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Why do you keep on saying there could be a 'rapture'? That idea is just a fable and never said to happen in the Bible. Your avatar shows how confused and in error you are in this.

It is plain to anyone reading Revelation 12:6-9, that Satan is thrown out of heaven as soon as the faithful Christians are taken to their place of safety. On earth.
At day 1260 of the final 7 years before Jesus Returns, the day the Anti-Christ desecrates the Temple.
Keras,

Please use one asterisks to place where on the 7 year timeline that you think that Satan will be cast down to have the time, times, half time left in Revelation 12, *.

(you can do a copy and paste of the un-annotated timeline below, in your post. But put the asterisks where you think is the right place)

Day 1_____________________________________________________Day 2520

If you are unwilling to do that, start another thread on whatever topic you want.
 
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All of that is another topic for another thread.
But unless people understand who it is that Revelation 12:6-17 is talking about, then confusion reigns.
That it refers to God's plans for every faithful Christian is proved by verse 17.

Re your post 21, I have explained where I believe Satan will come and take over the leader of the OWG, Revelation 13:3-4; at the mid point - 1260 days. Then he will rule the world for the final 1260 days.
But the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls of the GT take place then, so it will be rough time for him!
 
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But unless people understand who it is that Revelation 12:6-17 is talking about, then confusion reigns.
That it refers to God's plans for every faithful Christian is proved by verse 17.

Re your post 21, I have explained where I believe Satan will come and take over the leader of the OWG, Revelation 13:3-4; at the mid point - 1260 days. Then he will rule the world for the final 1260 days.
But the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls of the GT take place then, so it will be rough time for him!

Keras,

The topic is about when Satan is cast down to earth on the 7 year timeline, to have a time, times, half times left. The topic is not when Satan will come and take over anyone.

Marilyn in her post #4 was able to post her view on where on the 7 year timeline.

I don't want verbage only. I want to see graphical representation on the timeline.

If you want to talk about another topic, then start another thread.
 
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Marilyn, I would say that the period of saying "peace and safety" follows Gog/Magog when the prince who shall come from Europe will be perceived by the Jews as the messiah and anointed the King of Israel.

That will set the stage for the falling away on a mass scale of persons believing that Jesus is the messiah in the initial part of the 7 years. Should the rapture take place before the 7 years begin, that could play a major part in the falling away as well.

I would not say the beginning years of the Day of the Lord is at the beginning of the 7 years. But well into the 7 years, as the world buys into the Antichirst being thought to be the real messiah.

I would say the beginning years of the Day of the Lord will be about 3 years into the 7 years, when totally unexpected, the Antichrist, perceived messiah, goes into the temple, sits, claims to have achieved God-hood. The 2Thessalonians2:4 act is what will trigger the beginning years of the Day of the Lord.

The Day of the Lord actually lasts for eternity. But what we are looking at in the immediate future is the beginning years, which are going to be a time of extreme hardship for them on earth.

My view....

Day 1_______________^___^^____*__1_2_3_4___**______***_____Day 2520

^ beginning of the Day of the Lord.
^^ beginning of the Great Tribulation
* Satan cast down
** Flesh tormenting locust
*** the killing of one third of mankind

1,2,3,4 trumpets

`The great Day of the Lord is near; it is near and hastens quickly. The noise of the Day of the Lord is bitter; there the mighty men cry out.

That Day is a day of wrath, a Day of trouble and distress,
A day of devastation and desolation,
A day of darkness and gloominess,
A day of clouds and thick darkness,
A day of trumpet and alarm....` (Zephaniah 1: 14 - 16)


`Blow a trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holt mountain! Let all the inhabitants of the land tremble; for the Day of the Lord is coming, for it is at hand:
A day of darkness and gloominess,
A day of clouds and thick darkness....` (Joel 2: 1 & 2)


`For you yourselves know perfectly that the Day of the Lord so comes like a thief in the night. For when they say `Peace & Safety,` THEN SUDDEN DESTRUCTION comes upon them, as labour pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape.` (1 Thess. 5: 2 & 3)

Thus we see that the Day of the Lord starts when they say Peace & Safety,` and the Day starts with SUDDEN DESTRUCTION.

It is after the Russian War, (Joel 2) that the Peace Treaty is signed, and then SUDDEN DESTRUCTION, for the Day of the Lord has begun, as labour pains, suddenly painful and then increasing in intensity.

....war/PT/sudden destruction.........................>
.........Day of the Lord....................................>
 
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Marilyn, I would say that the period of saying "peace and safety" follows Gog/Magog

I would not say the beginning years of the Day of the Lord is at the beginning of the 7 years. But well into the 7 years, as the world buys into the Antichirst being thought to be the real messiah.

Just a thought on your comment there. The `Sudden Destruction` is not dependent on the A/C and his deception. The `Sudden Destruction` of the Day of the Lord is from God who is pouring out His vengeance upon a rebellious world.

`Behold, the Lord comes out of His place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity;...` (Isa. 26: 21)
 
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It is after the Russian War, (Joel 2) that the Peace Treaty is signed, and then SUDDEN DESTRUCTION, for the Day of the Lord has begun, as labour pains, suddenly painful and then increasing in intensity.
Why do you think a peace treaty has to be signed after Gog/Magog?
 
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Just a thought on your comment there. The `Sudden Destruction` is not dependent on the A/C and his deception. The `Sudden Destruction` of the Day of the Lord is from God who is pouring out His vengeance upon a rebellious world.

`Behold, the Lord comes out of His place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity;...` (Isa. 26: 21)
The sudden destruction is the persecution that will come to the Jews when they react to the Antichrist's claim of having achieved God-hood, sitting in the temple, in the place intended for God - by rejecting him at that point on the 7 year timeline. And stretches out over 3 1/2 years until Jesus returns.

The Day of the Lord beginning years include God's wrath upon a rebellious world, as you say. The bowls of God's wrath will take place during that time, times, half time period. But it is Satan, the beast, the false prophet who persecute, make war against, and try to destroy the saints.
 
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Please use one asterisks to place where on the 7 year timeline that you think that Satan will be cast down to have the time, times, half time left in Revelation 12, *.

(you can do a copy and paste of the un-annotated timeline below, in your post. But put the asterisks where you think is the right place)

Day 1_____________________________________________________Day 2520

My view...

Day 1___________________________*__________________________Day 2520

Day 1_______________________1261* ______________________Day 2520 Satan cast down.

Day 1________________________________________5th Trumpet*________Day 2520

The 5th Trumpet lasts 5 Months so its 150 days PLUS the two witnesses die 75 days before the Beast dies at the 6th Trumpet. So the 5th Trumpet is 225 Days before the Second Coming and the 6th Trumpet is 75 days before the Second Coming.

Day 1_________________________________________________6th Trumpet__Day 2520

Satan is cast down on Day 1261.......The 5th Trumpet sounds on day 2295 and the 6th Trumpet sounds on day 2445.
 
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Day 1_______________________1261* ______________________Day 2520 Satan cast down.

Day 1________________________________________5th Trumpet*________Day 2520

The 5th Trumpet lasts 5 Months so its 150 days PLUS the two witnesses die 75 days before the Beast dies at the 6th Trumpet. So the 5th Trumpet is 225 Days before the Second Coming and the 6th Trumpet is 75 days before the Second Coming.

Day 1_________________________________________________6th Trumpet__Day 2520

Satan is cast down on Day 1261.......The 5th Trumpet sounds on day 2295 and the 6th Trumpet sounds on day 2445.
Do you agree with this general placement?

Day 1___________________________*__1_2_3_4___**______***_____Day 2520

* Satan cast down
** Flesh tormenting locust
*** the killing of one third of mankind

1,2,3,4 trumpets
 
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The sudden destruction is the persecution that will come to the Jews when they react to the Antichrist's claim of having achieved God-hood, sitting in the temple, in the place intended for God - by rejecting him at that point on the 7 year timeline. And stretches out over 3 1/2 years until Jesus returns.

The Day of the Lord beginning years include God's wrath upon a rebellious world, as you say. The bowls of God's wrath will take place during that time, times, half time period. But it is Satan, the beast, the false prophet who persecute, make war against, and try to destroy the saints.

And your scriptural proof for that?

Remember God`s word says `when they say peace & safety,` so that is not the Jews reacting to the A/C.
 
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And your scriptural proof for that?

Remember God`s word says `when they say peace & safety,` so that is not the Jews reacting to the A/C.
Perhaps I was not clear or maybe you misunderstood what I wrote.

There are gaps that have to be filled when the information is not stated in the bible. For example, you are filling in that the covenant in Daniel 9:27 is a peace treaty. I don't think it is a peace treaty, but the Mt. Sinai covenant. I see no reason for a peace treaty after Gog/Magog because all of Israel's enemies will have been destroyed.

I am filling in that when the Antichrist commits the act in 2Thessalonians2:4 , the Jews will reject him at that point from continuing as the King of Israel. When for that reason of rejection, he begins to persecute them. The part in blue is not stated in the bible.

We are kinda drifting off course of the original post. Perhaps you could start another thread of when you think the Day of the Lord years begin, on the 7year timeline.
 
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Do you agree with this general placement?

Day 1___________________________*__1_2_3_4___**______***_____Day 2520

* Satan cast down
** Flesh tormenting locust
*** the killing of one third of mankind

1,2,3,4 trumpets
Satan is cast down on day 1261, all 6 Seals are opened on day 1261. Then the 5th Trump is blown on day 2295 and the 6th Trump is blown on day 2445.

The Locust are just Demons IMHO, who are around fr 5 months on the 5th Trumpets sound.

1/3 are killed during the 6th Trump, but the Two-witnesses die during the 6th Trump also.
 
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From a folio cataloged as Yahuda MS 7.3g, f. 13v Isaac Newton declares....

"So then the time times & half a time are 42 months or 1260 days or three years & an half, reckoning twelve months to a year & 30 days to a month as was done in the Calendar of the primitive year. And the days of short lived Beasts being put for the years of lived kingdoms, the period of 1260 days, if dated from the complete conquest of the three kings A.C. 800, will end A.C. 2060.”" - – Isaac Newton

This not to declare a timeline or date pick a future event as Isaac Newton goes on to say....

“It may end later, but I see no reason for its ending sooner. This I mention not to assert when the time of the end shall be, but to put a stop to the rash conjectures of fancifull men who are frequently predicting the time of the end, & by doing so bring the sacred prophesies into discredit as often as their predictions fail. Christ comes as a thief in the night, & it is not for us to know the times & seasons which God hath put into his own breast." –- Isaac Newton
 
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"So then the time times & half a time are 42 months or 1260 days or three years & an half,
Well, Issaac Newton got that part wrong, because the 42 months, the 1260 days, the time, times, half times in Revelation are not exact equivalents to each other, although close. But that is a topic for another thread.

Where on the 7 year timeline did Isaac Newton place Satan cast down to earth to have a time, times, half time left? Did Isaac Newton acknowledge Satan cast down as the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth?
 
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Satan is cast down on day 1261, all 6 Seals are opened on day 1261. Then the 5th Trump is blown on day 2295 and the 6th Trump is blown on day 2445.

The Locust are just Demons IMHO, who are around fr 5 months on the 5th Trumpets sound.

1/3 are killed during the 6th Trump, but the Two-witnesses die during the 6th Trump also.
RT, are you saying you think the seal events all begin on the day 1261 ?
 
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Perhaps I was not clear or maybe you misunderstood what I wrote.

There are gaps that have to be filled when the information is not stated in the bible. For example, you are filling in that the covenant in Daniel 9:27 is a peace treaty. I don't think it is a peace treaty, but the Mt. Sinai covenant. I see no reason for a peace treaty after Gog/Magog because all of Israel's enemies will have been destroyed.

I am filling in that when the Antichrist commits the act in 2Thessalonians2:4 , the Jews will reject him at that point from continuing as the King of Israel. When for that reason of rejection, he begins to persecute them. The part in blue is not stated in the bible.

We are kinda drifting off course of the original post. Perhaps you could start another thread of when you think the Day of the Lord years begin, on the 7year timeline.


Would we be kinda drifting off course from the OP if I were to ask the following?

Revelation 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Where on the timeline do you see verse 13 fitting? And how much of the timeline would it be fitting? IOW, how much time does verse 13 involve before it leads to verses 14 through 16? And speaking of those verses, where do you see a time, and times, and half a time, fitting on the timeline? It can't be before verse 13.

And finally, where do you see verse 17 fitting on your timeline? IMO, what I have underlined in verse 17 sounds like the following in Revelation 13 that I have underlined.

Revelation 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

Revelation 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.


I would think, a time, times, and half a time, is the same amount of time as is 42 months. This would be basing these things on 30 day months times 12 months in a year.

a time, times, and half a time----360 days(1 year)+720 days(2 years)+180 days(1/2 year)=1260 days. 1260 days divided by a 30 day month = 42 months.
 
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I see no reason for a peace treaty after Gog/Magog because all of Israel's enemies will have been destroyed.

I thought several nations have or have had a peace treaty even when they were friends/ on the same side?
Does a treaty
(by definition or in practice)
have to be between enemies only?

I am filling in that when the Antichrist commits the act in 2Thessalonians2:4 , the Jews will reject him at that point from continuing as the King of Israel. When for that reason of rejection, he begins to persecute them. The part in blue is not stated in the bible.
I believe all the saved Jews will never accept him , per se, even at first as king of Israel.
And all the saved Jews, and all the saved gentiles,
are already being actively persecuted all over the earth.
 
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Please use one asterisks to place where on the 7 year timeline that you think that Satan will be cast down to have the time, times, half time left in Revelation 12, *.

(you can do a copy and paste of the un-annotated timeline below, in your post. But put the asterisks where you think is the right place)

Day 1_____________________________________________________Day 2520

My view...

Day 1___________________________*__________________________Day 2520


The question is meaningless. There is no "casting down" of Satan that remains in the future, if you mean that Satan will be cast out of heaven and be confined to earth. Satan will be bound for a thousand years, and Satan will be thrown into the Lake of Fire at the Final Judgment, but that's a different matter.
 
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RT, are you saying you think the seal events all begin on the day 1261 ?
Yes, all 6 happen on day 1261, that leaves 1260 days for the First Four being the AC/Beast to accomplish those four things, {Conquer, War by taking away Peace, Famine via the Wars and Death and the Grave via all of these things}. Then the 5th Seal is also the 1260 days of Martyrs by the Christian Gentile REMNANT spoken of in Rev. 12:17, the Jews {1/3) who repented are SAFE in Petra, the Jews {2/3} who do not repent will perish AND they don't have the testimony of Jesus, so NO Jews can be the REMNANT spoken of in verse 17. It is the Remnant Church, with the Church being in Heaven, Marrying the Lamb like Rev. 19 says.

Then the 6th Seal has to be opened on day 1261 also, Satan is cast down as the STARS in that passage, and he chases the Woman {Israel} for {BIG CLUE} 1260 Days !! Not 1000, not 500, but for 1260 days, so on the SAME DAY the White Horse Anti-Christ is RELEASED he also has to be cast down unto earth !!

Now as for the 7th Seal, it says they wait for 30 minutes in heaven after its opened, but we don't know when it is opened, this is really the 7 Trumpets that is allowed to go forth. It says these Trumpet Judgments are HELD UP until the 144,000 {I say that means the 1/3 of the Jews who repented} are sealed {SAFE in Petra}. So it might be opened on day 1261 also, since the Woman is protected for 1260 days, but that is not known for sure, the other 6 are known for sure via biblical verses.
 
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