Poll: Majority of Voters Believe Media Working With Democrats to Try to Impeach Trump

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I don't think there is any "official" litmus test for polling accuracy, but generally the most accurate polls follow certain practices to ensure they get it right.

Firstly, numbers. The more people you poll, the greater your sample size of the population. Which, short of polling everyone in the country, gives you the best indication of the national mood. Usually good polls will have at least 1000 people.

Then you have randomization. To ensure there isn't any bias from the pollsters, they aren't supposed to focus on any particular group to the exclusion of others. To the best of their ability the pollster needs to asks anyone and everyone to be polled. Obvious caveat applies when you're polling a specific group, obviously. You can exclude Ohioans when you're polling voters in Michigan.

The questions on the poll, and the answers allowed are also important. Leading or loaded questions, not accepting certain answers, and other subtle means of pushing the result you want can skew the poll since the people are being railroaded onto a certain path.

Then there's weighing the results. This part is a bit tricky because it involves giving some poll takers a greater percentage in the end result based on certain categories and demographics. This is because despite being randomized, the fact is that not everyone actually responds to polls, with some demographics being more likely to respond which gives a skewed perception even if you did your best to ask everyone fairly. So pollsters often give more weight to certain groups to better reflect the population that was being polled.
 
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Now, it's been ~25 years since I've written a political survey question (final year of undergrad), but I suspect my professors would have excoriated me for writing a leading question like this:

“When they write or talk about the impeachment effort, are most reporters trying to help impeach President Trump or block his impeachment? Or are most reporters simply interested in reporting the news in an unbiased manner?”

Unfortunately, breaking this down properly would take more time than I have at the moment, but I challenge any others on the forum with experience in political polling or surveying to break down just how many things are wrong with this question. I can immediately identify two leading statements, one us/them statement and one statement of implicit bias. I'm sure there are more.

The old saw in polling it true - getting the answers you want is just a matter of asking the right type of question.

I don't think those are necessarily bad questions.

More importantly....why is the response here to attack the poll? Is it so unbelievable that the press would try to push the idea that Trump committed a crime?
 
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In an interesting twist, Politico's most recent poll today shows that Trump's favorability is higher than Democrats or Republicans: https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000016e-80c0-d93d-ad6f-8ef254ad0000

POLx_5 Favorability for Donald Trump
Total Favorable 814 41%
Total Unfavorable 1088 55%
Heard Of, No Opinion 78 4%
Never Heard Of 14 1%

POLx_6 Favorability for Republicans in Congress
Total Favorable 694 35%
Total Unfavorable 1028 52%
Heard Of, No Opinion 192 10%
Never Heard Of 81 4%

POLx_7 Favorability for Democrats in Congress
Total Favorable 783 39%
Total Unfavorable 973 49%
Heard Of, No Opinion 165 8%
Never Heard Of 73 4%
 
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I don't think those are necessarily bad questions

I do. They're close to the antithesis of what a good polling question should be: short, clear, impartial, without implicit or explicit bias or judgement.

.More importantly....why is the response here to attack the poll? Is it so unbelievable that the press would try to push the idea that Trump committed a crime?

Normally I wouldn't. However, I read the article in the opening post and the question was so egregious that it bore comment. In this case to highlight how terribly worded it was.
 
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I do. They're close to the antithesis of what a good polling question should be: short, clear, impartial, without implicit or explicit bias or judgement.

They're questions about bias.


Normally I wouldn't. However, I read the article in the opening post and the question was so egregious that it bore comment. In this case to highlight how terribly worded it was.

Highlight?

I've seen posters complaining that it's terribly worded. I don't see anyone explaining what's wrong with it.
 
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In no particular order:

Starts with an us/them adversarial relationship ("they")
Help/block impeachment false dichotomy in first question
Combines two questions for one response (a big no-no in polling generally)
Leading first question
Leading second question
Implicit bias in second question (established by first question, that reporters are not actually unbiased)
Sloppy language in both questions ("most reporters" "simply interested")
 
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In no particular order:

Starts with an us/them adversarial relationship ("they")

"They" isn't adversarial...it's good grammar.

Help/block impeachment false dichotomy in first question

The survey has to be specific to the bias it's asking about....so people don't confuse it with a generalized bias.


Combines two questions for one response (a big no-no in polling generally)

Except you know, it doesn't...if you actually link to the poll, it's rather clear that these were not only one response.

Leading first question
Leading second question
Implicit bias in second question (established by first question, that reporters are not actually unbiased)

Lol it can't be both the first an second questions...but regardless, it's asking about bias. One of the two questions has to be asked first. If it started with "Is the media unbiased"?....that's leading as well.


Sloppy language in both questions ("most reporters" "simply interested")

How would you have worded it?
 
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No one goes into journalism to make a fortune. For the most part, they are the most underpaid professionals in the country.

Even television anchors in smaller markets often leave the field for another profession because they can't support themselves on their salaries.

They go into the field of journalism, for the most part, because they are idealists. They want to make the world a better place, and they play their part by educating the populace.

There is a reason why journalists "seem" to be favoring the House Impeachment Committee. The reason is that Trump is guilty of what he is being accused of--as well as a huge laundry list of offenses that increases every day, tweet by tweet, insult by insult, emolument by emolument, obstruction by obstruction. "News" articles will be written objectively. Commentators will interject their opinions.

I believe that at least 90-95% of newspapers endorsed Trump's opponent in 2016. The reason is that he was incapable of leading our nation. Now, three years later, Congress is finally doing something about it. One of the things I am most grateful for in the month of Thanksgiving.
 
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No one goes into journalism to make a fortune. For the most part, they are the most underpaid professionals in the country.

Even television anchors in smaller markets often leave the field for another profession because they can't support themselves on their salaries.

They go into the field of journalism, for the most part, because they are idealists. They want to make the world a better place, and they play their part by educating the populace.

There is a reason why journalists "seem" to be favoring the House Impeachment Committee. The reason is that Trump is guilty of what he is being accused of--as well as a huge laundry list of offenses that increases every day, tweet by tweet, insult by insult, emolument by emolument, obstruction by obstruction. "News" articles will be written objectively. Commentators will interject their opinions.

I believe that at least 90-95% of newspapers endorsed Trump's opponent in 2016. The reason is that he was incapable of leading our nation. Now, three years later, Congress is finally doing something about it. One of the things I am most grateful for in the month of Thanksgiving.
In point of fact many, perhaps most, people go into journalism for the same reason people go into acting - seeking fame and fortune. The fact that few people working in either endeavor achieve either fame or fortune doesn't change the fact that the enticements led them there initially.

Our TV screens are full of narcissistic ego-maniacal bloviators who seem to have little regard for truth and objectivity. They may fashion themselves as self-appointed denizens of social justice but in reality they are little more than emotional outbursts looking for an opportunity to explode, lacking either the wisdom or emotional maturity to understand the world around them, much less pass judgement on events of the day.

Edit: Here's an interesting article about today's so-called journalists:
New study finds journalists score far lower in moral reasoning than they did 13 years ago
 
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In point of fact many, perhaps most, people go into journalism for the same reason people go into acting - seeking fame and fortune. The fact that few people working in either endeavor achieve either fame or fortune doesn't change the fact that the enticements led them there initially.

Our TV screens are full of narcissistic ego-maniacal bloviators who seem to have little regard for truth and objectivity. They may fashion themselves as self-appointed denizens of social justice but in reality they are little more than emotional outbursts looking for an opportunity to explode, lacking either the wisdom or emotional maturity to understand the world around them, much less pass judgement on events of the day.

Edit: Here's an interesting article about today's so-called journalists:
New study finds journalists score far lower in moral reasoning than they did 13 years ago

Two key points here, stated from your link: 1) "The results show journalists are still above average in terms of moral development" and 2) "It’s an experiment with only a relatively small amount of participants, all who self identify as digital journalists — so this could be different with a wider swath of journalists."

So, basically, journalists still have higher morals that most other professions -- at least per the linked survey. It does not support your claims that they are "narcissistic ego-maniacal bloviators," much less that they are seeking "fame and fortune."
 
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