a question for christian gamers

jasonMalloy1999 said:

i dont feel bad playing it

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OK. You asked if I think it's OK to play, and I gave you my opinion.

I used to love playing Runescape, I got a high lvl account. I stopped playing it, because there's creatures in there called demons, and has divination skill, and other gods.

Just something you gotta discern for yourself.
Like is it even worth the risk?

I play new games now.

I play Skyrim, it's one of my favourite games. There are some quests I avoid, but for the most part I have no issues with it. I mostly just travel around, help people out, do some of the major quests. I modded out some things.

If you feel like that or anything is a stumbling block to you, don't play/use/watch/read it.

Skyrim much like Oblivion are fantasy games that involve alot of mythical and magical stuff. While you don't have to use magic yourself, it will make the game harder without it. Magic aside there are things like undead creatures including skeletons...etc. Whether or not the game is bad for you depends on how you feel.

If you are feeling like you shouldn't play it then best trust that feeling because it could be the Holy Spirit telling you not to. There are some games that use magic that I won't play. More so when it involves pentagrams, the devil...etc. Such as the Doom series. You may be the "good guy" in doom but it just feels to close to the devil for me.

Theres a line between fantasy magic and magic that essentially uses hell/devil at its core. Now are games in general good for christians? Some would say all games are a sin. But I believe some games have a grey area or are fine. Such as Age Of Empires 2 that just came out (well the Definitive Edition). It's based on real world nations that basically fight each other for various things like land, resources...etc. It's more of a historical game.

I'd also add that when it comes to gaming, think about how you are after such games. Do you see yourself thinking of using "powers". Do you think about killing "targets"...etc. If so then maybe gaming isn't for you. Best example I can give is that I used to be fine with movies/tv/games with tons of swearing. Until much later I realized how much I learned to swear. I never even realized swearing had essentially caused me to start swearing as if it was no big deal.

Now I try to avoid swearing in things so it doesn't tempt me to do it agian.

I love Skyrim, but I love a lot of RPG's, in fact that's why I haven't been on here a lot right now, I just got a PS4 and have been playing the heck out of Skyrim right now...

As far as the civil war in the game, it's a very, very difficult decision if you choose to play that questline, and with which side you choose, they clearly tried to make this Talos, Tiber Septim character a likeness of Christ in our world, but it wouldn't be such a hard decision if it weren't for some major differences though, this Tiber Septim/Talos character never claimed to be God or a god for one thing, and there are other differences as well, that if it was supposed to be like Jesus in this life, should tip those scales drastically in a "certain direction", IMO...

But as for the game, that part is maybe one of the hardest decisions in the game, (the civil war quests) and I still haven't chose a side in it yet...

You don't have to rely on magic and be a mage either, my character is a warrior mainly, but I also don't think there would be anything wrong with it if you did either...

There are a lot of difficult, controversial decisions in the game, and that's part of the reason I like it so much, and I like the storyline a lot also...

But it's no different than reading a science fiction of fantasy novel, or watching a show or movie involving such either, it's not "real" IOW's, and if you start thinking it can be kind of real, or can be like real life or is real like real life, is where and when it can become a problem I think, but it's not, etc...

Sure they try to make it, and the situations in them, like real life, but in the end it's not real life, and as long as you know the difference, I don't think there is anything wrong with any of it, only when those lines can become blurred is when and where it can become a problem, etc...

Gonna go back to playing it right now. I just built my first house and completely finished it, and with a certain combination of skills I chose, my character is leveling up like crazy, and becoming very powerful right now, and I love building up my characters in RPG's to the max if I can, and I've almost got my character in Skyrim there, with a combination of alchemy, speech, smithing and enchanting Skills, I basically got unlimited gold or stuff to trade, and almost got each of them, or those skills up to 100, with most of the perks, at which point my equipment and my characters strength and power as a warrior will be at the max, then I'm going to finish some quests and do a lot more questing, instead of just building up my character, and my gold, etc...

Still don't know how I'm going to choose in some of those quests right now though yet...? like I said they did make that part challenging and on purpose they did that, part of the fun of it for me...

But it's not "real", etc...

God Bless!

I plan on picking up Dragon Quest 11 next month... I always loved the Dragon Quest/Dragon Warrior games/series, I even have some of the classics on my phone and still play those sometimes still, (NES, and Super NES) reminds me of my childhood or when I was a kid...

I used to read novels and novel series involving this kind of stuff (fantasy novels) when I was a kid too...

And I have the old Finals Fantasy's series on my phone too, did you know they are remaking Final Fantasy 7 and releasing it soon, definitely gonna get and play that one, it was my favorites on the old PS1...

God Bless!

I don't really watch a lot of TV nowadays, I think a lot of it is crap now, so when I need to take a break, I play games instead, and listen to music...

Oh, and I'm not a big sports guy and never have been either, and I'm not into politics or the news either, so...

So I play games and listen to music mainly, when I need to take a break from "other activities", etc...

God Bless!

jasonMalloy1999 said:

who ever reads thank you godbless and cant wait to see you with our lord. my question is about a game called skyrim so its in medievil ages and its about a hero called the dragonborn who slays a ancient dragan that want to destroy the world of nirn and this ancient dragon ressurets all the other dead dragons and we can kill them forever once we kill them we take the dragon souls and it stops them from returning but theres good dragons that aid the player and also theres mages vampires fake gods in the game theres nine and but human are at war with high elves as they think one of the gods arent devine because he was a human and was so good a defending people the eight devines came to him and asked him to be the ninth and the elves dont agree with it so they go to war with the humans and they surrender to a treaty to not allow worship of this ninth devine and then a rebelion breaks out and sjyrims at war for the worship of the ninth devine and theres a dlc where you can kill or become a vampire i kill the vampires as im the protector of the people. now i love the game as its medievil and the world in those times are soo cool. do you thinks its ok to play as i dont feel conflict to play it

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I don't know your game since I only play one game, Lord of the Rings Online. But I do know the wiles of the enemy. When you speak of "good dragons" and "bad dragons" it is the same as "good witches" vs "bad witches". There is no such thing. Dragons are always symbols of demons, and there are no good demons. These kinds of conflicts are called "controlled oppositions" and are intended to make you believe that there is a real conflict between the two. In the real world, the Satanists that control all our governments create controlled opposition so the illusion of choice exists, but the controlled opposition is meant to give just enough truth to get people to believe, but still veer away from the real truth of who is calling the shots.

Such games, movies, TV shows are all narratives that diffuses critical thinking. So, my point is this. If you see past the illusion and realize what is actually going on, but can still enjoy the game, then play it. Otherwise a mental barrier is being built in your mind by the game from seeing the truth in real life.

jasonMalloy1999 said:

do you thinks its ok to play as i dont feel conflict to play it

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Philippians 4:8
8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

Psalm 101:3
I will set no wicked thing before mine eyes: I hate the work of them who fall away; it shall not cling to me.

What you feel has nothing whatever to do with whether or not a thing is wrong.

AlexDTX said:

I don't know your game since I only play one game, Lord of the Rings Online. But I do know the wiles of the enemy. When you speak of "good dragons" and "bad dragons" it is the same as "good witches" vs "bad witches". There is no such thing. Dragons are always symbols of demons, and there are no good demons. These kinds of conflicts are called "controlled oppositions" and are intended to make you believe that there is a real conflict between the two. In the real world, the Satanists that control all our governments create controlled opposition so the illusion of choice exists, but the controlled opposition is meant to give just enough truth to get people to believe, but still veer away from the real truth of who is calling the shots.

Such games, movies, TV shows are all narratives that diffuses critical thinking. So, my point is this. If you see past the illusion and realize what is actually going on, but can still enjoy the game, then play it. Otherwise a mental barrier is being built in your mind by the game from seeing the truth in real life.

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There is only one "good dragon" in the game, and the rest of them are bad, and you kill them, and you have the option at a certain point in the game to fight and kill the supposed "good one" as well, and that is another one of the major controversial decisions in the game as well... You fight and kill the chief evil one at the end... It has a really cool storyline and setting, I like how you and the dragons use "shouts" or words of power, and how it says a battle between dragons is actually a deadly verbal debate, etc... There is a whole other culture and great awesome storyline to the game, it's a very cool game...

The dragons are kind of representative of spirits, kind of, but as I said, it's not "real" either, so they are not really representative of anything, and as long as you can make that distinction, I think your fine, and it's no different than your LOR's game, or watching those movies or reading those books (LOR is a favorite of mine as well) LOR involves magic, and many other things that might be considered evil or demonic by some or many as well, but I don't think they are if you know the difference between reality and/or fantasy or entertainment that is just purely fantasy or entertainment, etc...

God Bless!

aiki said:

Philippians 4:8
8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

Psalm 101:3
I will set no wicked thing before mine eyes: I hate the work of them who fall away; it shall not cling to me.

What you feel has nothing whatever to do with whether or not a thing is wrong.

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Are you saying it is wrong...?

If so, where do you personally "draw the lines" in life...?

And are you perfect in it always and all the time...?

I may like one thing, but not another, and you may like a thing or some things I don't like (or don't agree with personally), or you may not like what I like... or not like what I choose for entertaining or entertainment purposes, and I may not like nor agree with what you like or don't like for entertaining or entertainment purposes, and who's right and who's wrong...?

Can you tell me or answer that...?

God Bless!

There's a tabletop game company called Palladium Books that puts a notice right in front of the book that says the magic and all of the other stuff is fiction, just like in movies. I don't like electronic games, especially where there's a lot of graphic killing.

And swearing. That's a big one. The secular media loves it but the Bible tells us to control our tongues.

Mattin91 said:

There's a tabletop game company called Palladium Books that puts a notice right in front of the book that says the magic and all of the other stuff is fiction, just like in movies. I don't like electronic games, especially where there's a lot of graphic killing.

And swearing. That's a big one. The secular media loves it but the Bible tells us to control our tongues.

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Yes, if you notice before almost every single movie you watch, their is always a disclaimer for those who would get or might get things "confused", like "these views do not express the views of such and such companies or corporations", etc, etc, etc, "any relation to real life is purely coincidental", etc, etc, etc...

And it is for the people who would or might get that confused, etc...

So, if you don't, I think it's fine for you...

I don't like a lot of crude, lude, and/or sexual humor, sex, or sexual innuendos, etc, bothers me, etc...

God Bless!

I also like and play "Spyro", it's one of my favorite fun games to play, but you are a dragon in it, and all dragons are good dragons in it, is it "evil"...?

God Bless!

Neogaia777 said:

Are you saying it is wrong...?

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How does playing Skyrim square with Philippians 4:8 and Psalms 101:3? These verses come from God's word, not from me.

Neogaia777 said:

If so, where do you personally "draw the lines" in life...?

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Where do I draw what lines, exactly? Moral lines? God's word very clearly establishes where my moral lines ought to be drawn. But, you know, I don't have to worry about crossing any of them - or even finding out where they are - if my life is aimed at deeper and deeper fellowship with God. When my life is occupied with Him, with knowing, loving and glorifying Him, I don't live my life asking how far I can move from Him before I cross into sin.

Neogaia777 said:

And are you perfect in it always and all the time...?

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God's standard for you and me isn't my life; His standard is Christ. He's the example you ought to follow. More and more, though, my life is lived in accord with Philippians 4:8 and Psalms 101:3. I used to enjoy fantasy novels a great deal. But these days I find I begin a novel and have to stop reading because it is so violent, or perverse, or demonic. Same thing with movies. I was a huge movie buff. But, again, as God takes me deeper with Him, there are fewer and fewer movies I watch - especially new ones. I also like to play video games which is why I don't play them. They are enormous time-wasters, powerfully addictive distractions from a whole host of much better things I could be doing, chief among them being fellowship with God. And so many of them are full of violence, demons, and evil philosophies! Totally opposite the life of peace, gentleness, love and holiness I am called to as a child of God. Giving up these things, then, is necessary to going deep with God and I want to do that far more than I want to do these things. How about you?

Hebrews 12:14
14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

James 4:4
4 ...know you not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

1 John 2:15
15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

2 Corinthians 7:1
7 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

Ephesians 4:24
24 ...put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

Ephesians 5:8-11
8 For you were sometimes darkness, but now are you light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth
10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

Neogaia777 said:

I may like one thing, but not another, and you may like a thing or some things I don't like (or don't agree with personally), or you may not like what I like... or not like what I choose for entertaining or entertainment purposes, and I may not like nor agree with what you like or don't like for entertaining or entertainment purposes, and who's right and who's wrong...?

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God is. See above.

Neogaia777 said:

There is only one "good dragon" in the game,

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You really missed my point. The good or bad in the game is not the point. The point is the mind conditioning the game creates as we view the world. There are no good dragons, that is, demons. They are all evil. New Age fools think that the spirit guides are good because they already believe that good spirits will contact them thru channeling. Good spirits, that is, holy angels do not contact anyone through channeling and they serve one purpose: to direct people to Jesus Christ.

I think some Christians are confused by what they see and read. Some don't know where to draw lines regarding morality because the secular world is giving them very limited choices. And for Christians at least, it's not "What might be good for you might be bad for me." That's called moral relativism. We should not play with the truth like that.

So, I urge you my brothers and sisters (and myself):

Avoid sexual immorality.

It is not OK to stare at women. Notice them? Yes, of course. But do not think it's OK to look at inappropriate content.

Do not use profanity. Do not cuss and swear. Control your tongue. It was a problem in Biblical times:

James 3:10

New International Version
Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers and sisters, this should not be.

AlexDTX said:

You really missed my point. The good or bad in the game is not the point. The point is the mind conditioning the game creates as we view the world. There are no good dragons, that is, demons. They are all evil. New Age fools think that the spirit guides are good because they already believe that good spirits will contact them thru channeling. Good spirits, that is, holy angels do not contact anyone through channeling and they serve one purpose: to direct people to Jesus Christ.

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I think it is appropriate to say that some people think religion is foolish but the New Age isn't. How is that possible?

Crystals have no power to do anything.

Sending someone your 'positive energy' does nothing.

Channeling is a method to contact someone or be a conduit for some disembodied someone. Those unidentified, or renamed someones, are demonic beings who want to be a part of your life. Jesus cast out demons. Please don't forget that.

AlexDTX said:

You really missed my point. The good or bad in the game is not the point. The point is the mind conditioning the game creates as we view the world. There are no good dragons, that is, demons. They are all evil. New Age fools think that the spirit guides are good because they already believe that good spirits will contact them thru channeling. Good spirits, that is, holy angels do not contact anyone through channeling and they serve one purpose: to direct people to Jesus Christ.

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Spyro's evil, OK, got it...

I really don't think you know anything about games or gaming...

And the fact that they are called "games" seems to be a point you completely miss...

There are much, much more worse, and far more evil things I could be engaged in or be doing with my time, and a lot of it is mainstream TV media, if you ask me...

God Bless!