2020 to 2030 is predicted to be a time of Awakening by God.

yeshuaslavejeff · Nov 17, 2019

DennisTate said:
I could be wrong..

Yes, as many have shown over and over again.
More importantly though, for contradicting or opposing Scripture,
as others have revealed this in posts many times.

dqhall · Nov 17, 2019

Redwingfan9 said:
What is any of that evidence of as it pertains to the Christian faith?

The parable of the talents.

Redwingfan9 · Nov 17, 2019

dqhall said:
The parable of the talents.

While I would agree the concept of good stewardship applies, modern financial markets aren't discussed at all in scripture. In fact, there is nothing in scripture about modern society or America.

Norbert L · Nov 17, 2019

DennisTate said:
can describe the methods used to revive them with extreme accuracy

And when a sign is placed next to them without their knowledge all that accuracy goes down to zero. Still a bad argument.

HardHead · Nov 17, 2019

DennisTate said:
but now I know that I misunderstood them and was too pessimistic

I'm not sure what you mean by this.

To me all prophesy in scripture is very positive and uplifting in every way possible. All of it.

Some of these prophetic scriptures may sound dark and gloomy but they certainly are not. They are in reality about hope. They offer hope for the followers of Christ our God, and predict a bright and good future for those who are on the correct path. There is no reason to be fearful or pessimistic at all.

I can safely say this because of Romans 8:31-39, and Ephesians 6:10-20. It is because of this that I personally don't worry about prophesy too much nor do I look to see if certain things are coming true today or not.

I focus on God, and what He said to us in the bible about living life. Remember Matthew 7:15-20, and Matthew 24:3-14? The words of Christ in the scriptures should be your guide. If you trust in Him you have no need to be pessimistic or to worry.

I don't think there is anything in the entire bible, not one letter or punctuation mark that will hurt any Christian. Be glad that you can read the good news and the prophets in the bible during your life. The dead cannot do this, and life is short. Reading these things is a privilege as is receiving the grace to be able to understand what you read.

Believe the gospel, repent, pray for forgiveness and salvation, and behave like you mean it regarding these things. There is nothing else to worry about, prophesy included.

dqhall · Nov 17, 2019

Redwingfan9 said:
While I would agree the concept of good stewardship applies, modern financial markets aren't discussed at all in scripture. In fact, there is nothing in scripture about modern society or America.

If you are into Iron Age Ancient Near Eastern History, Israel and Canaan you might find someone who knows the Books of 1 Kings and 2 Kings were about Iron Age Israel and Judah until the Babylonian exile. Many studies do not look at the history and archaeology of that era.

God and Jesus are at work in modern life. I was responding to a post by someone who was interested in forecasting economics. Could prophesy ever happen in 2019 and would God ever assist someone in business? Did Peter have to manage a fishing business. Did Matthew ever bid on a Roman tax collection contract?

HardHead · Nov 17, 2019

dqhall said:
forecasting economics

These things you mention are not modern markets, nor was capitalism as such present in those days, but your point is made.

DennisTate · Nov 17, 2019

HardHead said:
I'm not sure what you mean by this.

To me all prophesy in scripture is very positive and uplifting in every way possible. All of it.

Some of these prophetic scriptures may sound dark and gloomy but they certainly are not. They are in reality about hope. They offer hope for the followers of Christ our God, and predict a bright and good future for those who are on the correct path. There is no reason to be fearful or pessimistic at all.

I can safely say this because of Romans 8:31-39, and Ephesians 6:10-20. It is because of this that I personally don't worry about prophesy too much nor do I look to see if certain things are coming true today or not.

I focus on God, and what He said to us in the bible about living life. Remember Matthew 7:15-20, and Matthew 24:3-14? The words of Christ in the scriptures should be your guide. If you trust in Him you have no need to be pessimistic or to worry.

I don't think there is anything in the entire bible, not one letter or punctuation mark that will hurt any Christian. Be glad that you can read the good news and the prophets in the bible during your life. The dead cannot do this, and life is short. Reading these things is a privilege as is receiving the grace to be able to understand what you read.

Believe the gospel, repent, pray for forgiveness and salvation, and behave like you mean it regarding these things. There is nothing else to worry about, prophesy included.

After I left the Worldwide Church of God in 1991 I was greatly inspired and
encouraged by the sermons of Ronald L. Dart of Christian Educational Ministries or Born to Win.

I first heard the following sermon that is quite far down this page with the title "Your Hostility Quotient" that may help to explain what I mean?

Ron's Audio Page — Ronald L Dart Evangelistic Association
Your Hostility Quotient

Redwingfan9 · Nov 18, 2019

dqhall said:
If you are into Iron Age Ancient Near Eastern History, Israel and Canaan you might find someone who knows the Books of 1 Kings and 2 Kings were about Iron Age Israel and Judah until the Babylonian exile. Many studies do not look at the history and archaeology of that era.

God and Jesus are at work in modern life. I was responding to a post by someone who was interested in forecasting economics. Could prophesy ever happen in 2019 and would God ever assist someone in business? Did Peter have to manage a fishing business. Did Matthew ever bid on a Roman tax collection contract?

I don't deny that God is active in modern economic life. What I deny is that he's giving us new prophecies and that he has spoken specifically about the current age in scripture.

Blade · Nov 19, 2019

I've heard and listen to Hank Kunneman before. I know personally prophecies can take years to come true. Can't say anything based on videos. He loves the lord. I judged a man back in like 2008. He said things all the way up to 2017+. I knew he was wrong lol. He talked about what would happen in cities and like come 2017.. for America would be exactly as it is now. I was so wrong about him. That man was spot on. He went home now. I thought it was a joke since I thought Jesus would surly come before that. Seems GOD is not listening to me lol

So.. I look to see the one speaking if they walk in a office that has this right to speak about future things. And if it lines up with the word and God ALWAYS confirms His word. If I wonder disagree I just put what they said aside and keep going. We forget we will answer for every word we speak. So I try to speak words of life and positive. I would just say...TRY not to have an exception of how some person should be speaking living dressing

For GOD does not. Seems GOD is using ANYONE that will just say "HERE I AM USE ME"

Thanks for this! Love it

Side note.. so speak words that are life. Speak about your self as the WORD says YOU ARE!

DennisTate · Nov 19, 2019

Blade said:
I've heard and listen to Hank Kunneman before. I know personally prophecies can take years to come true. Can't say anything based on videos. He loves the lord. I judged a man back in like 2008. He said things all the way up to 2017+. I knew he was wrong lol. He talked about what would happen in cities and like come 2017.. for America would be exactly as it is now. I was so wrong about him. That man was spot on. He went home now. I thought it was a joke since I thought Jesus would surly come before that. Seems GOD is not listening to me lol

So.. I look to see the one speaking if they walk in a office that has this right to speak about future things. And if it lines up with the word and God ALWAYS confirms His word. If I wonder disagree I just put what they said aside and keep going. We forget we will answer for every word we speak. So I try to speak words of life and positive. I would just say...TRY not to have an exception of how some person should be speaking living dressing For GOD does not. Seems GOD is using ANYONE that will just say "HERE I AM USE ME"

Thanks for this! Love it

Side note.. so speak words that are life. Speak about your self as the WORD says YOU ARE!

I really like the approach that you have decided on after your experiences.

One of the most unusual books that I read was "Clay and Iron" by William Deagle M. D. back in 1999. I think it had only been published in 1998 or so.

It gave a prediction for 2008 but he was clear that whether or not what he was shown would happen....... was based on whether or not the Bride of Messiah in America would deeply repent, pray about the whole thing, and make some positive changes.

Many of the prophecies in Leviticus, Deuteronomy, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel and the minor prophets are like that...... CONDITIONAL upon the behavior of the people that they were given to.

Even the prophecy of Jonah was fulfilled forty years later..... as opposed to forty days later.... and one year for one day is a common feature of Bible prophecy.

What Dr. William Deagle was shown could have happened in America.... largely did happen to Christians throughout the Middle East. Our repentance was partial and changed the outcome in the USA.... but if we had repented even more deeply.... we might even have been able to save thousands or even tens of thousands of more Christians in other nations as well.

The conditional nature of predictions is hinted at in I Kings 18 and 19 andyou can see my vote in this poll by the * :

Could the prophet Elijah have altered history if he had NOT........
... RAN AWAY from Queen Jezebel and her armies?

Could Elijah have altered history for the better?????
Edit

No.... Elijah was perfect like Messiah Yeshua - Jesus and never sinned!
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Yes.... if he had faced Queen Jezebel and done a II King 1 sort of thing!
1 vote(s)
20.0%
No
4 vote(s)
80.0%
Yes
0 vote(s)
0.0%
I sure hope that he does better this time around!
0 vote(s)
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DennisTate · Nov 19, 2019

I have got to see this video again in full soon........
Messiah Yeshua - Jesus somehow asked a pastor if he could borrow his church.... That is after the fifty seven minute mark in this video:

twin.spin · Nov 19, 2019

Here is a partial list of people who were so sure about the end was about to happen after reading the tea leaves of current events along with prophecies spoken of in the Bible:

About 30 ad ... <Acts 1:6> the disciples thought Jesus was going to re-establish the earthly kingdom rule

About 50 ad ... <1 Thessalonians 4> people thought they missed the second coming of Jesus (AKA "left behind")

About 66-70 ... Jewish ascetics saw the Jewish revolt against the Romans in 66-70 as the final end-time battle

About 90 ad ... Clement 1 predicted that the world end would occur at any moment.

About 100 ad ... the Montanist movement predicted that Jesus would return sometime during their lifetime and establish the New Jerusalem

About 365 ad ... Hilary of Poitiers, announced that the end would happen that year.

About 375 to 400 ad ... Martin of Tours, a student of Hilary, was convinced that the end would happen sometime before 400 AD.

About 500 AD ... The antipope Hippolytus, Christian academic Sextus Julius Africanus and Irenaeus had predicted Armageddon at about this year.

Apr 6, 793 ... Beatus of Liébana This Spanish monk prophesied the second coming of Christ and the end of the world that day to a crowd of people.

About 799-806 ... Gregory of Tours calculated the End occurring between 799 and 806.

800 ... Sextus Julius Africanus revised the date of Armangeddon to 800.

848 ... Thiota declared that the world would end this year

992-995 ... Good Friday coincided with the Feast of the Annunciation; this had long been believed to be the event that would bring forth the Antichrist, and thus the end-times, within 3 years.

Jan 1, 1000 Pope Sylvester II had predicted the end of the world on this date

1033 ... Some believed this to be the 1000th anniversary of the death and resurrection of Jesus, and his second coming was anticipated

1184 ... Various Christians foresaw the Antichrist coming in 1184.

1186 ... John of Toledo predicted the end of the world during 1186, based on the alignment of many planets.

1284 ...Pope Innocent III predicted that the world would end666 years after the rise of Islam.

1346-51 ... The black plague spreading across Europe was interpreted by many as the sign of the end of times

About 1364 ... Jean de Roquetaillade predicted the Antichrist was to come in 1366 and the Millennium would begin in 1368 or 1370.

1504 ... Sandro Botticelli believed he was living during the Tribulation, and that the Millennium would begin in three and a half years from 1500.

1555 ... Pierre d'Ailly this French theologian wrote that 6845 years of human history had already passed, and the end of the world would be in the 7000th year.
(fore father of the 70 weeks theory of Daniel)

1655 ... Fifth Monarchists predicted the final apocalyptic battle and the destruction of the Antichrist were to take place between 1655 and 1657.

1656 ... Some Christians believed the world would end this year as 1656 is the number of years between Creation and the Great Flood in the bible.

1666 ... The presence of 666 in the date led to predictions of the end of the world.

1688 ... John Napier This mathematician calculated the end of the world would be this year based on calculations from the Book of Revelation.
(Father of the modern day Millemiumist and JW's habit of changing of predictions )

1700 ... John Napier after his 1688 prediction failed to come true, Napier revised his end of the world prediction to this year.

1700–1734 ... Nicholas of Cusa this RC Cardinal predicted the end would occur between 1700 and 1734.

1780 ... New England residents when the sky turning dark during the day was interpreted as a sign of the end times.

1805 ... Rev Christopher Love (a presbyterian minister) predicted the destruction of the world by earthquake in 1805, followed by an age of everlasting peace when God will be known by all.

1836 ... John Wesley the founder of the Methodist Church, foresaw the Millennium beginning this year.

1863 ... John Wroe The founder of the Christian Israelite Church calculated that the Millennium would begin this year.

\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Bible Student movement aka JW's ////////////////////////////
1874 ... Charles Taze Russell " founder of the JW's ....The first prediction of the end of the world
1878 ... The second prediction of the end of the world from the Bible Student movement.
1881 ... The third prediction of the end of the world from the Bible Student movement.
1908 ... The fourth prediction of the end of the world from the Bible Student movement.
1914 ... "the battle of the great day of God Almighty… The date of the close of that "battle" is definitely marked in Scripture as October 1914. It is already in progress, its beginning dating from October, 1874."
1916 ... World War I would terminate in Armageddon and the rapture of the "saints".
1918 ... Another prediction of the end from the Bible Student movement.
1920 ... Christendom would go down as a system to oblivion and be succeeded by revolutionary governments. God would "destroy the churches wholesale and the church members by the millions......"

1925 ... Joseph F. Rutherford, …"we may expect 1925 to witness the return of these faithful men of Israel from the condition of death, being resurrected and fully restored to perfect humanity and made the visible, legal representatives of the new order of things on earth"

**1975 ... In 1966 Jehovah's Witnesses estimated it would be 6000 years since man's creation in the fall of 1975 and it would be "appropriate" for Christ's thousand-year reign to begin at that time. These claims were repeated throughout the late 1960s and in 1974 they reaffirmed there was just a short time remaining before "the wicked world's end".

**Oct 2, 1984 ... Another prediction of the end from the Jehovah's Witnesses.

\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Worldwide Church of God //////////////////////////
1936 ... Herbert W. Armstrong founder of the Worldwide Church of God told members of his church that the Rapture was to take place in 1936, and that only they would saved. After the prophecy failed, he changed the date three more times.
1943... The first of three revised dates from Armstrong after his 1936 prediction failed to come true.
1972... The second of three revised dates from Armstrong after his 1936 and 1943 predictions failed to come true.
Jan 11-21, 1973... Armstrong's fourth and final false prediction.

Dec 21, 1954... Dorothy Martin predicted the world was to be destroyed by terrible flooding on this date, claimed this leader of a UFO cult called Brotherhood of the Seven Rays. The fallout of the group after the prediction failed was the basis for the 1956 book When Prophecy Fails.

1967... Jim Jones The founder of the Peoples Temple stated he had visions that a nuclear holocaust was to take place in 1967.

\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Hal Lindsey //////////////////////////////////////
1980s... Lindsey book The 1980s: Countdown to Armageddon stated ""the decade of the 1980s could very well be the last decade of history as we know it" and that the U.S. could be "destroyed by a surprise Soviet nuclear attack.". The book strongly suggests that the 1980s would see the biblical events of tribulation and end times come to pass.
1988 ... Lindsey suggested that the Rapture would take this year, reasoning that it was 40 years (one Biblical generation) after Israel gained statehood.

Before' 2000
*Hal Lindsey... Lindsay published the book Planet Earth 2000 A.D. in 1994, which stated that Christians should not plan to still be on earth by the year 2000.

*James Gordon Lindsay ... predicted the tribulation would begin before the year 2000.

*Texe Marrs ... stated that the last days could "wrap up by the year 2000."

*Timothy Dwight IV ... President of Yale University foresaw the Millennium starting by 2000.

*Jehovah's Witnesses ... In 1971, and again in 1984, the Jehovah's Witnesses stated the end would be before the end of the 20th century

Jan 1, 2000
*Jerry Falwell ... foresaw God pouring out his judgement on the world on this day.

*Tim LaHaye, Jerry B. Jenkins ...These Christian authors stated the Y2K bug would trigger global economic chaos, which the Antichrist would use to rise to power. As the date approached however they changed their minds

2001 ... Tynetta Muhammad columnist for the Nation of Islam predicted the end would occur in this year.

Apr 29, 2007 ... Pat Robertson in his 1990 book The New Millennium, Robertson suggests this date as the day of Earth's destruction.

May 21, 2011 ...
* Harold Camping predicted that the rapture and devastating earthquakes would occur on May 21, 2011 with God taking approximately 3% of the world's population into Heaven, and that the end of the world would occur five months later on October 21.

Oct 21, 2011
* Harold Camping revised his prediction and said that on May 21, a "Spiritual Judgment" took place, and that both the physical Rapture and the end of the world would occur on October 21, 2011.

Sep 29, 2011
*Ronald Weinland stated Jesus Christ would return on this day. He prophesied nuclear explosions in U.S. port cities by July of 2008 as the blowing of the Second Trumpet of Revelation. He later changed the date for the return of Jesus Christ to May 27, 2012.

May 27, 2012
*Ronald Weinland stated Jesus Christ would return and the world would end on this day.

DennisTate · Nov 19, 2019

twin.spin said:
Here is a partial list of people who were so sure about the end was about to happen after reading the tea leaves of current events along with prophecies spoken of in the Bible:

About 30 ad ... <Acts 1:6> the disciples thought Jesus was going to re-establish the earthly kingdom rule

About 50 ad ... <1 Thessalonians 4> people thought they missed the second coming of Jesus (AKA "left behind")

About 66-70 ... Jewish ascetics saw the Jewish revolt against the Romans in 66-70 as the final end-time battle

About 90 ad ... Clement 1 predicted that the world end would occur at any moment.

About 100 ad ... the Montanist movement predicted that Jesus would return sometime during their lifetime and establish the New Jerusalem

About 365 ad ... Hilary of Poitiers, announced that the end would happen that year.

About 375 to 400 ad ... Martin of Tours, a student of Hilary, was convinced that the end would happen sometime before 400 AD.

About 500 AD ... The antipope Hippolytus, Christian academic Sextus Julius Africanus and Irenaeus had predicted Armageddon at about this year.

Apr 6, 793 ... Beatus of Liébana This Spanish monk prophesied the second coming of Christ and the end of the world that day to a crowd of people.

About 799-806 ... Gregory of Tours calculated the End occurring between 799 and 806.

800 ... Sextus Julius Africanus revised the date of Armangeddon to 800.

848 ... Thiota declared that the world would end this year

992-995 ... Good Friday coincided with the Feast of the Annunciation; this had long been believed to be the event that would bring forth the Antichrist, and thus the end-times, within 3 years.

Jan 1, 1000 Pope Sylvester II had predicted the end of the world on this date

1033 ... Some believed this to be the 1000th anniversary of the death and resurrection of Jesus, and his second coming was anticipated

1184 ... Various Christians foresaw the Antichrist coming in 1184.

1186 ... John of Toledo predicted the end of the world during 1186, based on the alignment of many planets.

1284 ...Pope Innocent III predicted that the world would end666 years after the rise of Islam.

1346-51 ... The black plague spreading across Europe was interpreted by many as the sign of the end of times

About 1364 ... Jean de Roquetaillade predicted the Antichrist was to come in 1366 and the Millennium would begin in 1368 or 1370.

1504 ... Sandro Botticelli believed he was living during the Tribulation, and that the Millennium would begin in three and a half years from 1500.

1555 ... Pierre d'Ailly this French theologian wrote that 6845 years of human history had already passed, and the end of the world would be in the 7000th year.
(fore father of the 70 weeks theory of Daniel)

1655 ... Fifth Monarchists predicted the final apocalyptic battle and the destruction of the Antichrist were to take place between 1655 and 1657.

1656 ... Some Christians believed the world would end this year as 1656 is the number of years between Creation and the Great Flood in the bible.

1666 ... The presence of 666 in the date led to predictions of the end of the world.

1688 ... John Napier This mathematician calculated the end of the world would be this year based on calculations from the Book of Revelation.
(Father of the modern day Millemiumist and JW's habit of changing of predictions )

1700 ... John Napier after his 1688 prediction failed to come true, Napier revised his end of the world prediction to this year.

1700–1734 ... Nicholas of Cusa this RC Cardinal predicted the end would occur between 1700 and 1734.

1780 ... New England residents when the sky turning dark during the day was interpreted as a sign of the end times.

1805 ... Rev Christopher Love (a presbyterian minister) predicted the destruction of the world by earthquake in 1805, followed by an age of everlasting peace when God will be known by all.

1836 ... John Wesley the founder of the Methodist Church, foresaw the Millennium beginning this year.

1863 ... John Wroe The founder of the Christian Israelite Church calculated that the Millennium would begin this year.

\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Bible Student movement aka JW's ////////////////////////////
1874 ... Charles Taze Russell " founder of the JW's ....The first prediction of the end of the world
1878 ... The second prediction of the end of the world from the Bible Student movement.
1881 ... The third prediction of the end of the world from the Bible Student movement.
1908 ... The fourth prediction of the end of the world from the Bible Student movement.
1914 ... "the battle of the great day of God Almighty… The date of the close of that "battle" is definitely marked in Scripture as October 1914. It is already in progress, its beginning dating from October, 1874."
1916 ... World War I would terminate in Armageddon and the rapture of the "saints".
1918 ... Another prediction of the end from the Bible Student movement.
1920 ... Christendom would go down as a system to oblivion and be succeeded by revolutionary governments. God would "destroy the churches wholesale and the church members by the millions......"

1925 ... Joseph F. Rutherford, …"we may expect 1925 to witness the return of these faithful men of Israel from the condition of death, being resurrected and fully restored to perfect humanity and made the visible, legal representatives of the new order of things on earth"

**1975 ... In 1966 Jehovah's Witnesses estimated it would be 6000 years since man's creation in the fall of 1975 and it would be "appropriate" for Christ's thousand-year reign to begin at that time. These claims were repeated throughout the late 1960s and in 1974 they reaffirmed there was just a short time remaining before "the wicked world's end".

**Oct 2, 1984 ... Another prediction of the end from the Jehovah's Witnesses.

\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Worldwide Church of God //////////////////////////
1936 ... Herbert W. Armstrong founder of the Worldwide Church of God told members of his church that the Rapture was to take place in 1936, and that only they would saved. After the prophecy failed, he changed the date three more times.
1943... The first of three revised dates from Armstrong after his 1936 prediction failed to come true.
1972... The second of three revised dates from Armstrong after his 1936 and 1943 predictions failed to come true.
Jan 11-21, 1973... Armstrong's fourth and final false prediction.

Dec 21, 1954... Dorothy Martin predicted the world was to be destroyed by terrible flooding on this date, claimed this leader of a UFO cult called Brotherhood of the Seven Rays. The fallout of the group after the prediction failed was the basis for the 1956 book When Prophecy Fails.

1967... Jim Jones The founder of the Peoples Temple stated he had visions that a nuclear holocaust was to take place in 1967.

\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Hal Lindsey //////////////////////////////////////
1980s... Lindsey book The 1980s: Countdown to Armageddon stated ""the decade of the 1980s could very well be the last decade of history as we know it" and that the U.S. could be "destroyed by a surprise Soviet nuclear attack.". The book strongly suggests that the 1980s would see the biblical events of tribulation and end times come to pass.
1988 ... Lindsey suggested that the Rapture would take this year, reasoning that it was 40 years (one Biblical generation) after Israel gained statehood.

Before' 2000
*Hal Lindsey... Lindsay published the book Planet Earth 2000 A.D. in 1994, which stated that Christians should not plan to still be on earth by the year 2000.

*James Gordon Lindsay ... predicted the tribulation would begin before the year 2000.

*Texe Marrs ... stated that the last days could "wrap up by the year 2000."

*Timothy Dwight IV ... President of Yale University foresaw the Millennium starting by 2000.

*Jehovah's Witnesses ... In 1971, and again in 1984, the Jehovah's Witnesses stated the end would be before the end of the 20th century

Jan 1, 2000
*Jerry Falwell ... foresaw God pouring out his judgement on the world on this day.

*Tim LaHaye, Jerry B. Jenkins ...These Christian authors stated the Y2K bug would trigger global economic chaos, which the Antichrist would use to rise to power. As the date approached however they changed their minds

2001 ... Tynetta Muhammad columnist for the Nation of Islam predicted the end would occur in this year.

Apr 29, 2007 ... Pat Robertson in his 1990 book The New Millennium, Robertson suggests this date as the day of Earth's destruction.

May 21, 2011 ...
* Harold Camping predicted that the rapture and devastating earthquakes would occur on May 21, 2011 with God taking approximately 3% of the world's population into Heaven, and that the end of the world would occur five months later on October 21.

Oct 21, 2011
* Harold Camping revised his prediction and said that on May 21, a "Spiritual Judgment" took place, and that both the physical Rapture and the end of the world would occur on October 21, 2011.

Sep 29, 2011
*Ronald Weinland stated Jesus Christ would return on this day. He prophesied nuclear explosions in U.S. port cities by July of 2008 as the blowing of the Second Trumpet of Revelation. He later changed the date for the return of Jesus Christ to May 27, 2012.

May 27, 2012
*Ronald Weinland stated Jesus Christ would return and the world would end on this day.

Is Messiah Yeshua - Jesus limited to only one fulfillment of Ezekiel 37 ?

In non linear time.... multiple Ezekiel 37 events each of those times can become times of Awakening and Revival.......

but it needs to happen in our future first.............

Multiverse Theory and multiple Ezekiel 37 type events.

Mat 10:15

Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

yeshuaslavejeff · Dec 8, 2019

DennisTate said:
I think that he is correct we too easily fall into fear.... I did this over and over and over again since the 1970's.... We saw the anti-Christ here and saw the anti-Christ over there..... and we tended to forget about the outpouring of the Holy Spirit!!!!!

and instead of God's Spirit, ended up with a false spirit.
This small compilation explains partly why the posts are so much in error, the wrong direction, for so long.

DennisTate said:
There isn't simply one and only one approach that Messiah takes with us.....
we are all so very, very different and many of us respond to a different type of
message.

Yes, this is true. A different type of message. A false message. Tickling the ears.

DennisTate said:
So you don't think that there is some validity to the statement that at this time
the Bride of Messiah is practically starving to death in comparison to what is theoretically possible when blessings are truly poured out?

NO.

DennisTate said:
But...... although I was kind of "busy" at this and that since the 1980's I've been shown
by my wife and her gifted friends that I need to take a whole new look at this verse.....

As Jesus says, even members of our own family may be our worse enemy.

DennisTate said:
But I do believe though that we are going into a time period when liars.... who try to lie within the church may come to realize that the days of the power level within the church exhibited to Ananias and Sapphira are coming again.......

Today liars are promoted, exalted, handsomely rewarded by followers, extolled as such 'great' teachers or even as prophets, and continuing to exalt them is bad.

DennisTate said:
Until the year 2000 I did not know that there were Christians who still got
amazingly accurate and powerful messages directly from Messiah Yeshua - Jesus.

Getting led astray by so many you listened to is not a good sign of , well, anything ! It shows you left the Bible behind, instead of keeping the Bible as your standard, choosing instead to trust men opposed to Jesus and opposed to Scripture.

For example you mentioned Murillo, who was long ago noted and exposed as a false teacher:

"The "Ten Most Wanted" False Teachers In
America

&

Other False Teachers

Here is a list of the "Ten Most Wanted" religious false
teachers in America today. These men and all the men and
women listed on this poster are wanted by all SPIRIT
controlled believers. When these false teachers and false
prophets are apprehended they will be tried in a spiritual
court of law (I Kor. 6.2), and when found guilty they will
be punished according to the Scriptures (Rom. 16.17; I
Tim. 3.5,6; 2 Tim. 2.25,26; Tit. 1.9-16; 3.10,11).

1. Chuck Smith

2. Oral Roberts

3. James Swaggart

4. Pat Robertson

5. Paul Crouch

6. Bill Graham

7. Hal Lindsey

8. Gerald Falwell

9. Benny Hinn

10. Jack Impe

Now that John Wimber has gone to his just punishment he can no longer be
listed among the Ten Most Wanted false teachers in America. He was ranked
number 6, but now takes his place among the most dangerous false teachers
of the 20th Century--along side Herbert W. Armstrong, Alice Bailey, Madame
Blavatsky, Mary Baker Eddy, Charles Taze Russell, Joseph Rutherford,
Nathan Knorr, Fred Franz, Kathryn Kuhlman, Amy Simple McPherson,
Maria Woodworth-Etter, Norman Vincent Peale, Bishop Sheen, Paul Tillich,
and Joe Tkach Sr.

Other dangerous false teachers who are leading millions of people astray are
all Calvary Chapel and Vineyard bishops (pastors). Here are some of the
most infamous of them.

Kenney Copeland, Kenny Hagin, Joe Aldrich, Garner Ted Armstrong, Joe
Tkach, Jon Arnot, John Avanzini, Ted Baehr, Jerry Barnard, Jonathan Bell,
Rodney Browne, Randy Clark, Ron Cohen, John Dawson, Ed Dobson,
Crefflo Dollar, Jesse Duplantis, Mike Farris, Jentezen Franklin, Joe
Garlington, W.V. Grant, John Hagee, Hank Hanegraaff, Ike, Jack Hayford,
T.D. Jakes, John Kilpatrick, Bob Larson, Billy Locklear, Paul Morton, Steve
Muncie, Mario Murillo, John Osteen, Luis Palau, Rod Parsley, Freddy Price,
Derek Prince, Yacov Rambsel, Richard Roberts, James Robison, Bobbie
Schuller, Don Stewart, Perry Stone, Lester Sumerall, Randall Terry, Casey
Treat, Ralph Wilkerson and Rich Wilkerson.

The following men propagate false doctrines concerning eschatology. Most
of the other doctrines they teach are Scriptural.

John Ankerberg, Dave Breese, Ray Brubaker, Harold Camping, John Hagee,
David Hocking, Grant Jeffrey, D.J. Kennedy, Tim LaHaye, Chuck Missler,
Gary North, R.J. Rushdoony, Charles Ryrie, Chuck Smith, Don Stewart,
Perry Stone and John Walvoord.

The following are into "Christian" psychology which is an abomination.
They mix Freudian psychobabble with Scripture to come up with total
nonsense.

James Dobson and Clyde Narramoore.

The following are into non-Biblical apologetics.

Greg Kokel.

The following are ecumenicalists.

Bill Bright and Ralph Woodrow.

All females teachers are false teachers for the Scriptures makes it explicitly
clear they are not to teach men (I Kor. 14.34,35; 2 Tim. 2.11,12).

Some of the worst false teachers are Marilyn Hickey, Betty Robinson,
Copeland's wife, Beverly LaHaye and Joyce Meyers.

Ten Most Wanted

Chuck Smith is the most dangerous so-called "believer" alive because he
revived the dead pentecostal movement and has trained hundreds of men to
propagate charismatic nonsense. The pentecostal/charismatic movement is a
cancer in Messianic Faith that is eating it away. It is also the leading
evidence
we are living in the apostasy of the last days of the last days (2 Thes.
2.3).

The emphasis on signs and wonders among these false believers is solid proof
they are not born from above. Smith and his disciples are false teachers who
have infiltrated Messianic Faith to subvert it. I seriously doubt Smith or any
of his disciples are born from above. The vast majority of people who have
been deceived by Smith and other charismatic preachers are not born again
and headed straight to hell. Smith, his disciples, and all charismatic
teachers
have the souls of millions of people on their hands and they will have much
to give account for at the Great White Throne Judgment.

Oral Roberts is the second most dangerous man because he launched the
careers of myriad false teachers through his school. He is the leading
pentecostal preacher in America, although his star has faded in the last
decade.

Jimmy Swaggart is dangerous because he has pumped out hundreds of
pentecostal preachers through his school and has deceived millions through
his television broadcasts. His influence was greatly diminished when he was
caught with prostitutes.

Pat Robertson is dangerous because of his network. He teaches the
charismatic false doctrines and has led millions astray into the charismatic
movement. He has been a leader in coercing believers into supporting a false
religion (Babylonian Talmudic Judaism), and a nation (Israel) that oppresses
a portion of its citizens (Palestinians).

Paul Crouch is also dangerous because of his network. He promotes
numerous false teachers and prophets such as Hal Lindsey. He has also been
a leader in coercing believers into supporting a false religion (Babylonian
Talmudic Judaism), and a nation (Israel) that oppresses a portion of its
citizens (Palestinians).

Franklin William Graham has spent 50 years working with false churches in
his crusades. The two million people who have allegedly made decisions for
the Lord at his crusades have been told to attend a local church of any kind,
including Roman Catholic Churches. The vast majority of his alleged
converts have not been born from above and are headed straight to hell. He
has done a great deal in furthering the ecumenical movement.

Hal Lindsey, the self-proclaimed father of the false prophecy movement,
popularized the false eschatology doctrines of most dispensationalists. His
books have influenced thousands of preachers, teachers and laymen leading
them astray in the subject of eschatology. Hal has also joined the
charismatic/pentecostal and ecumenical movements, and has been a leader in
coercing believers into supporting a false religion (Babylonian Talmudic
Judaism), and a nation (Israel) that oppresses a portion of its citizens
(Palestinians). Like most men who have acquired great wealth, prestige and
influence he has spent a good deal of time chasing women. His third wife and
church recently gave him the boot for his sexcapades.

Gerald Falwell has a network that isn't that large, but he has cloned hundreds
of junior Falwells with Liberty Baptist College. I attended LBC for one
torturous semester and saw first hand how bad that cesspool is. Gerald has
also been a leader in coercing believers into supporting a false religion
(Babylonian Talmudic Judaism), and a nation (Israel) that oppresses a
portion of its citizens (Palestinians).

Benny Hinn was a disciple of the infamous false teacher Kathryn Khulman
and has propagated the false doctrines she taught. He has adopted other false
teachings from Kenny Copeland and Ken Hagin who picked up the heretical
Mormon doctrine that all men can become a god. He also teaches the
heretical doctrine that YAHSHUA was born again in hell. He is a leading
"word faith" false apostle who is not born from above and headed straight to
hell!

Jack Impe not only pushes the false eschatology doctrines of John Walvoord
and Hal Lindsey, he is a leading ecumenical who praises John Paul II and the
Roman Catholic Church every chance he gets. He also jumped on the Hal
Lindsey false prophecy movement making numerous false prophecies
concerning the date of the Rapture. Like the rest of these false teachers Jack
supports a false religion (Babylonian Talmudic Judaism), and a nation
(Israel) that oppresses a portion of its citizens (Palestinians).

Timothy LaHaye also teaches the false eschatology doctrines that Lindsey has
popularized, but has been a major figure in subverting Messianic Faith
through the Council for National Policy which he founded in 1981. This
secret council consists of backslidden and apostate believers such as Pat
Robertson, Gary Bauer, John Ankerberg, Dave Breese, Bill Bright, Larry
Burkett, Jim Dobson, Mike Farris, Bob Jones III, D. J. Kennedy, Marlin
Maddoux, Gary North, R.J. Rushdoony and New World Order puppets like
Jack Kemp, Ed Meese III, Larry North, Richard Allen, Ed Atsinger III, Rich
DeVos, Jesse Helms, Reed Irvine, Trent Lott, Don McAlvany, Don Nickles,
Paul Pressler, John Sununu and Phyllis Schafley.

The success of these men and other false teachers within Messianic Faith is
irrefutable proof we are living in the last days (2 Tim. 4.3,4) of the last
hour (I
Yochanan-John 2.18)"

yeshuaslavejeff · Dec 8, 2019

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Here is a partial list of people who were so sure about the end was about to happen after reading the tea leaves of current events along with prophecies spoken of in the Bible:

About 30 ad ... <Acts 1:6> the disciples thought Jesus was going to re-establish the earthly kingdom rule

About 50 ad ... <1 Thessalonians 4> people thought they missed the second coming of Jesus (AKA "left behind")

About 66-70 ... Jewish ascetics saw the Jewish revolt against the Romans in 66-70 as the final end-time battle

About 90 ad ... Clement 1 predicted that the world end would occur at any moment.

About 100 ad ... the Montanist movement predicted that Jesus would return sometime during their lifetime and establish the New Jerusalem

About 365 ad ... Hilary of Poitiers, announced that the end would happen that year.

About 375 to 400 ad ... Martin of Tours, a student of Hilary, was convinced that the end would happen sometime before 400 AD.

About 500 AD ... The antipope Hippolytus, Christian academic Sextus Julius Africanus and Irenaeus had predicted Armageddon at about this year.

Apr 6, 793 ... Beatus of Liébana This Spanish monk prophesied the second coming of Christ and the end of the world that day to a crowd of people.

About 799-806 ... Gregory of Tours calculated the End occurring between 799 and 806.

800 ... Sextus Julius Africanus revised the date of Armangeddon to 800.

848 ... Thiota declared that the world would end this year

992-995 ... Good Friday coincided with the Feast of the Annunciation; this had long been believed to be the event that would bring forth the Antichrist, and thus the end-times, within 3 years.

Jan 1, 1000 Pope Sylvester II had predicted the end of the world on this date

1033 ... Some believed this to be the 1000th anniversary of the death and resurrection of Jesus, and his second coming was anticipated

1184 ... Various Christians foresaw the Antichrist coming in 1184.

1186 ... John of Toledo predicted the end of the world during 1186, based on the alignment of many planets.

1284 ...Pope Innocent III predicted that the world would end666 years after the rise of Islam.

1346-51 ... The black plague spreading across Europe was interpreted by many as the sign of the end of times

About 1364 ... Jean de Roquetaillade predicted the Antichrist was to come in 1366 and the Millennium would begin in 1368 or 1370.

1504 ... Sandro Botticelli believed he was living during the Tribulation, and that the Millennium would begin in three and a half years from 1500.

1555 ... Pierre d'Ailly this French theologian wrote that 6845 years of human history had already passed, and the end of the world would be in the 7000th year.
(fore father of the 70 weeks theory of Daniel)

1655 ... Fifth Monarchists predicted the final apocalyptic battle and the destruction of the Antichrist were to take place between 1655 and 1657.

1656 ... Some Christians believed the world would end this year as 1656 is the number of years between Creation and the Great Flood in the bible.

1666 ... The presence of 666 in the date led to predictions of the end of the world.

1688 ... John Napier This mathematician calculated the end of the world would be this year based on calculations from the Book of Revelation.
(Father of the modern day Millemiumist and JW's habit of changing of predictions )

1700 ... John Napier after his 1688 prediction failed to come true, Napier revised his end of the world prediction to this year.

1700–1734 ... Nicholas of Cusa this RC Cardinal predicted the end would occur between 1700 and 1734.

1780 ... New England residents when the sky turning dark during the day was interpreted as a sign of the end times.

1805 ... Rev Christopher Love (a presbyterian minister) predicted the destruction of the world by earthquake in 1805, followed by an age of everlasting peace when God will be known by all.

1836 ... John Wesley the founder of the Methodist Church, foresaw the Millennium beginning this year.

1863 ... John Wroe The founder of the Christian Israelite Church calculated that the Millennium would begin this year.

\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Bible Student movement aka JW's ////////////////////////////
1874 ... Charles Taze Russell " founder of the JW's ....The first prediction of the end of the world
1878 ... The second prediction of the end of the world from the Bible Student movement.
1881 ... The third prediction of the end of the world from the Bible Student movement.
1908 ... The fourth prediction of the end of the world from the Bible Student movement.
1914 ... "the battle of the great day of God Almighty… The date of the close of that "battle" is definitely marked in Scripture as October 1914. It is already in progress, its beginning dating from October, 1874."
1916 ... World War I would terminate in Armageddon and the rapture of the "saints".
1918 ... Another prediction of the end from the Bible Student movement.
1920 ... Christendom would go down as a system to oblivion and be succeeded by revolutionary governments. God would "destroy the churches wholesale and the church members by the millions......"

1925 ... Joseph F. Rutherford, …"we may expect 1925 to witness the return of these faithful men of Israel from the condition of death, being resurrected and fully restored to perfect humanity and made the visible, legal representatives of the new order of things on earth"

**1975 ... In 1966 Jehovah's Witnesses estimated it would be 6000 years since man's creation in the fall of 1975 and it would be "appropriate" for Christ's thousand-year reign to begin at that time. These claims were repeated throughout the late 1960s and in 1974 they reaffirmed there was just a short time remaining before "the wicked world's end".

**Oct 2, 1984 ... Another prediction of the end from the Jehovah's Witnesses.

\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Worldwide Church of God //////////////////////////
1936 ... Herbert W. Armstrong founder of the Worldwide Church of God told members of his church that the Rapture was to take place in 1936, and that only they would saved. After the prophecy failed, he changed the date three more times.
1943... The first of three revised dates from Armstrong after his 1936 prediction failed to come true.
1972... The second of three revised dates from Armstrong after his 1936 and 1943 predictions failed to come true.
Jan 11-21, 1973... Armstrong's fourth and final false prediction.

Dec 21, 1954... Dorothy Martin predicted the world was to be destroyed by terrible flooding on this date, claimed this leader of a UFO cult called Brotherhood of the Seven Rays. The fallout of the group after the prediction failed was the basis for the 1956 book When Prophecy Fails.

1967... Jim Jones The founder of the Peoples Temple stated he had visions that a nuclear holocaust was to take place in 1967.

\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Hal Lindsey //////////////////////////////////////
1980s... Lindsey book The 1980s: Countdown to Armageddon stated ""the decade of the 1980s could very well be the last decade of history as we know it" and that the U.S. could be "destroyed by a surprise Soviet nuclear attack.". The book strongly suggests that the 1980s would see the biblical events of tribulation and end times come to pass.
1988 ... Lindsey suggested that the Rapture would take this year, reasoning that it was 40 years (one Biblical generation) after Israel gained statehood.

Before' 2000
*Hal Lindsey... Lindsay published the book Planet Earth 2000 A.D. in 1994, which stated that Christians should not plan to still be on earth by the year 2000.

*James Gordon Lindsay ... predicted the tribulation would begin before the year 2000.

*Texe Marrs ... stated that the last days could "wrap up by the year 2000."

*Timothy Dwight IV ... President of Yale University foresaw the Millennium starting by 2000.

*Jehovah's Witnesses ... In 1971, and again in 1984, the Jehovah's Witnesses stated the end would be before the end of the 20th century

Jan 1, 2000
*Jerry Falwell ... foresaw God pouring out his judgement on the world on this day.

*Tim LaHaye, Jerry B. Jenkins ...These Christian authors stated the Y2K bug would trigger global economic chaos, which the Antichrist would use to rise to power. As the date approached however they changed their minds

2001 ... Tynetta Muhammad columnist for the Nation of Islam predicted the end would occur in this year.

Apr 29, 2007 ... Pat Robertson in his 1990 book The New Millennium, Robertson suggests this date as the day of Earth's destruction.

May 21, 2011 ...
* Harold Camping predicted that the rapture and devastating earthquakes would occur on May 21, 2011 with God taking approximately 3% of the world's population into Heaven, and that the end of the world would occur five months later on October 21.

Oct 21, 2011
* Harold Camping revised his prediction and said that on May 21, a "Spiritual Judgment" took place, and that both the physical Rapture and the end of the world would occur on October 21, 2011.

Sep 29, 2011
*Ronald Weinland stated Jesus Christ would return on this day. He prophesied nuclear explosions in U.S. port cities by July of 2008 as the blowing of the Second Trumpet of Revelation. He later changed the date for the return of Jesus Christ to May 27, 2012.

May 27, 2012
*Ronald Weinland stated Jesus Christ would return and the world would end on this day.

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TO THE TRUTH POSTED ABOVE<
you rejected the TRUTH, and instead responded with such a far flung non-Scriptural reply! >>>

DennisTate said:
Is Messiah Yeshua - Jesus limited to only one fulfillment of Ezekiel 37 ?
In non linear time.... multiple Ezekiel 37 events each of those times can become times of Awakening and Revival.......
but it needs to happen in our future first.............

yeshuaslavejeff · Dec 8, 2019

DennisTate said:
I would also recommend investigating this guy Mario Murillo. In my opinion he is truly sincere and would be scared to lie about what he has seen happen.

HE sure helped fool you!

DennisTate · Dec 12, 2019

yeshuaslavejeff said:
HE sure helped fool you!

Have you ever listened to even one of his sermons or personal testimonies?

DennisTate · Jan 10, 2020

dqhall said:
Economists were able to see the 1999-2000 dot com NASDAQ bubble. They were able to see the housing bubble in 2006. The exact parameters were nearly impossible for a mortal to see. I have seen the govt. expands the money supply. Real estate, healthcare costs, stock prices rose more than could have been easily predicted. A price of a Hershey bar rose from five cents to a dollar in my lifetime. One may need investing skills to survive. The Federal budget deficit is over a trillion dollars ttm.

Here is an impressive prediction that was made back in 1973 in a visionary dream.....

"There will be a sudden rush to buy farms, ranches, and homes in the country.
Thousands will attempt to flee from cities, hoping that a return to the land and
nature will provide security. There will be a growing urge to "get away from it
all"---and much money will be invested in land and acreage in rural areas by
people who have secret dreams of raising their own food and cattle and of
becoming self-supporting. The price of open rural land will continue to soar.
Acreage within 100 miles of most major cities will skyrocket out of reach to
all but syndicates." (David Wilkerson, The Vision, page 18,19).

dqhall · Jan 11, 2020

DennisTate said:
Here is an impressive prediction that was made back in 1973 in a visionary dream.....

It turns out land in wealthy urban areas like Manhattan, NW DC, San Francisco, Vancouver and Toronto rose in value more. If you check Google Earth there are many thousands of square miles of rural land that is sparsely populated. Rich farmland is more valuable, but not as rich as highly sought urban areas. A mobile home in the wilderness is a lonely place to be. No high speed cable Internet. No cell service. Maybe a generator and satellite dish.

2020 to 2030 is predicted to be a time of Awakening by God.

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