How are we Dealing with the Voices in our heads?

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I'll just let Jon Foreman and Lindsey Sterling lead us in considering the question since I think their MESSAGE is clear enough:

How should we Deal with "the Voices" in our heads?

Video: VOICES - SWITCHFOOT feat. Lindsey Stirling (version released Nov. 8th, 2019)





 

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Isn’t Stirling Mormon? Why is she performing with a Christian band?

She may be. So, would you think the comments that have been apparently made about her and which show up in the video are, thereby, appropriate? Maybe some criticism is due to both her and Switchfoot on some counts, but then maybe some of it goes too far? How should we deal with criticizing both her and Switchfoot?
 
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She may be. So, would you think the comments that have been apparently made about her and which show up in the video are, thereby, appropriate? Maybe some criticism is due to both her and Switchfoot on some counts, but then maybe some of it goes too far? How should we deal with criticizing both her and Switchfoot?

Every public figure is bound to be criticized. If they can’t handle the heat get out of the kitchen.
 
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Every public figure is bound to be criticized. If they can’t handle the heat get out of the kitchen.

So, what do you think the point of the video is, overall? Should there be some level of Emotional Intelligence that moderates the ways in which people choose to criticize others?
 
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Hm... context.
If you hear voices in your head while listening to a music video... consider turning off your headphones.

Thanks for your spam. That's quite helpful. :rolleyes:
 
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So, what do you think the point of the video is, overall? Should there be some level of Emotional Intelligence that moderates the ways in which people choose to criticize others?

I think the point of the video is sales for Switchfoot and Stirling and possibly to lay a guilt trip on those who criticize them so that they receive less criticism.
 
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...since I think their MESSAGE is clear enough

Perhaps you should have been clearer. This is a music video. A song. It is a lyrical paraphrase.

If the question is "how to deal with criticism?"... then this is what your question should have been.

Criticism is not "voices in your head". It is others people's voices. Other people's opinions.
Now, there is such a thing as "free speech". It is a very important topic, espcially in US culture, even if there are different opinions just what is or isn't meant by that term and in what way this "free" speech shouldn't be "free".
But the topic itself is still there.

Now your question "Should there be some level of Emotional Intelligence that moderates the ways in which people choose to criticize others?" is a valid one. But it doesn't have anything to do with the "voices in your head".
The answer is of course: "Yes, there should." But now the problem is: what levels, who decides on these levels, and how do we get other people to agree with that?

It is a valid question: "Should people consider how others perceive what they say, and adapt their words accordingly." I think it is a very valid question, especially in this context here. But I already know that you have some diverging opinions on that topic.

Still... no "voices in your head". If we dimiss the topic of mental illness and audible hallucinations... or even the option of supernatural outside influences... then this might be interpreted as "how do you personally interpret and process what you get from other people".

This again is an interesting question, but in this case, it is only the individuum who can find for themselves a solution. Over anyone else, you are the one who influences your own thoughts.
 
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I think the point of the video is sales for Switchfoot and Stirling and possibly to lay a guilt trip on those who criticize them so that they receive less criticism.

So, it's okay for a Christian to say some of the things that have been stated in the video? I mean to say that, even for myself, while I realize that some fellow human beings may very well be quite idiotic, I think that saying such should be reserved for only the most egregious examples of inhumanity rather than just casually flinging epithets across the internet simply because......................."we can."

Am I wrong to say so?
 
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So, it's okay for a Christian to say some of the things that have been stated in the video? I mean to say that, even for myself, while I realize that some fellow human beings may very well be quite idiotic, I think that saying such should be reserved for only the most egregious examples of inhumanity rather than just casually flinging epithets across the internet simply because......................."we can."

Am I wrong to say so?
Some Christians do say things that are both untrue as well as hurtful. Usually, if someone is even allowed to point that out, they get told off because of "religious freedom".

But again you have to differentiate because of "context".
I have no clue who this woman or this band is, or what discussions they are engaged in. But from the "content" of the video, I assume that some of it has to do with eating disorders.

Now we can say that claiming "you cannot be anorexic because you are too fat" is impolite and potentially even wrong... but it is within the topic. Unhelpful spam, perhaps, but on topic.
Now if we were to discard her points based on that she is a Mormon, or blonde, or a woman, or gay, or cannot play the violin... that would be "just casually flinging epithets"... attacks just for the sake of attacks.

Which would you say is the more egregious offence?
 
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So, it's okay for a Christian to say some of the things that have been stated in the video? I mean to say that, even for myself, while I realize that some fellow human beings may very well be quite idiotic, I think that saying such should be reserved for only the most egregious examples of inhumanity rather than just casually flinging epithets across the internet simply because......................."we can."

Am I wrong to say so?

Again, they are public figures so they need to learn to handle criticism. I may not agree with that criticism but it doesn’t change the fact that they are public figures so criticism will come.
 
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Perhaps you should have been clearer. This is a music video. A song. It is a lyrical paraphrase.

If the question is "how to deal with criticism?"... then this is what your question should have been.
By what moral principle 'should' my expression have relied upon a literal approach rather than a figurative one?

Criticism is not "voices in your head". It is others people's voices. Other people's opinions.
Now, there is such a thing as "free speech". It is a very important topic, espcially in US culture, even if there are different opinions just what is or isn't meant by that term and in what way this "free" speech shouldn't be "free".
But the topic itself is still there.
This is all quite true, but on the other side of the issue is the fact that one criticism made by Person A does not necessarily spring from the same kind of motive as a similar criticism by Person B. Motives do make a difference in what and why something was said, and some comments are bullying tactics, used to push and stab into other people's thinking spaces. So, maybe some folks should learn to better tend to the way in which they state their acerbic comments if they indeed support something even approximating a more 'humanitarian' approach to other people.

Now your question "Should there be some level of Emotional Intelligence that moderates the ways in which people choose to criticize others?" is a valid one. But it doesn't have anything to do with the "voices in your head".
The answer is of course: "Yes, there should." But now the problem is: what levels, who decides on these levels, and how do we get other people to agree with that?
Well, that's what this thread is for; we can consider different perspectives on what a more amiable form of criticism might entail.

It is a valid question: "Should people consider how others perceive what they say, and adapt their words accordingly." I think it is a very valid question, especially in this context here. But I already know that you have some diverging opinions on that topic.
Sure. We all have some degree of difference, but if we're all humanitarians here, shouldn't there be some kind of commonality as to what what a more humane and amiable approach could be?

Still... no "voices in your head". If we dimiss the topic of mental illness and audible hallucinations... or even the option of supernatural outside influences... then this might be interpreted as "how do you personally interpret and process what you get from other people".
I'm glad to see at least one person so far understanding the insinuation of the OP thread. I commend you.

This again is an interesting question, but in this case, it is only the individuum who can find for themselves a solution. Over anyone else, you are the one who influences your own thoughts.
Is this to say that there is a place for bullying and pushing one's agenda over others in our world, even if and when that bullying and/or agenda is offered up in "just so many words"?
 
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Again, they are public figures so they need to learn to handle criticism. I may not agree with that criticism but it doesn’t change the fact that they are public figures so criticism will come.

Define a 'public' figure? I'm sure it's clear. What if Stirling and Switchfoot weren't 'professional' performers but just ordinary folks but still received the same kind of acerbic evaluations from others? Would that still be okay?
 
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Some Christians do say things that are both untrue as well as hurtful. Usually, if someone is even allowed to point that out, they get told off because of "religious freedom".

But again you have to differentiate because of "context".
I have no clue who this woman or this band is, or what discussions they are engaged in. But from the "content" of the video, I assume that some of it has to do with eating disorders.

Now we can say that claiming "you cannot be anorexic because you are too fat" is impolite and potentially even wrong... but it is within the topic. Unhelpful spam, perhaps, but on topic.
Now if we were to discard her points based on that she is a Mormon, or blonde, or a woman, or gay, or cannot play the violin... that would be "just casually flinging epithets"... attacks just for the sake of attacks.

Which would you say is the more egregious offence?

One would have to locate my ethical standpoint first, and in my own standpoint what may or may not qualify as an offense will depend on my standpoint. However, if we're all 'humanitarian,' surely we can agree on some minimal amount of recognition as to what that could or should constitute. Or, can we?

So, let's see: biblically speaking, being blonde or a woman or being a bad violin player are usually not seen as offenses; being gay might or might not be, depending on exactly what details of all of that kind of activity and identity may or may not entail, and as for being a Mormon...........well, if traditional doctrine among Catholics, Orthodox, Anglican and various Protestant Christians is invoked, then we'd have to say that this last one is an error, although I don't know to what extent I'd call it an "offense."
 
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