Childless couple spark debate after complaining about their neighbours’ ‘wailing’ baby in open lette

Aryeh Jay said:

Thank you for clearing that up, as a young stupid kid in the Army in the 1980s, I heard that phrase a lot and it wasn’t in a good way.

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Yeah, it always sounded like some kind of derogatory term for Asians to me even thought I knew what it stood for.

bekkilyn said:

Did they actually buy the house or were they renting? If renting, I know I would have picked up and moved long before three years. Even if I had kids wouldn't mean that I would want to put up with someone else's kids screaming in my ear most of the night.

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I remember living in the UK. You were lucky to have any kind of place at all to stay. There was a severe housing shortage in the early 90's and I doubt it got much better.

I remember one witty neighbour playing some some song about having sex after hearing me and my wife having fun.

Just shrugged , got the boombox out of the closet stuck it on the apartment roof and played ABBA´s "Thank You For the Music" for a while


Never heard from them again......

Parent's with kids should have houses or live down stairs in appartmentsperiod.

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:

Parent's with kids should have houses or live down stairs in appartmentsperiod.

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Thousands of years ago, in Israel, as God directed them, it was like that. Every family was given a house/property as their own, and it was meant to remain in the family line.

The USA is quite a bit removed from doing anything God's Way though, thus the troubles and sin growing, and(except for areas where Yahuweh provides some relief for His people and for others) it only will get worse until Jesus returns.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Thousands of years ago, in Israel, as God directed them, it was like that. Every family was given a house/property as their own, and it was meant to remain in the family line.

The USA is quite a bit removed from doing anything God's Way though, thus the troubles and sin growing, and(except for areas where Yahuweh provides some relief for His people and for others) it only will get worse until Jesus returns.

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The upstairs apartments in America our very thin. Everything is heard. This is a big problem. It has nothing to do with God.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Thousands of years ago, in Israel, as God directed them, it was like that. Every family was given a house/property as their own, and it was meant to remain in the family line.

The USA is quite a bit removed from doing anything God's Way though, thus the troubles and sin growing, and(except for areas where Yahuweh provides some relief for His people and for others) it only will get worse until Jesus returns.

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I personally wouldn't have any issues with everyone being provided a living space of their own according to need, but we can't have nice things like that because certain political factions have decided that it's "socialism" vs. any sort of mandate from God to care for our neighbors.

bekkilyn said:

I personally wouldn't have any issues with everyone being provided a living space of their own according to need, but we can't have nice things like that because certain political factions have decided that it's "socialism" vs. any sort of mandate from God to care for our neighbors.

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Almost ever since the USA formed a government, it has year after year gotten worse.

I don't now of any attempt by the government in the last century to honor Scripture //// but now, more dangerously,
because of M ON E Y , (they found out it is less costly to house the homeless with no strings attached than to leave them homeless) ,
several cities and maybe states (like Hawaii, etc ) , are 'imitating' the beast system used in Finland (apparently) , deciding to give everyone money and housing every month, called "common income".....

not as if any mandate from God, but from the enemy of Christ, "appearing" to do good, while destroying lives and souls.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Almost ever since the USA formed a government, it has year after year gotten worse.

I don't now of any attempt by the government in the last century to honor Scripture //// but now, more dangerously,
because of M ON E Y , (they found out it is less costly to house the homeless with no strings attached than to leave them homeless) ,
several cities and maybe states (like Hawaii, etc ) , are 'imitating' the beast system used in Finland (apparently) , deciding to give everyone money and housing every month, called "common income".....

not as if any mandate from God, but from the enemy of Christ, "appearing" to do good, while destroying lives and souls.

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I wouldn't consider it a "beast system" any more than any other operation of secular government. I'd file it in the category of "rendering unto Caesar that which is Caesar's". The government can be a useful tool for people to use to do things that are loving to their neighbors (providing people with homes) just like they can use government as a tool to harm their neighbors (putting immigrant children in concentration camps under the guise of national security).

bekkilyn said:

I wouldn't consider it a "beast system" any more than any other operation of secular government

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Right. No argument there. (hint: this is not saying anything good about secular government... all of it being, you know...)

bekkilyn said:

The government can be a useful tool for people to use to do things that are loving to their neighbors (providing people with homes) just like they can use government as a tool to harm their neighbors (putting immigrant children in concentration camps under the guise of national security).

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As Yahuweh USED (purposefully Egypt, Persia, Britain, Germany, the USA, etc etc etc ) , yes.
For His Own Plan and His Own Purpose, Divinely Co-ordinated, Perfectly Orchestrated, like a POEM!

As for the hype about the children, native and indigenous and naturalized and (what else) citizens of the USA are in danger daily from government policies, practices, laws, and whims. (of justice , etc) ...

Using political means, social means, in the ways of the world, is not to me a good way to go.

DO what is right yourself, as God Says Clearly, and pray daily for those in government, that we might live in peace (no, not at the cost of truth - we must stand for what is true and right in Christ Jesus).
HE will accomplish what man cannot, as always,

in Him,
His permanent disciple.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

As Yahuweh USED (purposefully Egypt, Persia, Britain, Germany, the USA, etc etc etc ) , yes.
For His Own Plan and His Own Purpose, Divinely Co-ordinated, Perfectly Orchestrated, like a POEM!

As for the hype about the children, native and indigenous and naturalized and (what else) citizens of the USA are in danger daily from government policies, practices, laws, and whims. (of justice , etc) ...

Using political means, social means, in the ways of the world, is not to me a good way to go.

DO what is right yourself, as God Says Clearly, and pray daily for those in government, that we might live in peace (no, not at the cost of truth - we must stand for what is true and right in Christ Jesus).
HE will accomplish what man cannot, as always,

in Him,
His permanent disciple.

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I'm often inspired by Daniel and Joseph when it comes to government. They used their positions in the government to do good just as we the people can use our positions in the government, even if just as voters, to do good. Of course, Babylon and Egypt were not always the most "Godly" of governments, but Daniel and Joseph still did right in the eyes of the Lord and yet worked within the systems available to them that God ultimately used for his good.

bekkilyn said:

even if just as voters, to do good.

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That's my que.... (soapbox)? ... I have yet to see anyone who counts on voting to do or say what is right according to God's Word . In all the posts, of all the forums, of all the world web, why has this come to this point at this time.....

bekkilyn said:

Daniel and Joseph still did right in the eyes of the Lord and yet worked within the systems available to them that God ultimately used for his good.

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The true men of Yahuweh, faithful Ekklesia, did what Yahuweh told them to do,
even if He did not use the governments/ agencies/ peoples for His Good. No matter what the governments did, or the agencies, the faithful men always do/did/ what Yahuweh directs. even if it meant beatings, jail time, lion's dens, and funnaces ... er, furnaces.... (and as revealed in Foxes Book of Martyrs, even if immediate death / execution resulted - the faithful ones did not draw back) (and apparently they never voted, trusting instead their lives and all the circumstances to the Faithful Creator)

yeshuaslavejeff said:

That's my que.... (soapbox)? ... I have yet to see anyone who counts on voting to do or say what is right according to God's Word . In all the posts, of all the forums, of all the world web, why has this come to this point at this time.....

The true men of Yahuweh, faithful Ekklesia, did what Yahuweh told them to do,
even if He did not use the governments/ agencies/ peoples for His Good. No matter what the governments did, or the agencies, the faithful men always do/did/ what Yahuweh directs. even if it meant beatings, jail time, lion's dens, and funnaces ... er, furnaces.... (and as revealed in Foxes Book of Martyrs, even if immediate death / execution resulted - the faithful ones did not draw back) (and apparently they never voted, trusting instead their lives and all the circumstances to the Faithful Creator)

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There wasn't any such thing Democratic sort of government where anyone had ability to vote though. Now we do. It's not that people of God are forbidden to vote or to act in any government capacity, but that we aren't supposed to be selling our souls while doing so. We cannot use excuses of the ends justifying the means. We certainly cannot count on voting or to put our trust in it, but we can work with it as a tool to do good things for people, for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness when it comes to the U.S.. That's what a government is for.

To get back on topic though, why are parents of a constantly screaming child and a child-free-by-choice couple forced to co-exist for three years without any solution?

bekkilyn said:

There wasn't any such thing Democratic sort of government where anyone had ability to vote though. Now we do.

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Not helpful.

Used by God, yes, just like Egypt and Persia and so forth, but not helpful, and not to be trusted.

Remember when the Israelties chose by popularity (i.e. 'voting') for something?
They wanted meat, like they had had in Egypt when they were in bondage, slaves.

They wanted a king, like other nations.

And Yahuweh granted them what they 'voted' for, and they suffered for it, just as Scripture says.

Yahuweh permitted them to reject Himself, to reject His rulership over them, as He told the prophet and as is written in Scripture,
yes, He permits His people today to perish "for lack of knowledge"....

But why ?

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Not helpful.

Used by God, yes, just like Egypt and Persia and so forth, but not helpful, and not to be trusted.

Remember when the Israelties chose by popularity (i.e. 'voting') for something?
They wanted meat, like they had had in Egypt when they were in bondage, slaves.

They wanted a king, like other nations.

And Yahuweh granted them what they 'voted' for, and they suffered for it, just as Scripture says.

Yahuweh permitted them to reject Himself, to reject His rulership over them, as He told the prophet and as is written in Scripture,
yes, He permits His people today to perish "for lack of knowledge"....

But why ?

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The problem with the Israelites that they had God (and the Judges that God chose) as their form of government and rejected it. God allowed them a king like the other nations, but warned them of the consequences. Even so, God worked with their choice and brought good out of it just like he does today, though most of us no longer have kings or anything resembling the governments of the Israelites.

Even today, God is not demanding us to change our secular governments even while we live within them, and we can work with those governments just like Daniel and Joseph did under the Babylonian and Egyptian kings.

I believe that it is required of Christians in the process of being conformed to Christ to use the tools we have available to love our neighbors as Christ loved us (John 13:34) and one of the tools we currently have available to do so is through our votes and the representatives we support (or refuse to support).

It appears to me to be only ongoing deception that anyhone's vote counts. This was publicly broadcast after the last two elections also - and is quite a revelation and a disparity from the fairly common belief that everyone's vote counts. In the elections I've paid attention to, it doesn't.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

It appears to me to be only ongoing deception that anyhone's vote counts. This was publicly broadcast after the last two elections also - and is quite a revelation and a disparity from the fairly common belief that everyone's vote counts. In the elections I've paid attention to, it doesn't.

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There is truth to what you say, but at the same time, it's like that saying (and I'm going to mangle it) that if you try, there is a chance to succeed at something, but there is a 0% chance to succeed if you don't bother to try.

bekkilyn said:

There is truth to what you say, but at the same time, it's like that saying (and I'm going to mangle it) that if you try, there is a chance to succeed at something, but there is a 0% chance to succeed if you don't bother to try.

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That's a good way to put it, if it was possible that trying mattered. (instead of trying turning out to be contributing to the deception instead of anything helpful , true or good)
No one should "try" to do something for which there is no good result.
Instead,
always do what the heavenly Father directs, every day. And Trust the heavenly Father to accomplish everything as He pleases, as He Says, as He shows all through Scripture. (HIS WAY, not man's way)

yeshuaslavejeff said:

That's a good way to put it, if it was possible that trying mattered. (instead of trying turning out to be contributing to the deception instead of anything helpful , true or good)
No one should "try" to do something for which there is no good result.
Instead,
always do what the heavenly Father directs, every day. And Trust the heavenly Father to accomplish everything as He pleases, as He Says, as He shows all through Scripture. (HIS WAY, not man's way)

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However, trying does matter. For example, if we are taking a class in school, God is typically not going to provide us with a 100 on an exam if we do not bother to study for or show up to take the exam. In all of the earthly things we do, trying matters, even as we continue to trust God that he will keep all of his promises. We are to do our best to live into God's Kingdom in the now as his ambassadors, even as we have hope for its fullness in the future. If we sit idle and do not do things to try and stand up for the poor and those in need, as one example, as God has indicated often in scripture for his people to do, then God may very well find others to work through. We cannot be like the Thessalonians who were so certain that Christ was coming back that very moment that they completely stopped living their day to day lives.