THE TRUE "REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY/SUPERSESSIONISM" OF THE BIBLE

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Colossians 1:13-20 disagrees with you:
13 For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son,
14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.
17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.
18 He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.
19 For it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him,
20 and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.

If the kingdom isn't existent now, how can saints be "translated" into it?


No one is saying that the Kingdom is not yet in existence. We are already made members of the Kingdom by our faith in Christ. It is just that the Kingdom has not yet been extended to the earth and will not be until the return of Christ.
 
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No one is saying that the Kingdom is not yet in existence. We are already made members of the Kingdom by our faith in Christ. It is just that the Kingdom has not yet been extended to the earth and will not be until the return of Christ.
Let me say it this way:

The Kingdom already is...and the Kingdom is "not yet" when it comes to earth. That is understood from the Lord's model prayer "Your Kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven".
 
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......adding to what I posted above - what you've described here is actually support for the belief that God HAS established His Kingdom already, as us amillennialists believe - and is actively building His Kingdom through His People.

Hidden But Now Revealed <--------Link to Book by G.K. Beale & Benjamin Gladd


God has had a kingdom since eternity past! And yes we as the church are ambassadors to that kingdom. But there is a physical kingdom coming on earth at Jesus physical return which I have provided many verses showing that is to happen!

And what is happening now as the Scriptures has declared in both Testaments is God calling out of the gentiles a people for Himself! Once that full number of gentiles is come in then god saves all Israel on earth at that time.

That will happen 3 days before Jesus returns at Petra as Scriptures declare.

Strongs is awesome to learn the definition of a word. But if you want to know what the verb is saying, y9ou need a parsing guide. There are 580 verb endings in Greek and each has its own meaning!
 
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Not one English version (including Darby) translates the Greek as "is coming".

Are you reading from the round file version again?

Well why don't you do some real work and parse the verb? is come is first off horrendous English (as KJV translates as well as 6 others) the rest translate it as past which is simply wrong! I showed the verb and its voice mood and tense and it could never be translated as past. That fact that it is a participle and the "ed" ending cannot be added- then the "ing" ending must be added rendering it a future event!

It is your thinking on this that needs to be round filed!
 
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How tragic.

If you're a dispensationalist, you've just been informed that you are not a citizen of the kingdom described here:

Matthew 3
1 In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,
2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Matthew 4
17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

Matthew 6
33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Matthew 9
35 And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.

Matthew 10
7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Mark 1
14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.


Instead, you've all been diverted into some other mythical mystical kingdom.

Since it's a mystery, you don't understand anything about it.

Imagine that.

Jesus had a sense of humor.

Matthew 23
24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

He would have enjoyed the joke of “the mystery form of the kingdom”.

I will have to assume you have not been reading the bible for a long time or are very unfamiliar with the OT. so let me explain.

Jesus came to die for the sins of the World. Absolutely! But First He came to offer the kingdom long promised by His Father to the nation of Israel first! The kingdom for Israel was the subject of much prophesy in the OT. Just like it was prophesied they would reject it and it would be postponed!

When you read the these passages- you should know that this was only a message for Jews. Jesus even instructed the apostles to not go to any gentiles but to go to the house of Israel and tell the kingdom of God is at hand! W@hen Israel's leaders rejected it in Matt. 12 it was postponed to a future generation!

It wasn't until after MAtt. 12 that Jesus started teaching in parables to hide what was to take place henceforth. and to teach the apostles to build the church! Even Paul called the church a mystery in the old revealed in the new!

So your understanding is very skewed from accurate by whoever told you these things!

Even the Apostles in Acts 2 asked if Jesus was going to establish the Jewish kingdom? Jesus didn't tell them -that kingdom is finished, but that the timong was in the Fathers hands and they had a different task to do!
 
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The understanding of the 144,000 sealed is they are "The Israel of God"...people from every tribe, nation, kindred, and tongue. Therefore, it doesn't matter.

So when God inspired John to go into great detail to describe the 144,000:


3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.

6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.

7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.

8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

YOu are saying God was less than accurate????

Should we be grateful to you and the Watchtower for giving us what god actually meant when He inspired these 6 verses??????????
 
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Where's the mystery?

The mystery is with the allegorists and the preterists and the amillenialists who can't see that God has clearly said that Jesus is going to establish an earthly kingdom and it will last 1,000 years!
 
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The mystery is with the allegorists and the preterists and the amillenialists who can't see that God has clearly said that Jesus is going to establish an earthly kingdom and it will last 1,000 years!

You referred in a previous post to "the mystery form of the kingdom".

The word "mystery" does not appear in any Scripture that you cited.

In what Scripture do we find "the mystery form of the kingdom"?
 
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Well why don't you do some real work and parse the verb? is come is first off horrendous English (as KJV translates as well as 6 others) the rest translate it as past which is simply wrong! I showed the verb and its voice mood and tense and it could never be translated as past. That fact that it is a participle and the "ed" ending cannot be added- then the "ing" ending must be added rendering it a future event!

It is your thinking on this that needs to be round filed!

Astounding.

The collective unanimous wisdom of fifty translators is "simply wrong".

What a relief to have found the truth.

Before it's too late.
 
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The kingdom for Israel was the subject of much prophesy in the OT.

The correct word is the noun "prophecy". How did you, an English expert, miss that?

Just like it was prophesied they would reject it and it would be postponed!

Where?

Colossians 1
12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Present tense.

No rejection.

No postponement.

Are you giving thanks unto the Father for translating you into the kingdom of his dear Son?
 
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Let me say it this way:

The Kingdom already is...and the Kingdom is "not yet" when it comes to earth. That is understood from the Lord's model prayer "Your Kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven".


I would agree in the sense that the Kingdom dwells in us by the indwelling of Christ through the Holy Spirit as we are made representatives of that Kingdom whose rule will finally be made manifest on the earth, but the rule of the Kingdom will not yet be made manifest on the earth until Christ returns to enforce the rule of His Kingdom on the earth.

It is then we will finally see Him on the throne of David as it is foretold. It is then that we see the reclaiming of the title deed of the earth from Satan who usurp that title deed from Adam when he led Adam and Eve into disobeying God when he tempted Eve into eating the forbidden fruit which she then gave to Adam.

It is then when sin came into the world and then death and the curse as a result that Satan claimed lordship over the world; hence the reason why he is called the prince and even god of this present world.

Yet when the Messiah came the first time, he declared the prince of the world cast out and therefore, Satan's days in the world have been numbered. The death and resurrection of Christ has made it a sure thing that Satan will not have any place in the earth forever.

For thousands of years we have seen the earth under the dominion of Satan. But when Christ returns, we will then see what the world is like under His dominion and it is the establishment of His rulership on the earth that will make His reclamation of the title deed that was once lost to be without question.
 
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Colossians 1
12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Present tense.

No rejection.

No postponement.

Are you giving thanks unto the Father for translating you into the kingdom of his dear Son?
A better translation of Colossians 1:12 is:
Give joyful thanks to the Father who has made you fit to share in the heritage of God's people in the Kingdom of light. REBible [my favorite Bible verse]

This verse does NOT say the Kingdom is on earth now; it is our Christian inheritance, to be fulfilled when Jesus Returns.
 
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You referred in a previous post to "the mystery form of the kingdom".

The word "mystery" does not appear in any Scripture that you cited.

In what Scripture do we find "the mystery form of the kingdom"?

13. The Mysteries of the Kingdom | Bible.org

MArk 4:11 Berean Study Bible
He replied, “The mystery of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to those on the outside everything is expressed in parables,

Ephesians 3 King James Version (KJV)
3 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,

2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;

9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

Colossians 1:26-28 King James Version (KJV)
26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

Quite simply- the mystery form of the kingdom is that Gentiles are fellowheirs with Jews and partakers of the Spiritual blessings promised to the Jews!

Eph 2

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

Here is a good site that gives a pretty good narrative of the kingdom parables. Once again this form of the kingdom was a mystery in the Old, revealed in the new!

Seven Short Kingdom Parables - Parables That Jesus Told
 
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You referred in a previous post to "the mystery form of the kingdom".

The word "mystery" does not appear in any Scripture that you cited.

In what Scripture do we find "the mystery form of the kingdom"?

But as to Israel still to receive a kingdom:

Or consider the dual promises of judgement and blessing in Micah 3:12-4:2:

Therefore because of you Zion shall be plowed like a field, Jerusalem shall become heaps of ruins, And the mountain of the temple like the bare hills of the forest. Now it shall come to pass in the latter days That the mountain of the LORD’s house shall be established on the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; And peoples shall flow to it. Many nations shall come and say, “Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, To the house of the God of Jacob; He will teach us His ways, And we shall walk in His paths.” For out of Zion the law shall go forth, And the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

Isaiah 1:21-26 21 How the faithful city [Jerusalem] has become a harlot! It was full of justice; Righteousness lodged in it, But now murderers. 22 Your silver has become dross, Your wine mixed with water. 23 Your princes are rebellious, 2 And companions of thieves; Everyone loves bribes, And follows after rewards. They do not defend the fatherless, Nor does the cause of the widow come before them. 24 Therefore the Lord says, The LORD of hosts, the Mighty One of Israel, "Ah, I will rid Myself of My adversaries, And take vengeance on My enemies. 25 I will turn My hand against you, And thoroughly purge away your dross, And take away all your alloy. [Babylonian captivity] 26 I will restore your judges as at the first, And your counselors as at the beginning. Afterward you shall be called the city of righteousness, the faithful city."

Jeremiah 23:5-8 5 "Behold, the days are coming," says the LORD, "That I will raise to David a Branch of righteousness; A King shall reign and prosper, And execute judgment and righteousness in the earth. 6 In His days Judah will be saved, And Israel will dwell safely; Now this is His name by which He will be called: THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS. 7 "Therefore, behold, the days are coming," says the LORD, "that they shall no longer say, 'As the LORD lives who brought up the children of Israel from the land of Egypt,' 8 but, 'As the LORD lives who brought up and led the descendants of the house of Israel from the north country and from all the countries where I had driven them.' And they shall dwell in their own land."

“The Lord will set Himself the task of recovering for the second time [the first was at the Exodus from Egypt] the surviving remnant of His people, those who are left, from Assyria and Egypt, Pathos, Cush, Elam, Shinar, Hamath and the coastlands of the sea. He will raise an ensign for the nations and assemble the outcasts of Israel and the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth...And the Lord will completely destroy the tongue of the sea of Egypt. He will wave His hand over the river and His scorching wind will divide it into seven channels so that people may cross dryshod. And the Egyptians will serve with the Assyrians. In that day Israel will be the third nation with Egypt and Assyria, as a blessing at the center of the earth. The Lord of Hosts will bless them and say, ‘Blessed be Egypt My people, and Assyria the work of My hands, and Israel My inheritance” (11:11, 12, 15; 19:24-25).

“The glory of the Lord will be revealed, and all flesh will see it together...The Message of our God will stand forever. You who herald the Good News to Zion, get up into a high mountain. You who bring the Good News to Jerusalem, lift up your voice with strength. Do not be afraid. Tell the cities of Judah, 'Behold your God! He will come with a strong hand to rule, bringing His reward with Him'” (40:5-10).

“The Lord God who gathers the outcasts of Israel says: I will gather others to him...And the redeemer will come to Zion and to those who turn from transgression in Jacob. The abundance of the sea will be converted to you; the wealth of the Gentiles will come to you...In my wrath I struck you, but in my favor I had mercy on you. For the nation and Kingdom which will not serve you will perish; those nations will indeed be ruined...The sons of those who afflicted you will come and bow before you. All those who despised you will prostrate themselves at your feet...Violence will be no more heard in your land; there will be no more devastation or destruction within your borders...Your people will all be righteous and they will inherit the land forever...You who make mention of the Lord, do not keep silent. Give Him no rest until He establishes Jerusalem and makes it a praise in the earth” (55:8; 59:20; 60:5, 10, 12, 14, 18, 21; 62:6-7).

“Break forth into joy. Sing together, desolate places of Jerusalem. For the Lord has comforted His people and redeemed Jerusalem. The Lord has bared His holy arm in the sight of all the nations. And the whole earth will see the salvation of our God” (52:9-10).

“All the corners of the globe will remember and turn to the Lord and all the families of the nations will worship in your presence. For the Kingdom belongs to the Lord and He is the governor among the nations” (22:27, 18). “He makes wars to cease throughout the whole earth” (46:9). “Let them know that God rules in Jacob to the ends of the earth” (59:13). “All the earth will worship you and sing to you” (66:4)...for you will rule the people righteously and govern the nations upon earth” (67:4). “Because of your Temple at Jerusalem, kings will bring presents to you” (68:29). “He will have dominion from sea to sea and from the river to the ends of the earth...Yes, all kings will fall down before Him, all nations will serve Him” (72:8, 11). “Arise, O God, rule the earth, for you will inherit all nations” (82:8). “For He is coming to rule the earth. He will rule the world with righteousness, and the people with His Truth" (96:13). (Paul quotes this psalm to the people at Athens as a prophecy of the return of Jesus to reign in the Kingdom: Acts 17:31.) “The Lord is reigning. Let the earth rejoice” (97:1). “He has remembered His covenant forever, the Message which He commanded to a thousand generations, the Covenant which He made with Abraham, and His oath with Isaac...saying, ‘To you I will give the land of Canaan, the lot of your inheritance'” (Ps. 105:8-11).

These have yet to be fulfilled and must be!

Also the promise that Israel would be brought back to her nation in the latter days:

Ezekiel 38 King James Version (KJV)
38 And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,

2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,

3 And say, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:

4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:

5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:

6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.

7 Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them.

8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.
 
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But as to Israel still to receive a kingdom:

8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.
This prophecy does not apply to the current Jewish State of Israel.
Proved by Ezekiel 38:11-12, where God's faithful Christian people are living in all of the holy Land, undefended and under the Lord's protection.

Only faithful Christian believers are the real Israelites of God.
 
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A better translation of Colossians 1:12 is:
Give joyful thanks to the Father who has made you fit to share in the heritage of God's people in the Kingdom of light. REBible [my favorite Bible verse]

This verse does NOT say the Kingdom is on earth now; it is our Christian inheritance, to be fulfilled when Jesus Returns.

Colossians 1:13 does not reveal specifically where the kingdom resides.

But it does reveal specifically that we're in it.

Already has been fulfilled.

Nothing to be fulfilled.
 
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So when God inspired John to go into great detail to describe the 144,000:


3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.

6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.

7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.

8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

YOu are saying God was less than accurate????

Should we be grateful to you and the Watchtower for giving us what god actually meant when He inspired these 6 verses??????????
If you read properly...John only heard the 144,000. It was when he turned to look that he saw who they were. You see....you just can't take those 6 verses. Verses 9-12 count too:

9 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands;
10 and they cry out with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb.”
11 And all the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures; and they fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God,
12 saying, “Amen, blessing and glory and wisdom and thanksgiving and honor and power and might, be to our God forever and ever. Amen.”


This is a common pattern in Revelation John hears something said...then he turns to look and sees what that which he heard represents. The 144,000 represents the fullness of God's people.
 
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I would agree in the sense that the Kingdom dwells in us by the indwelling of Christ through the Holy Spirit as we are made representatives of that Kingdom whose rule will finally be made manifest on the earth, but the rule of the Kingdom will not yet be made manifest on the earth until Christ returns to enforce the rule of His Kingdom on the earth.

It is then we will finally see Him on the throne of David as it is foretold. It is then that we see the reclaiming of the title deed of the earth from Satan who usurp that title deed from Adam when he led Adam and Eve into disobeying God when he tempted Eve into eating the forbidden fruit which she then gave to Adam.

It is then when sin came into the world and then death and the curse as a result that Satan claimed lordship over the world; hence the reason why he is called the prince and even god of this present world.

Yet when the Messiah came the first time, he declared the prince of the world cast out and therefore, Satan's days in the world have been numbered. The death and resurrection of Christ has made it a sure thing that Satan will not have any place in the earth forever.

For thousands of years we have seen the earth under the dominion of Satan. But when Christ returns, we will then see what the world is like under His dominion and it is the establishment of His rulership on the earth that will make His reclamation of the title deed that was once lost to be without question.
I can't agree that the earth is under the dominion of Satan. That would deny Jesus His full authority given Him by the Father. Satan goes as far as Jesus allows Him to. Just as before Satan was kicked out of heaven after Jesus made His sacfrice for our sins. Earth was the only place for him and he is included in the plan of God.

Jesus has dominion of all things!!!
 
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So when God inspired John to go into great detail to describe the 144,000:


3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.

6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.

7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.

8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

YOu are saying God was less than accurate????

Should we be grateful to you and the Watchtower for giving us what god actually meant when He inspired these 6 verses??????????

The Church and the 144,000

Revelation 7:3-4 describe the 144,000 as “sealed.” That description is reserved in the NT for believers in Christ – His Body and Bride – the Church:

2 Corinthians 1:21-22
Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and anointed us is God, who also sealed us and gave us the Spirit in our hearts as a pledge.

Ephesians 1:13
In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 4:30
Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.


The Revelation 7 passage is therefore conveying the insight that the OT Israelitish faithful saints of God are included under the NT banner of the Church. This is further confirmed by the meanings of the names of the listed tribes and substitutes (Levi and Joseph replacing Dan and Ephraim), describing spiritual qualities and experiences of those who comprise the Church:
Similarly, the meanings of the names of Dan and Ephraim convey the reasons for their exclusion:
Satan in the guise of the serpent was responsible for the fall of mankind in Genesis 3, and for the bruising of Messiah's heel in Scripture's first recorded prophecy of Genesis 3:15. It was the same serpent Satan whose head Messiah bruised at Calvary.
  • Ephraim means “fruitful in the land of mine affliction” (Genesis 41:52)
The reference to “the land of mine affliction” in Ephraim's name's meaning is to that of Egypt, which in Scripture is both a literal and spiritual reality and symbol of bondage. But the Church, God's Chosen People, do not inhabit a land of spiritual affliction and bondage. Rather, they inhabit the Heavenly Jerusalem on Mount Sion (Hebrews 12:22,23), located in the Heavenly Country that God has prepared for the faithful (Hebrews 11:16).

Of additional significance is the order in which the names are presented, differing from the usual presentation by order of birth. In particular, Judah appears first, in recognition of its role as the tribal progenitor of Christ, the Lion of Judah.

While rebellion and apostasy were repetitive afflictions of the OT Israelites, there were still thousands who remained faithful (1 Kings 19:18). Their number is depicted as 12, a scriptural value representing faithfulness; multiplied by 12, representing the faithful from each of the twelve tribes; multiplied by 1,000 representing the indeterminate but large number (Psalms 50:10; Psalms 91:7; Revelation 5:11) of the total faithful in Israel; thus, 144,000.

Revelation 14 continues the descriptions further reflecting the qualities and experiences of the redeemed – the Church. Absent here is any mention of tribal, ethnic, or other distinctions, thus conveying the reality of the inclusivity and oneness of the NT Church which now embraces both Israelite and Gentile. Its number can also be depicted as 12, representing faithfulness; multipled by 12 representing the 12 faithful apostles, who with the prophets comprise the foundation of the NT church, with Christ as the Chief Cornerstone (Ephesians 2:20); multiplied by 1,000 representing the indeterminate but large number of the total faithful in the NT Church; thus, also 144,000.

The NT Church's inclusivity and oneness are declared in the following:

Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Ephesians 2:14
For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall…

Colossians 3:11
Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.


The 144,00 are described as celibate, meaning that as the Bride of Christ, they are not defiled by adultery with the world (James 4:4). They sing a new song of deliverance and victory. They follow Christ wherever He goes. Their residence is heavenly Jerusalem on Mount Zion. (Hebrews 12:22)

No doubt about it…the Church is written all over the 144,000.
 
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This prophecy does not apply to the current Jewish State of Israel.
Proved by Ezekiel 38:11-12, where God's faithful Christian people are living in all of the holy Land, undefended and under the Lord's protection.

Only faithful Christian believers are the real Israelites of God.

And you got this revelation how??? did God give you a phone call on His hot line?

Funny but if you read the bible without the special eyeglasses-- it is exactly the current stateof Israel, they fit all the criteria- scattered around the world, still in unbelief, brought back to be purged of unbelievers (so I guess to you faithful believers are not real believers)

And on and on. YOu are not quoting Scripture, but someone's private persona interpretation of Scripture!

2 Peter 1:19-21 King James Version (KJV)
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

2 Peter 3:16
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.


The Body of Christ does not need special gurus who say they know what God really meant when He inspired these things!
 
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