Ex-Catholic looking for help becoming protestant

Status
Not open for further replies.

dqhall

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Jul 21, 2015
7,547
4,171
Florida
Visit site
✟766,603.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Hi, I left the Catholic church about a year ago. I left because of bad experiences, mean and ignorant priests, no solutions to my questions or problems, and a never ending feeling of evil around me. I have a lot of backstory as to why I left but I'm not going to explain everything here right now. Maybe some other time. Anyway, after I stopped going to mass I was looking into the ideas and ways of evangelists and lutherans. I've been sticking to my bibles and i've been trying to find the best version to read. I own a king james, an english standard, and a Good News bible (catholic). I'm currently trying to get my hands on a copy of the Halleluyah Scriptures (sorry if i spelled that wrong) and I'm curious to know what you guys recommend I should read.

On to the church part- I'm having trouble figuring out what kind of church I should go to or if any at all. I'm a bit afraid because all i've ever known is Catholicism. I really want to do things right and become born again. For now all i've been doing is reading the word and finding people on youtube to listen to. I've been watching alot of Living Waters with Ray Comfort and other youtube channels like Derek Prince, Fred Tarsitano, Alan Horvath, etc. I used to watch videos from the priest from my (old) diocese "Ascension Presents" with Father Mike Schmitz but I stopped because obviously I don't want to be RC anymore (roman catholic) I don't know if I want to label myself as a certain type of christian or just call myself a christian. I want to surround myself with people who are christian and want to help and guide other to christ the right way and find supporters. I have no idea where to go and i'm young so i have time to figure this all out, but I'd rather start now than later because I could get into a car crash and die tomorrow for all i know. I really want to stay away from evil and stay away from sin. The Catholic church is full of stuff like that. (sorry catholics)

Any advice or recommendations is appreciated!
The NIV translators used Dead Sea Scroll data in their translation. There are free Bible tools online such as biblegateway or biblehub. Some used Bible atlases to learn the geographical itinerary of the Jesus’ Gospel travels or Paul’s travels. I found YouTube videos about the Hebrides Revival in Britain and the Azusa Street Revival in LA.
 
Upvote 0

Bible Highlighter

Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.
Site Supporter
Jul 22, 2014
41,502
7,861
...
✟1,192,985.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
Hi, I left the Catholic church about a year ago. I left because of bad experiences, mean and ignorant priests, no solutions to my questions or problems, and a never ending feeling of evil around me. I have a lot of backstory as to why I left but I'm not going to explain everything here right now. Maybe some other time. Anyway, after I stopped going to mass I was looking into the ideas and ways of evangelists and lutherans. I've been sticking to my bibles and i've been trying to find the best version to read. I own a king james, an english standard, and a Good News bible (catholic). I'm currently trying to get my hands on a copy of the Halleluyah Scriptures (sorry if i spelled that wrong) and I'm curious to know what you guys recommend I should read.

Congratulations on making your first step to following the Bible alone and in following what all us humans know to be morally good and upright deep down by looking to His Word alone for salvation.

The next step is "Justification" (Seeing you said within this post that you are looking to be "born again"). "Justification" is being saved by God's grace through faith in Jesus Christ (Ephesians 2:8). It is a process of salvation that is without works because you will be first seeking forgiveness with the Lord Jesus Christ. "Justification" is a theological term that denotes a process or aspect of salvation that is vitally important to how we get saved initially, and it is how we ultimately remain saved.

"Justification" is admitting that you have sinned against God (Romans 3:23), and that you need a Savior, and that Savior's name is Jesus Christ. "Justification" is believing the gospel for your salvation (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). Belief in the gospel is believing that Jesus Christ died on the cross, was buried, and rose again three days later on your behalf so as to forgive you of your sins and to give you a new resurrected life in Him. "Justification" is calling upon the name of Jesus Christ and seeking forgiveness of your sins (i.e. to repent) by way of prayer towards Him. There is no special exact words you have to pray. The intent of your heart should be seeking forgiveness with the Lord (See the Parable of the Tax Collector and the Pharisee in Luke 18:9-14). They can be your own words, but if you need guidance on what to say, go to Google and do an image search for the words "sinner's prayer." "Justification" can also involve asking Jesus Christ to come into your life so as to save your life. For John says, "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God..." (John 1:12).

The next step or aspect of salvation after "Justification" that you need to enter into after being saved by God's grace and mercy is called "Sanctification" or "Progressive Sanctification." This is putting away sin out of your life, and in living your life in a way that is pleasing to the Lord by obeying the commands that come from the Lord Jesus Christ, and His followers (within the pages of the New Testament). This would not be obeying the whole of the Old Testament Law of Moses (i.e. the 613 laws given to Israel, which are found primarily in the Old Testament portion of your Bible). For the apostle warned against trying to be saved by the Law of Moses. Yes, certain laws in the Old Law have been repeated or carried over into the New Testament (like the Moral Law, such as: Do not murder, do not steal, do not commit adultery, do not hate, etc.) but there are many aspects of the Old Law that do not apply anymore (like circumcision, the Saturday Sabbath, dietary laws, etc.). If we fall or stumble into a sin on rare occasion, we have God's grace to go back to (i.e. "Justification"). For 1 John 1:9 says if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. This would be confessing our sins to Jesus (1 John 2:1), and not to a person. In fact, GOD alone or Jesus (Who is the 2nd person of the Trinity or the Godhead) is the only being or entity that you can pray to. You cannot pray to dead saints because they do not have the exclusive power of God to answer prayer. They are only human and not GOD. We are also to put away all idols out of our lives, as well. So if you have any statues of the saints, or Jesus, destroy them or thrown them out. If you have any pictures of the saints, destroy them. We should not revere false images of Jesus and or the saints. We do not know what Jesus looked like or the saints. Do not pray to Mary or the saints. They cannot help you. Only Jesus (Who is your Savior, and GOD) can help you.

You said:
On to the church part- I'm having trouble figuring out what kind of church I should go to or if any at all. I'm a bit afraid because all i've ever known is Catholicism. I really want to do things right and become born again. For now all i've been doing is reading the word and finding people on youtube to listen to.

While I believe Catholicism is unbiblical, I believe running into the arms of Protestantism with blind abandonment can be equally problematic and or spiritually dangerous. It is true that there are some aspects of the Protestant church that are correct (biblically speaking). They believe correctly that there is a Trinity, that the Lord our God is one God and yet He exists as three persons: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost (Which is also what the Catholics believe) (See 1 John 5:7 in the KJV here). Protestants also correctly believe in Sola Scripture (a.k.a. the Bible alone for their faith), and they have a more sound view of the End Times (a.k.a. Eschatology) with believing in a Pre-Trib Rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:16-18), but I believe where the Protestants drop the ball is in Sola Fide (Faith alone). James 2:24 says that we are justified by works and not by faith alone. Yes, we are saved by God's grace through faith in Christ without works (Ephesians 2:8-9); But in Ephesians 2:8-9, Paul is referring to the "Justification Process" in how we first get saved and or how we ultimately can stay saved if we happen to stumble into sin. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved (Romans 10:13). I believe Protestants are wrong because they seek to justify the idea that they can sin and still be saved on some level (even when they may appear to double speak and say that they are for holy living, when they really are not for that. For most Protestant churches teach that you cannot lose your salvation via by sin as Jesus taught. Jesus said if you look upon a woman in lust, your whole body can be cast into hell fire (Matthew 5:28-30). Jesus said if we do not forgive, we will not be forgiven (Matthew 6:15), and many other such grievous sins.

You said:
I've been watching alot of Living Waters with Ray Comfort and other youtube channels like Derek Prince, Fred Tarsitano, Alan Horvath, etc. I used to watch videos from the priest from my (old) diocese "Ascension Presents" with Father Mike Schmitz but I stopped because obviously I don't want to be RC anymore (roman catholic) I don't know if I want to label myself as a certain type of christian or just call myself a christian.

Check everything you hear with the Word of God. For example out of the list of men you have listed: I do not believe Ray Comfort teaches sound biblical advice on salvation because he is for "Faith Alone" and or that future sin is forgiven a believer (See this article here). This secretly means we can live however we like because we have a belief alone on Jesus. Hebrews 10:26 says if we willfully sin after we receive the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sin. 1 John 1:9 says we have to confess of sin (i.e. confess to Jesus) in order to be forgiven of sin (also compare with 1 John 2:1). Granted, Ray believes we will become changed and we will want to live a holy life, but this is not what the Scriptures teach. We are told in the Bible to.

  1. Continue in the grace of God (Acts of the Apostles 13:43).

  2. Continue in the faith (Acts of the Apostles 14:22) (Colossians 1:23).

  3. Continue in his goodness, otherwise we can be cut off (just like the Jews were cut off) (Romans 11:21-22).

You said:
I want to surround myself with people who are christian and want to help and guide other to christ the right way and find supporters. I have no idea where to go and i'm young so i have time to figure this all out, but I'd rather start now than later because I could get into a car crash and die tomorrow for all i know. I really want to stay away from evil and stay away from sin. The Catholic church is full of stuff like that. (sorry catholics)

Any advice or recommendations is appreciated!

I am glad you have chosen to take the path of following after the truth by God's Word alone. Remember, no matter how impressed you may be by a teacher online or even at a church, remember to test everything they say with the Word of God. There may be things you may like that they say, but there may be other things that do not align with what God's Word actually says. You should even test everything that I say with God's Word. For no person is above what His Word says. Jesus said narrow is the way that leads unto life and FEW be there that find it. The more I have studied God's Word and have walked with the Lord, the more narrow I found that this way is. Nobody truly wants to follow Jesus in what He says. They will find ways to ignore what He teaches. Examples would be like their denying His words in Matthew 5:28-30, Matthew 6:15, Matthew 19:17-19, Matthew 12:37, Matthew 25:31-46, Luke 9:62, Luke 10:25-28, etc. The apostle Paul warns against anyone who denies the words of Jesus; He says they are proud and they know nothing (See 1 Timothy 6:3-4). James says God resists the proud and gives grace to the humble (James 4:6).
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

Ken Rank

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Jan 12, 2014
7,218
5,563
Winchester, KENtucky
✟308,985.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
Hi, I left the Catholic church about a year ago. I left because of bad experiences, mean and ignorant priests, no solutions to my questions or problems, and a never ending feeling of evil around me. I have a lot of backstory as to why I left but I'm not going to explain everything here right now. Maybe some other time. Anyway, after I stopped going to mass I was looking into the ideas and ways of evangelists and lutherans. I've been sticking to my bibles and i've been trying to find the best version to read. I own a king james, an english standard, and a Good News bible (catholic). I'm currently trying to get my hands on a copy of the Halleluyah Scriptures (sorry if i spelled that wrong) and I'm curious to know what you guys recommend I should read.

On to the church part- I'm having trouble figuring out what kind of church I should go to or if any at all. I'm a bit afraid because all i've ever known is Catholicism. I really want to do things right and become born again. For now all i've been doing is reading the word and finding people on youtube to listen to. I've been watching alot of Living Waters with Ray Comfort and other youtube channels like Derek Prince, Fred Tarsitano, Alan Horvath, etc. I used to watch videos from the priest from my (old) diocese "Ascension Presents" with Father Mike Schmitz but I stopped because obviously I don't want to be RC anymore (roman catholic) I don't know if I want to label myself as a certain type of christian or just call myself a christian. I want to surround myself with people who are christian and want to help and guide other to christ the right way and find supporters. I have no idea where to go and i'm young so i have time to figure this all out, but I'd rather start now than later because I could get into a car crash and die tomorrow for all i know. I really want to stay away from evil and stay away from sin. The Catholic church is full of stuff like that. (sorry catholics)

Any advice or recommendations is appreciated!
Just a few thoughts. Regarding bibles... I would pick up a NKJV to go with what you have, it really is a decent translation. I would also get eSword because you will have access to more versions plus lexicons and commentaries... all just to weigh out during studies. Nothing replaces just reading your favorite version and waiting on direction from God.

As far as a church. I would go everywhere, and I am serious. I would go to a every denomination in your town or city and just listen, get a feel for the place and people... you will know when you have found a place to call home... at least for now.

And lastly... pray... that God makes it obvious... whatever His will is and that part if hard my friend. "What His will is" COULD mean going back where you came from. I am not suggesting that or that He will lead you to that... but you have to open yourself to Him for ANY possibility. For Him to lead, for Him to be "Lord" then we have to remove our own bias and just be willing to be led.

Blessings to you.
Ken
 
Upvote 0

Albion

Facilitator
Dec 8, 2004
111,138
33,258
✟583,842.00
Country
United States
Faith
Anglican
Marital Status
Married
@Rebemk80,
the following is an example of what can happen to a person who is seeking a church but does not go to the source, and instead picks up what someone said here or there, etc. Please do take the time to 1) study the differences between the denominations, and 2) visit and talk with the pastors and also, 3) stay with the established denominations (Baptist, Churches of Christ, Church of God, etc.--to name a few that might be appropriate for you based on what we have learned of your thinking).


While I believe Catholicism is unbiblical, I believe running into the arms of Protestantism with blind abandonment can be equally problematic and or spiritually dangerous. It is true that there are some aspects of the Protestant church that are correct (biblically speaking).
For the umpteenth time, there is no "The Protestant Church." There are thousands of Protestant denominations, loosely associated with certain basic beliefs, but differing from each other in quite a few ways.

I believe Protestants are wrong because they seek to justify the idea that they can sin and still be saved...
That's just bunk. It is something often said by people who aren't well informed or else are going by what a few individuals who didn't get straight what their churches have been teaching.

For most Protestant churches teach that you cannot lose your salvation via by sin as Jesus taught.
Actually, most do NOT teach that.

I want to add that Eternal Security is a dangerous doctrine of Protestant churches.
A few of them. Calvinist ones--Reformed, Presbyterian, and some Baptists mainly. Most Protestant churches do not teach this doctrine.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

Bible Highlighter

Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.
Site Supporter
Jul 22, 2014
41,502
7,861
...
✟1,192,985.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
Hi, I left the Catholic church about a year ago. I left because of bad experiences, mean and ignorant priests, no solutions to my questions or problems, and a never ending feeling of evil around me. I have a lot of backstory as to why I left but I'm not going to explain everything here right now. Maybe some other time. Anyway, after I stopped going to mass I was looking into the ideas and ways of evangelists and lutherans. I've been sticking to my bibles and i've been trying to find the best version to read. I own a king james, an english standard, and a Good News bible (catholic). I'm currently trying to get my hands on a copy of the Halleluyah Scriptures (sorry if i spelled that wrong) and I'm curious to know what you guys recommend I should read.

On to the church part- I'm having trouble figuring out what kind of church I should go to or if any at all. I'm a bit afraid because all i've ever known is Catholicism. I really want to do things right and become born again. For now all i've been doing is reading the word and finding people on youtube to listen to. I've been watching alot of Living Waters with Ray Comfort and other youtube channels like Derek Prince, Fred Tarsitano, Alan Horvath, etc. I used to watch videos from the priest from my (old) diocese "Ascension Presents" with Father Mike Schmitz but I stopped because obviously I don't want to be RC anymore (roman catholic) I don't know if I want to label myself as a certain type of christian or just call myself a christian. I want to surround myself with people who are christian and want to help and guide other to christ the right way and find supporters. I have no idea where to go and i'm young so i have time to figure this all out, but I'd rather start now than later because I could get into a car crash and die tomorrow for all i know. I really want to stay away from evil and stay away from sin. The Catholic church is full of stuff like that. (sorry catholics)

Any advice or recommendations is appreciated!

I want to add that "Eternal Security" (Free Grace), and or the
"Modern Arminianism's Non-Eternal Security Perseverance of the Saints" are both dangerous doctrines of Protestant churches. Also, it does not matter that only some Protestant churches teach Eternal Security doctrine, either. You will run into many who will teach this false doctrine. You can do your own homework and look at Protestant websites and or visit Protestant churches and they all will teach one thing. You can sin and still be saved. Both doctrines I mentioned above justify the idea that you can sin and still be saved on some level. While Wikipedia states that Arminians deny Eternal Security, they believe in Conditional Perseverance of the Saints that justifies that you can sin and still be saved. Arminians say that you can only walk away from God by a lack of rejecting Christ or not having faith anymore (and one cannot lose salvation via by sin). At the heart: The problem is justifying sin. To see the fruits of Eternal Security or Arminian's view of salvation, you can see men who believed that their future sin was forgiven them had led them to believe that they can do horrible sins with the thinking they were saved (while doing such sins).

Check out these links to learn more:

George Sodini.
Kenneth Nally.

For if you tell a child that their future sin is forgiven them, and you never see them again, they could turn out to be the next George Sodini, or Kenneth Nally.

I hope this bit of information helps.

May God's grace and peace be unto you.

Side Note:

Be careful. There are some who say they deny Eternal Security or even may say that we must live holy as a part of salvation, and yet they will doublespeak and tell you that you can sin and still be saved at another point. The problem at the heart of Eternal Security is justifying sin. A person can deny Eternal Security and yet still justify sin. That is the real problem of all Protestant churches. They do not believe the words of Jesus in Matthew 5:28-30, Matthew 6:15, etc.

Side Note 2:

Jacob Arminius taught that sin can separate a person from God. But Modern Arminisim (as a whole) does not teach this.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

Strong in Him

Great is thy faithfulness
Site Supporter
Mar 4, 2005
27,863
7,973
NW England
✟1,050,634.00
Country
United Kingdom
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Actually being baptized is being born again. Jesus said you must be born of water.

And the Spirit.
A 3 month old baby can be baptised in water; they are loved and welcomed by God, but they are not born again.
 
Upvote 0

BNR32FAN

He’s a Way of life
Site Supporter
Aug 11, 2017
22,518
7,351
Dallas
✟885,674.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
Hi, I left the Catholic church about a year ago. I left because of bad experiences, mean and ignorant priests, no solutions to my questions or problems, and a never ending feeling of evil around me. I have a lot of backstory as to why I left but I'm not going to explain everything here right now. Maybe some other time. Anyway, after I stopped going to mass I was looking into the ideas and ways of evangelists and lutherans. I've been sticking to my bibles and i've been trying to find the best version to read. I own a king james, an english standard, and a Good News bible (catholic). I'm currently trying to get my hands on a copy of the Halleluyah Scriptures (sorry if i spelled that wrong) and I'm curious to know what you guys recommend I should read.

On to the church part- I'm having trouble figuring out what kind of church I should go to or if any at all. I'm a bit afraid because all i've ever known is Catholicism. I really want to do things right and become born again. For now all i've been doing is reading the word and finding people on youtube to listen to. I've been watching alot of Living Waters with Ray Comfort and other youtube channels like Derek Prince, Fred Tarsitano, Alan Horvath, etc. I used to watch videos from the priest from my (old) diocese "Ascension Presents" with Father Mike Schmitz but I stopped because obviously I don't want to be RC anymore (roman catholic) I don't know if I want to label myself as a certain type of christian or just call myself a christian. I want to surround myself with people who are christian and want to help and guide other to christ the right way and find supporters. I have no idea where to go and i'm young so i have time to figure this all out, but I'd rather start now than later because I could get into a car crash and die tomorrow for all i know. I really want to stay away from evil and stay away from sin. The Catholic church is full of stuff like that. (sorry catholics)

Any advice or recommendations is appreciated!

My suggestion would be to read some of the early church writings from the first 2-3 centuries of Christianity to get an idea of what the early church taught and compare that with the Eastern Orthodox teachings. Reformed theology didn’t begin until 1500+ years after the apostles established the church. Much of Roman theology didn’t begin until 1000+ years after the apostles established the church. There’s nothing wrong with Catholicism. Roman Catholicism on the other hand is very different from what the early church actually taught. Before you turn to reformed theology I would strongly urge you to check out the Eastern Orthodox teachings. As a former Protestant I highly recommend giving them consideration.
 
Upvote 0

Bible Highlighter

Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.
Site Supporter
Jul 22, 2014
41,502
7,861
...
✟1,192,985.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
@Rebemk80

My encouragement is to just read the Bible alone for a while and ask the Lord to reveal the truth to you. I don't believe man made history holds the answer to your faith, but I believe God's Word does. Stay in His Word, and apply His Word to your life more. Obey His Word. For the more you obey HIs Word, the more understanding you will be given. This would be obedience to what Jesus and His followers taught. Only do what you see in God's Word alone. Do not imitate or copy some church. Just follow God and His Word alone. For it was a church and its ways that led to you where you are now in seeking after what the Bible says alone.

I hope this helps, and may God bless you today.

Sincerely,

~ J.
 
Upvote 0

Sam Davis

Active Member
Nov 13, 2019
97
65
42
Northwest
✟9,244.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
And the Spirit.
A 3 month old baby can be baptised in water; they are loved and welcomed by God, but they are not born again.

I disagree. The Holy Spirit is imparted to the believer at baptism through this means of grace. It is at that time that they are born again by the water and the Spirit. That is the official doctrine of my Church (LCMS).
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

AlexDTX

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Jun 13, 2015
4,191
2,818
✟328,934.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
Hi, I left the Catholic church about a year ago. I left because of bad experiences, mean and ignorant priests, no solutions to my questions or problems, and a never ending feeling of evil around me. I have a lot of backstory as to why I left but I'm not going to explain everything here right now. Maybe some other time. Anyway, after I stopped going to mass I was looking into the ideas and ways of evangelists and lutherans.
You don't want to be a Protestant. You want to be a Christian. The Protestant Reformation is still Catholicism. Luther did not want to get rid of Roman Catholicism, but to reform it. While services seem different, it is still the same liturgy with different elements as replacement. What you need is to know how to hear God's voice and to be led by His Spirit. Being a Christian means keeping your eyes on Jesus.
 
Upvote 0

timothyu

Well-Known Member
Dec 31, 2018
22,525
8,427
up there
✟306,620.00
Country
Canada
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
The question is always... "Do you believe" in Christ's work on the cross and have you accepted Him as your savior, admitted you are a sinner and turned from those ways?
And the Kingdom of God over the rules and institutions of man.
 
  • Like
Reactions: JacksBratt
Upvote 0

timothyu

Well-Known Member
Dec 31, 2018
22,525
8,427
up there
✟306,620.00
Country
Canada
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
I disagree. The Holy Spirit is imparted to the believer at baptism through this means of grace. It is at that time that they are born again by the water and the Spirit. That is the official doctrine of my Church (LCMS).
Getting circumcised doesn't make one Jewish so neither does getting sprinkled make one a willing follower of God. Willing being the key word. Otherwise a baby is simply being initiated into the family cult.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: JacksBratt
Upvote 0

timothyu

Well-Known Member
Dec 31, 2018
22,525
8,427
up there
✟306,620.00
Country
Canada
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
Being a Christian means keeping your eyes on Jesus.
And following His commandments. Commandments of the Kingdom, not the institutions of man which claim to serve both the world of man and God. Can't have it both ways.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: AlexDTX
Upvote 0

JacksBratt

Searching for Truth
Site Supporter
Jul 5, 2014
16,282
6,484
62
✟570,656.00
Country
Canada
Faith
Protestant
Marital Status
Married
Christ is concerned with what Church you attend. The 7 Churches in Revelation are a testimony of this. Jesus said that his way is a narrow road. Proper theology, beliefs, and lifestyle do matter.
I said............He doesn't care if you go to a Catholic or Protestant church.
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

JacksBratt

Searching for Truth
Site Supporter
Jul 5, 2014
16,282
6,484
62
✟570,656.00
Country
Canada
Faith
Protestant
Marital Status
Married
Also, Catholicism requires works and Protestantism is based on faith.

It does matter. There is a big difference in the belief systems.
Again... that is not my point.. My point is whether you believe in Him. The rest is man made arguments.
 
Upvote 0

Strong in Him

Great is thy faithfulness
Site Supporter
Mar 4, 2005
27,863
7,973
NW England
✟1,050,634.00
Country
United Kingdom
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
I disagree. The Holy Spirit is imparted to the believer at baptism through this means of grace. It is at that time that they are born again by the water and the Spirit. That is the official doctrine of my Church (LCMS).

Maybe that's the doctrine of your church, but I don't believe it applies in infant baptism.

Scripture says that when we are in Christ we become new creations, 2 Corinthians 5:17; the old has gone, the new has come. It says that anyone who, by the Spirit, puts to death the misdeeds of the body, will live, Romans 8:13.
A baby is unable to be in Christ, cannot put off their sinful nature and does not have any misdeeds of the body, having only just been born. They can also not ask the Lord to fill them with his Holy Spirit, receive the Spirit or confess Jesus as Lord.

When they get to an age where they are old enough to know what sin is, that they sin and need forgiveness and a new heart, then they can become Christians and be born again.

If you want to discuss this further you'll need to start a new thread, as I do not think we are allowed to discuss this in Christian Advice.
 
Upvote 0

Barney2.0

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Dec 1, 2017
6,003
2,336
Los Angeles
✟451,221.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Private
It seems your leaving the Roman Catholic Church due to bad experiences, not due to doctrinal disagreements or beliefs. I wouldn’t change denominations or religions because of personal feelings, you can find many good and well informed Catholic priests, just as you can find some that are corrupt and some that are sex offenders. If your leaving due to bad priests, then your not going to find much different in Protestant Churches, Protestant Churches aren’t any more sinless then Roman Catholic ones. Also did you ever actually read about the Protestant reformation and what the doctrines of the reformers were and see if they make sense or if you agree with them? Just so you know Protestantism especially the evangelical fundamentalist one preached by people like Ray Comfort, Derek Prince, Fred Tarsitano, and Alan Horvath has nothing to do with historical Apostolic Christianity (sorry Protestants, but we all know deep down that it’s true). Most of the Apostolic Fathers themselves were Bishops and priests, how many evangelical and Protestant Churches still have those besides Lutherans and Anglicans. The problem with Protestantism especially the evangelical branch is that it separates Christ from the Church and turns it into some mystical non existent thing instead of the living, breathing kingdom it was meant to be. Either way it’s your choice.
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

Albion

Facilitator
Dec 8, 2004
111,138
33,258
✟583,842.00
Country
United States
Faith
Anglican
Marital Status
Married
The originals were just rabbis/teachers. No institution or traditional human hierarchy.
and yet the New Testament speaks of bishops, presbyters/elders, and deacons in a number of places, along with the necessary qualifications for being such. ;)
 
Upvote 0
Status
Not open for further replies.