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It surprises me that you guys think Revelation is inspiring/instructive/whatever. Part of me wonders if this is some kind of inside joke wherein you gush about the profundities of this text, writing ever more outrageous things while you secretly howl in laughter at the gaping jaws of us outsiders.
 
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It surprises me that you guys think Revelation is inspiring/instructive/whatever. Part of me wonders if this is some kind of inside joke wherein you gush about the profundities of this text, writing ever more outrageous things while you secretly howl in laughter at the gaping jaws of us outsiders.
Obviously this text is an allegoric or symbolic one, as it has always been interpreted. The modern world has just lost the taste for this type of literature. If I could go back in time and introduce whatever meaningful text you wish to the ancients, they'd most likely just see gobbledegook. There is a continuous tradition here, and if you sever the root thereof, or enter upon it from outside it, what you read will make no sense. Try reading a medical study (not the erroneous pop-science articles based on it), and for the vast majority of people it will appear as arcane.
 
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It surprises me that you guys think Revelation is inspiring/instructive/whatever. Part of me wonders if this is some kind of inside joke wherein you gush about the profundities of this text, writing ever more outrageous things while you secretly howl in laughter at the gaping jaws of us outsiders.

The truth is I created this OP thread all by my little old self, as I always do. :dontcare: There is no 'inside joke' that has been craftily engineered by me in any of this. If there is any joke at all, it's the one that Satan, himself, is successfully promoting in a lost world that remains separated from the love of Christ, even as we speak.

Besides, it's not my fault if the OP issue I've brought up isn't one anyone's heard of before or accepted before ........................................................

So yes, when the writer of Revelation states to the reader that we are "blessed" if we read and heed, I take him seriously and do my best to follow through, despite what the various detractors of the book might say. Moreover, I think I've already left more than ample sources by which others here can begin (yes, begin) to think further about the angle I've offered in my OP, as well as to venture further into assorted nuances that are embedded in Biblical and other Christian Apocalyptic literature.
 
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It surprises me that you guys think Revelation is inspiring/instructive/whatever. Part of me wonders if this is some kind of inside joke wherein you gush about the profundities of this text, writing ever more outrageous things while you secretly howl in laughter at the gaping jaws of us outsiders.
I get that!

It would seem that way, especially if you just remember the dramatic or unexpected parts of Revelation in the latter chapters, many details of which can make little sense to most people the first or 2nd time they hear them, as there is a lot of symbolism used.

Sort of like how surprising to Peter that vision in Acts chapter 10 would be -- it just made little to no sense at all, when he saw it. Not at first.

But if you read in the first and 2nd chapter, it's more understandable, those parts, for many believers I think. That is, if one already had read quite a lot in scripture, before this book.

I would not think to tell someone not already well familiar with the gospels and the rest of the New Testament to begin a more careful study with Revelation first though! That would be...well, I think backward. You'd need to have heard a lot of details in other books, to help make connections.
 
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Obviously this text is an allegoric or symbolic one, as it has always been interpreted. The modern world has just lost the taste for this type of literature. If I could go back in time and introduce whatever meaningful text you wish to the ancients, they'd most likely just see gobbledegook. There is a continuous tradition here, and if you sever the root thereof, or enter upon it from outside it, what you read will make no sense. Try reading a medical study (not the erroneous pop-science articles based on it), and for the vast majority of people it will appear as arcane.
I have been watching a series of lectures on mysticism in the Abrahamic religions ( Mystical Tradition: Judaism, Christianity, and Islam ). The reasons for writing these mystical texts is probably broader than most people realize. For example, sometimes the WRITING of the religious text in itself was the mystical experience. Apparently there are so many of these mystical texts that the majority of them have not even been translated and studied by scholars.

IMO, it's sad that Revelation was included in the NT canon. Some of the more noxious ideas in Christianity would probably have never developed without the book of Revelation to give them some legitimacy. I watched a lecture by John Dominic Crossan where he described Revelation as the most violent book in the bible. We don't see that, because most of us have grown-up with Revelation and the violent ideas have embedded themselves within Christian culture in general. It would have been interesting to see how Christianity might have evolved without Revelation.
 
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I get that!

It would seem that way, especially if you just remember the dramatic or unexpected parts of Revelation in the latter chapters, many details of which can make little sense to most people the first or 2nd time they hear them, as there is a lot of symbolism used.

Sort of like how surprising to Peter that vision in Acts chapter 10 would be -- it just made little to no sense at all, when he saw it. Not at first.

But if you read in the first and 2nd chapter, it's more understandable, those parts, for many believers I think. That is, if one already had read quite a lot in scripture, before this book.

I would not think to tell someone not already well familiar with the gospels and the rest of the New Testament to begin a more careful study with Revelation first though! That would be...well, I think backward. You'd need to have heard a lot of details in other books, to help make connections.
So what do you think it says? Do you feel that Revelation has enlightened you? How does speculating on the meaning of "666" do anything for you that a crossword puzzle couldn't do? (The same question of @2PhiloVoid who claims to have been blessed by studying Revelation.)

I think if you actually and honestly try to make a list, you might find yourself scratching your head and struggling a lot.

And of course I don't mean to be negative. Whatever makes you happy has merit.
 
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So what do you think it says? Do you feel that Revelation has enlightened you? How does speculating on the meaning of "666" do anything for you that a crossword puzzle couldn't do? (The same question of @2PhiloVoid who claims to have been blessed by studying Revelation.)

I think if you actually and honestly try to make a list, you might find yourself scratching your head and struggling a lot.

And of course I don't mean to be negative. Whatever makes you happy has merit.
Revelation starts off with important chapters about the general problems churches have, Christians have, in their various situations they often slide into, chapters 2-3, and then chapter 4 is a wonderful reminder of the ineffable holiness we are responding to, and then 5 is about epochal moments to come, when dramatic and overwhelming changes will happen. Ok, I shouldn't try to oversimplify, and this overview is so inferior to reading with faith.
 
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So what do you think it says? Do you feel that Revelation has enlightened you? How does speculating on the meaning of "666" do anything for you that a crossword puzzle couldn't do? (The same question of @2PhiloVoid who claims to have been blessed by studying Revelation.)

I think if you actually and honestly try to make a list, you might find yourself scratching your head and struggling a lot.

And of course I don't mean to be negative. Whatever makes you happy has merit.
Are you asking these questions of me as well? I ask because I'm not clear if you're merely intending to inquire of Halbhh, or if your comment above is supposed to infer an application of your questions to me?

How do I feel that the book of Revelation has enlightened me? I think this whole thread implies at least one way in which I feel it indeed has "cleared some air" for me, Cloudy. And even if other people don't see meaning in it, feel it, or desire to understand it, I at least don't have to be Satan's sucker any longer nor remain at the mercy of his corporate minions. I can make better choices, in Christ, and continue to trudge forward in the exploration of my God-given life and be the person I think I was intended to be, kind of like this ......... (Kierkegaard, eat your heart out!):

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Are you asking these questions of me as well? I ask because I'm not clear if you're merely intending to inquire of Halbhh, or if your comment above is supposed to infer an application of your questions to me?

How do I feel that the book of Revelation has enlightened me? I think this whole thread implies at least one way in which I feel it indeed has "cleared some air" for me, Cloudy. And even if other people don't see meaning in it, feel it, or desire to understand it, I at least don't have to be Satan's sucker any longer nor remain at the mercy of his corporate minions. I can make better choices, in Christ, and continue to trudge forward in the exploration of my God-given life and be the person I think I was intended to be, kind of like this ......... (Kierkegaard, eat your heart out!):
I believe you said Revelation strengthened your faith in Christianity? How did Revelation strengthen your faith? This thread focuses on the meaning of 666, and I agree that the occurrence of 666 in the OT history of Solomon was interesting, but I don't see how that could strengthen your faith?
 
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Revelation starts off with important chapters about the general problems churches have, Christians have, in their various situations they often slide into, chapters 2-3, and then chapter 4 is a wonderful reminder of the ineffable holiness we are responding to, and then 5 is about epochal moments to come, when deep changes will happen. Ok, I shouldn't try to oversimplify, but one partial, limited way of seeing a part of what happens after this, one of the aspects that is happening from there forward, is the battle of Good against Evil, which is a deep battle of subtle and far reaching significance. A battle is a good metaphor, but since it's about human souls, the deep choices we make as individual souls, that contest involves many symbolic and real efforts to get more to turn to what is good, and reject what is evil, before their fate (the accumulated weight of their choices) is sealed, and their soul lost (to themselves even) forever. Of course this is all very much a simplification, and doesn't touch on all the important aspects. One should not assume that the battle for souls, within people, interior, has no outward moments, or no outward conflicts. Christians can at times be hated by those that wish for a more dionysian unlimited freedom, where even the good sense in themselves warns of limits, and they want none. It's quite possible Christians will be persecuted in a dramatic fashion in the future, as they are currently only in certain countries (though more than just a few now). It could be more like North Korea or Saudi in that regard, but would be unlike them also, I'd speculate. So, for the future events to be visible, outwardly, in actual persecution, is my best guess at what will eventually happen. As you know, I believe and know Christ will return. Evil will be subdued in a more profound way than ever in the past.
Hmmm. That is a pretty good summary of Revelation IMO, but I still don't understand what you see in it.
 
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I believe you said Revelation strengthened your faith in Christianity?
In a kind of indirect way, yes. I say indirect because unlike some of my Dispensational brethren, I don't really take the book of Revelation as something I can simply open up on one side of a table, lay the daily newspaper right beside it, and play a prophetic matching game.

How did Revelation strengthen your faith?
It has done this by providing me a kind of prophetic outline of bits and pieces of world history that has happened, has been happening, and seems may yet happen. At this point, someone may be thinking the following question: Are the full contents of this book all clear to 2PhiloVoid and can they be said to provide him a full-bodied, comprehensive set of reasons 'why' he think Revelation provides him a boost to his faith? The answer is a hardy 'No!' But this isn't to say that I think it just HAS to be as clear as day in order to count as something substantive and useful for me on the spiritual level.

If anything, Revelation simply provides an accounted pattern by which to consider the ongoing human condition from something like a God's Eye kind of view. It offers me a spiritual reflection upon the whole of humanity in its own spiritual struggles as it grows and spiritually mutates and undergoes political permutations in the course of all of human history.

This thread focuses on the meaning of 666, and I agree that the occurrence of 666 in the OT history of Solomon was interesting, but I don't see how that could strengthen your faith?
For me, it helps to the explain at least some of the nature of human sin, especially as that human sin may represent very diabolical elements that are always with us, elements that, as I've said above, can spiritually and socially mutate through time [see post #26 above as but one example].

Because Revelation is so cryptic, it has also reinforced the value in seeing structured Hermeneutics as an applied method of study by which to come to terms with the difficulties we all can have when attempting to read and handle Israelite/Jewish Apocalyptic literature, of any kind really.

Through the additional difficulty that apocalyptic literature poses, it has made me more conscious of the various levels of interpretation that can take place or may need to take place in my own thinking. Additionally, it helps me to remain aware of the importance hermeneutics plays in my reading and understanding of non-apocalyptic literature, like the Gospels or Paul's letters, and so on.

Most of all, and in a way that coalesces with the rest of the Bible, the book of Revelation affirms to me who the King of this World really is: Jesus Christ, who will, through the Holy Spirit, deliver up this fallen world to God in His Fullness, in God the Father.

This is, in basic terms, 'how' it strengthens my faith, even if it doesn't do this alone but in tandem with many other things that many other Christians have thought and by which they've provided additional insights for us to ponder. All of these things together have enabled me to further connect a few of the prophetic dots that are so numerous and so obscure as they sit idly by in the many pages of the Bible, waiting for our willing minds and ears to hear and to slowly take them to heart.
 
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Hmmm. That is a pretty good summary of Revelation IMO, but I still don't understand what you see in it.
Revelation could only make sense if one believes, that Christ will return. I think even my partial summary above isn't...more than only a hint that a lot is there, at best, and in no way a good substitute for what's there, which has so much more, for believers.
 
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Revelation could only make sense if one believes, that Christ will return. I think even my partial summary above isn't...more than only a hint that a lot is there, at best, and in no way a good substitute for what's there, which has so much more, for believers.

I think I agree to some extent. If non-christians can read the book of Revelation and feel nothing that compels them to understand it, this in and of itself seems to me to be a form of evidence which serves to reaffirm my valuation of Revelation, and thereby my faith as a Christian.
 
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The mark of the beast also implies currency, in that the term means a 'stamp'. So I have heard it argued the implication is that coins in the palm of the hand stamped the image of the beast, as it were. Further, marks to differentiate various trading guilds or tattooing of slaves, was fairly widespread. Whatever else it may mean, the Number and Mark of the Beast seem intimately connected to Economic factors in some way.

Perhaps a continuation of narrative of the devil showing Christ the kingdoms of the world, or the rich young man asking to get into heaven, or Simon Magus trying to buy the gifts of the Spirit. It is focussing on the Self, symbolised by the forehead or focussing on acquisition by the hand; rather than giving of yourself to your neighbour; as Christ did.
Very interesting post!

Perhaps the 1st century Roman currency can apply? Some have referred to the beast as possible Nero or Caesar and view 1st century Jerusalem as that City in Revelation involving the great Jewish wars....

1220. denarion day-nar'-ee-on of Latin origin; a denarius (or ten asses):--pence, penny(-worth).
AV - penny 9, pence 5, pennyworth 2; 16 denarius = "containing ten"
1) A Roman silver coin in NT time. It took its name from it being equal to ten "asses", a number after 217 B.C. increased to sixteen (about 3.898 grams or .1375 oz.). It was the principal silver coin of the Roman empire. From the parable of the labourers in the vineyard, it would seem that a denarius was then the ordinary pay for a day's wages. (Mt. 20:2-13)

Matthew 22
18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, "why make ye trial of Me, ye hypocrites?
19 Show me the tribute money". And they brought unto Him a denarius.
20 And He saith unto them, "whose is this image<1504> and superscription?"
21They say unto Him, "Caesar's".............
[Mark 12:15-16 Luke 20:23-24]

It is said this passage in Revelation 6 denotes "famine", which occurred during the 70AD Roman siege of Jerusalem. Note the Roman denarius mentioned:

Revelation 6:6
And I hear a voice in midst of the four living-ones saying: "a measure of grain/wheat a denarius and three measures of barleys a denarius, and the oil and the wine no you should be injuring"."
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Has anyone here read Josephus' account of the Roman/Jewish wars?
I would recommend it as required reading for anyone wanting to study the Olivet Discourse and Revelation from a 1st century perspective......IMHO

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
"I consider the Prophecy relative to the destruction of the Jewish nation,
if there were nothing else to support Christianity, as absolutely irresistible."
(Mr. Erskine's Speech, at the Trial of Williams, for publishing Paine's Age of Reason)
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The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover.

Meanwhile the horrors of famine grew still more melancholy and afflictive.
The Jews, for of food were at length compelled to eat their belts, their sandals, the skins of their shields, dried grass, and even the ordure of oxen. In the depth or this horrible extremity, a Jewess of noble family urged by the intolerable cravings of hunger, slew her infant child, and prepared it for a meal ; and had actually eaten one half thereof, when the soldiers, allured by tile smell of food, threatened her with instant death if she refused to discover it. 'Intimidated by this menace, she immediately produced the remains of her son, which petrified them with horror.
. At the recital of this melancholy and affecting occurrence, the whole city stood aghast, and poured forth their congratulations on those whom death had hurried away from such heartrending scenes.
Revelation 9:6 And in those days men shall be seeking the death, and not no shall be finding it;
and shall be desiring/yearning<1937> to be dying, and the death is fleeing from them.
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Visual Timeline of the Roman-Jewish War ARTchive

CAST OF CHARACTERS: Roman: Emperor Nero | General Vespasian | General Titus | The Roman Army || Jewish: General / Historian Josephus | Factional Leaders in Jerusalem || Administrators of Roman Judea Targets: Jerusalem | Herod's Temple // Maps of the Roman Invasion // Theological Timeline

CHRONOLOGY IMMEDIATELY SURROUNDING THE WAR

Stage 1: Murder of James the Just, "Opposition High Priest" ; Irrevocable Split: 62
Stage 2: General Revolt in Jerusalem ; Zealot Occupation of Masada: August-September 66
Stage 3: The Campaign of Cestius Gallus and the Defeat of the Twelfth Legion: October-November 66
Stage 4: End of Collaborative Government, Priesthood ; General Flight: November 66 - March 67
Part 6: Vespasian Subdues Northern and Western Palestine: December 66 - December 68
Part 7: Three-way Power Struggle within Jerusalem After Roman Retreat: January 68 - May 70
Part 8: Romans Breach City Walls and Leave Jerusalem Desolate: May 10 - September 10, 70
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So what do you think it says? Do you feel that Revelation has enlightened you? How does speculating on the meaning of "666" do anything for you that a crossword puzzle couldn't do? (The same question of @2PhiloVoid who claims to have been blessed by studying Revelation.)

I think if you actually and honestly try to make a list, you might find yourself scratching your head and struggling a lot.

And of course I don't mean to be negative. Whatever makes you happy has merit.
Are you asking these questions of me as well? I ask because I'm not clear if you're merely intending to inquire of Halbhh, or if your comment above is supposed to infer an application of your questions to me?

How do I feel that the book of Revelation has enlightened me? I think this whole thread implies at least one way in which I feel it indeed has "cleared some air" for me, Cloudy. And even if other people don't see meaning in it, feel it, or desire to understand it, I at least don't have to be Satan's sucker any longer nor remain at the mercy of his corporate minions. I can make better choices, in Christ, and continue to trudge forward in the exploration of my God-given life and be the person I think I was intended to be, kind of like this ......... (Kierkegaard, eat your heart out!):
Revelation is a toughy.
I read thru the NT back in 2003 and when I got to Revelation, I said "what the heck"!?
Then I proceeded to read thru the OT next and when I read thru Ezekiel, again I said "what the heck!?
After reading thru the Bible a few more times, it was then I started delving into Revelation while studying it in relation to the Hebrew OT and the more I did, the more it came alive for me.
It is merely a covenantle book between the OC Mosaic Temple system and the NC Faith of Life in Jesus where we are now a Temple of the Holy Spirit.......Paul says so right here:

1Co 6:19
Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own?
==============================

I read thru a some of this person's extensive commentary on Revelation and this 1 bolded part rang so true...

http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/tablecontents.htm

Kindgdom Bible Studies Revelation Series Part 1


The mark of the beast. Armageddon. The Four Horsemen. The false prophet. Babylon the great. Falling stars, stinging locusts, and giant hailstones. The seven last plagues. The bottomless pit. The lake of fire. These images of terror and catastrophe from the book of Revelation have greatly influenced the thinking of millions of Christians through the ages. Even the secular press uses images such as "Armageddon" and "four horsemen of the Apocalypse" to describe calamities in our world. Despite 1900 years of fascination with the book of Revelation, John’s letter to the seven Churches of Asia continues to be misunderstood. And badly misinterpreted!...................

Through the years I have ministered the Word in Bible studies, seminars, and church services of various types. When there has been a question and answer session, or when opportunity was granted for people to request teaching along a particular line, the most often requested subject has beenTHE BOOK OF REVELATION!

I have met people who were babes in Christ, carnal Christians whose lives were a mess, they had incredible problems and needs, including deliverance, and instead of prayer or counsel or messages that would help them overcome and grow up in Christ, they wanted me to teach them the book of Revelation! "Yeah, brother, that’s for me, lay it on me, I want the book of Revelation!

Today, many Christians are confused. They are tossed too and fro with every new book that hits the market or every new fad end-time scheme introduced by some celebrity preacher. The popularity of the Revelation today is due to man’s insatiable curiosity regarding the future, the interest in the unknown tomorrow, which characterizes the restless human soul.


The most popular of the apocalyptic entrepreneurs undoubtedly is Hal Lindsey, the author of the sensationalist book The Late Great Planet Earth and other more recent titles. His combination of literalist biblical interpretation and outright scare tactics have resulted in gaining him an extremely wide readership. But — his predictions have continually needed readjustment in the light of deadlines which have come and gone without fulfillment! Also, according to the February/March 1980 "special report to the members of the 700 Club," entitled "Pat Robertson’s Perspective," the beast of Revelation was to have been the Soviet Union, which he believed was about to attack Israel "to gain unrestricted access to Middle East oil plus a land bridge to the mineral wealth of Africa."
 
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Revelation is a toughy.
I read thru the NT back in 2003 and when I got to Revelation, I said "what the heck"!?
Then I proceeded to read thru the OT next and when I read thru Ezekiel, again I said "what the heck!?
After reading thru the Bible a few more times, it was then I started delving into Revelation while studying it in relation to the Hebrew OT and the more I did, the more it came alive for me.
It is merely a covenantle book between the OC Mosaic Temple system and the NC Faith of Life in Jesus where we are now a Temple of the Holy Spirit.......Paul says so right here:

1Co 6:19
Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own?
==============================

I read thru a some of this person's extensive commentary on Revelation and this 1 bolded part rang so true...

http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/tablecontents.htm

Kindgdom Bible Studies Revelation Series Part 1


The mark of the beast. Armageddon. The Four Horsemen. The false prophet. Babylon the great. Falling stars, stinging locusts, and giant hailstones. The seven last plagues. The bottomless pit. The lake of fire. These images of terror and catastrophe from the book of Revelation have greatly influenced the thinking of millions of Christians through the ages. Even the secular press uses images such as "Armageddon" and "four horsemen of the Apocalypse" to describe calamities in our world. Despite 1900 years of fascination with the book of Revelation, John’s letter to the seven Churches of Asia continues to be misunderstood. And badly misinterpreted!...................

Through the years I have ministered the Word in Bible studies, seminars, and church services of various types. When there has been a question and answer session, or when opportunity was granted for people to request teaching along a particular line, the most often requested subject has beenTHE BOOK OF REVELATION!

I have met people who were babes in Christ, carnal Christians whose lives were a mess, they had incredible problems and needs, including deliverance, and instead of prayer or counsel or messages that would help them overcome and grow up in Christ, they wanted me to teach them the book of Revelation! "Yeah, brother, that’s for me, lay it on me, I want the book of Revelation!

Today, many Christians are confused. They are tossed too and fro with every new book that hits the market or every new fad end-time scheme introduced by some celebrity preacher. The popularity of the Revelation today is due to man’s insatiable curiosity regarding the future, the interest in the unknown tomorrow, which characterizes the restless human soul.


The most popular of the apocalyptic entrepreneurs undoubtedly is Hal Lindsey, the author of the sensationalist book The Late Great Planet Earth and other more recent titles. His combination of literalist biblical interpretation and outright scare tactics have resulted in gaining him an extremely wide readership. But — his predictions have continually needed readjustment in the light of deadlines which have come and gone without fulfillment! Also, according to the February/March 1980 "special report to the members of the 700 Club," entitled "Pat Robertson’s Perspective," the beast of Revelation was to have been the Soviet Union, which he believed was about to attack Israel "to gain unrestricted access to Middle East oil plus a land bridge to the mineral wealth of Africa."

I appreciate that you've dropped by, but since this thread is in the Apologetics section, I've designed it to more or less (hopefully more) deal specifically with the issue I've brought up in the OP rather than with the book of Revelation on the whole. So, do you have any comments and/or evaluations to share about the direction that is taken in the OP Video and my accompanying OP inquiry?
 
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