replaced Obamacare or even come up with a proposal. He hasn't "locked her up" - as much as he would have liked to have.

DaisyDay · Nov 20, 2019

Pavel Mosko said:
I think there is some real hope on this stuff. I like Tim Pool as a litmus test. Pool is a democrat who does like Trump, but wants to be fair, objective etc. and the whole one sidedness of the coverage and the hearings has really affected him and some other You-tube video news folks I watch.

Yeah, he may say he's a democrat (lowercase d), but all his positions happen to be right-wing. Odd, that.

BobRyan · Nov 20, 2019

NightHawkeye said:
‘It’s All Over’ — Donald Trump Cites Gordon Sondland’s Testimony as Impeachment Exoneration

President Donald Trump emphasized Wednesday he told Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland he wanted no quid pro quo with Ukraine.
...
“That means it’s all over,” Trump said to reporters as he left the White House, adding he “turned off the television” after he heard Sondland’s recollection of a call he had with the president about Ukraine.
...
Sondland testified Trump told him twice that he wanted nothing from Ukraine, other than President Zelensky to do the right thing.

Good point.

It becomes more and more clear as time goes by that certain democrat leaders were trying to get blood out of a turnip. Looked pretty good in the marketing-and-hype phase but then a lot of "buyers-remorse" when the package is opened.

BobRyan · Nov 20, 2019

DaisyDay said:
He still hasn't released his tax returns

If phone calls are not impeachable at least not disclosing tax returns should be... and if that does not work then not writing a birthday card to your grandchild should be impeachable...yeah.. that one for sure!!

Pavel Mosko · Nov 20, 2019

DaisyDay said:
Yeah, he may say he's a democrat (lowercase d), but all his positions happen to be right-wing. Odd, that.

Jimmy Dore would say that is because he is not working for the corporate sellout media!

KCfromNC · Nov 20, 2019

AACJ said:
If Vidman is correct, then there is never a scenario where any US President can ask a favor of a nation with less status than the US without such request amounting to a demand.

Now I'm curious which bit of his testimony was misunderstood to lead to such a weird conclusion.

KCfromNC · Nov 20, 2019

Bobber said:
So are you insinuating the electoral college is some evil thing?

Evil is overstating it, but it has led to some objectively terrible GOP candidates getting elected in this century.

KCfromNC · Nov 20, 2019

Bobber said:
And those statements were made when? BEFORE the Republicans had the opportunity to cross examine! See this below,

"Later in the day, though, Starr reappeared during Fox News’ coverage of the hearing and said Republicans were “helped tremendously” by later developments in today’s hearing, especially Republican counsel’s pointing out that Sondland had failed to mention in his opening statement that Trump had told him “I want nothing” and “no quid pro quo” with regard to Ukraine."

I thought the timing of his spontaneous, unprompted use of the phrase, just after the start of a Congressional investigation into such behavior, led to a pretty obvious explanation - Donald was lying about something after he knew he got caught. Same reason he eventually gave in and allowed the money to go to Ukraine instead of getting the quid pro quo he had been negotiating for.

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