The Santa Clown
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Would you feel better with 'just a man dressed up as Santa'? Seems like a lady would have a hard time getting a job doing that.
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Right we don't know. The point you missed was that we can't rule out the date in December. If so...why?
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Well, I am not ruling out anything, what I know of.
According to the lunar calender you are born on the day of that year.
Because the next year it will not be the same.
Though it was probably in December sometime
when a certain star appeared.
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Remember the astronomers?
It is similar to prior to the birth of Abraham,
when Nimrods astronomers reported that a certain star had been observed,
Which caused a panic with Nimrod.
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So our kids leave cookies and milkshakes out for Santa... I’ve never heard of people leaving out booze, but I can’t say I’m against it... Heres hoping we leave plum wine out for him this year!
Listen, if you don’t want Santa coming to your house, he doesn’t have to. You do you. He comes to our house, always has, always will. Your judgement against me and others for doing differently than you is your problem to answer for, not mine.
Then it’s a good thing nobody ever did anything awful under the guise of being a religious authority because then you wouldn’t be able to be Christian anymore.
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Thanks, but there are a number of mistakes in that list.
For one, about half of the characteristics that apply to Odin or Thor also apply to the historic St. Nicholas. It is, therefore, impossible to say that Santa Claus was borrowed from Odin and/or Thor rather than from St. Nicholas (as I maintained was the case). In addition, St. Nicholas came earlier than the Norse gods, so far as the contact with Christians was concerned.
Second, some of the supposed similarities don't apply to Santa at all, so they cannot be considered to support your claim of Santa being a knock-off of Odin, Thor, etc. For example, while Odin and Thor are Norse deities, Santa is not thought of as being a god. So that item is in error.
And the last one is just plain nonsense. If Santa came down the chimney (in the Clement Moore story), he didn't identify with the fire! There is nothing in the story, nor do any people who repeat the "Twas the Night Before Christmas" tale think that, make mention of it, or believe anything even remotely like that.
Therefore, there is almost nothing--when we get right down to it--about your list that holds up.
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He has never been to anyone's house ever.
No..never.
Don't judge people who would like the real meaning of Christmas to be front and center.
Sorry if you thought you had any impact on who can believe in the Christmas Kid. No. None at all. Ever.
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You can call him just a man dressed as a demon or whatever you like. I prefer clown because they look so funny and ridiculous to families who know that there is no santa. They have an act, and it suits me fine to describe it as a clown act.
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? Apparently Norse paganism religion was a branch of Germanic peoples who were here since the iron age. As mentioned, Nick didn't do chimneys, or fly either.
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Okay, but I was referring to the spread of Christianity or Christian missionaries reaching those lands. This didn't happen until after St. Nicholas became a revered figure in the Christian church. And that means that any claim of Santa being a knock-off of Thor rather than of Nicholas fails.
No, but that doesn't do anything to refute the fact that Santa Claus is derived from the story of St. Nicholas, just as a beard, red attire, giving gifts to children, etc., are. All derived from Nicholas.
And you didn't just list fireplaces, but suggested that fireplaces were thought to be "sacred" and fire as intimate to the belief in Thor. There is no such connection on either of those points when we look at Santa Claus.
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He has been to mine. *shrug*
I didn’t. I said repeatedly you can do as you’d like. I never made a statement about you as a parent or or your parenting choices, not have I questioned the salvation of your kids. I said you should keep on doing keeping on doing.
Well, I can think of three kids who are open and believe and, frankly, those three are the most important to me. It’s all good.
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Not sure if missionaries arriving means that much in the santa saga.
The Santa similarities with Nicklaus are less than that with Thor. Some of the things mentioned above also hold out pretty well with Thor, as benevolence and red were on the list. saint Nick also misses out on the chimney and flying chariot thing. So it is unclear where they myth came from, so calling him saint Nick is o better than calling him Odin or Thor. In any case there is no real connection with the bible or Jesus.
Since fireplaces are where chimneys end and where socks are hung, there is a connection with those things to Santa.
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If you mean a sant clown, fine. If you mean the mythical, farcical, true meaning of Christmas stealing spirit being named Santa...no.
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The Christmas Kid is Jesus. Glad to hear your kids believe..rather than in some santa clown tale.Well, I can think of three kids who are open and believe and, frankly, those three are the most important to me. It’s all good.
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"Santa" is a Latin term meaning "Saint". Therefore, to
conclude that "Santa" = "Satan" is to conclude that any
and all saints are Satan/Satanic. Not sure we want to go
there.
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