If evolution is true...

pitabread · Nov 16, 2019

Has anyone else noticed that when someone starts a question/argument with "if evolution is true..." that what follows invariably has nothing to do with how evolution actually works?

Why is that?

JackRT · Nov 16, 2019

pitabread said:
Has anyone else noticed that when someone starts a question/argument with "if evolution is true..." that what follows invariably has nothing to do with how evolution actually works?

Why is that?

I agree and in most cases the answer is one word --- ignorance. That person has likely gotten their information about evolution from sources that are either not authoritative or are deliberately misleading

OldWiseGuy · Nov 16, 2019

JackRT said:
I agree and in most cases the answer is one word --- ignorance. That person has likely gotten their information about evolution from sources that are either not authoritative or are deliberately misleading

Or we have just pondered it for ourselves and came to that conclusion.

pitabread · Nov 16, 2019

OldWiseGuy said:
Or we have just pondered it for ourselves and came to that conclusion.

I find that those who "ponder it for themselves" don't seem to understand it. Why it that?

Besides, the OP isn't about conclusions though. It's about why people who ask questions beginning with "if evolution is true" invariably follow with something that suggests a lack of understanding of evolution.

Freodin · Nov 16, 2019

OldWiseGuy said:
Or we have just pondered it for ourselves and came to that conclusion.

If you have "pondered something for [your]self"... and then came to the conclusion that is something completely different from what all other people say it is... then it is safe to say that your ponderings weren't very good.

OldWiseGuy · Nov 16, 2019

pitabread said:
I find that those who "ponder it for themselves" don't seem to understand it. Why it that?

Besides, the OP isn't about conclusions though. It's about why people who ask questions beginning with "if evolution is true" invariably follow with something that suggests a lack of understanding of evolution.

Hard to understand that which cannot be understood.

OldWiseGuy · Nov 16, 2019

Freodin said:
If you have "pondered something for [your]self"... and then came to the conclusion that is something completely different from what all other people say it is... then it is safe to say that your ponderings weren't very good.

All other people?

I am admittedly, and happily so, in the minority in most areas.

bekkilyn · Nov 16, 2019

pitabread said:
Has anyone else noticed that when someone starts a question/argument with "if evolution is true..." that what follows invariably has nothing to do with how evolution actually works?

Why is that?

Some versions of Christianity teach against using the brain that God created for us.

pitabread · Nov 16, 2019

OldWiseGuy said:
Hard to understand that which cannot be understood.

You think biological evolution can't be understood? Really?

OldWiseGuy · Nov 16, 2019

bekkilyn said:
Some versions of Christianity teach against using the brain that God created for us.

If you accept some things on faith you can use your brain for other things.

"After thinking about all the crap I learned in high school, it's a wonder I can even think at all." -Paul Simon. (Corrected from "Neil" Simon.)

OldWiseGuy · Nov 16, 2019

pitabread said:
You think biological evolution can't be understood? Really?

Not fully understood apart from God. Whatever happens biologically is by design, not happenstance.

pitabread · Nov 16, 2019

OldWiseGuy said:
Not fully understood apart from God. Whatever happens biologically is by design, not happenstance.

Ah, so this is just a case of you projecting your own theological belief onto a subject. Got it.

Freodin · Nov 16, 2019

OldWiseGuy said:
All other people?

I am admittedly, and happily so, in the minority in most areas.

I see that it is a little hard to define. "Experts", I guess would be the best term... but what makes someone an "expert"?
Study? Experience? Community?

A lot of things, I guess, a topic that would be worth debating on its own.

But I do know:
If my car wasn't running, and someone told me that they had pondered this topic and came to the conclusion that it was baked to long and my hair was the wrong colour... I think I can say with certainty that this person is not an "expert" on cars.

OldWiseGuy · Nov 16, 2019

pitabread said:
Ah, so this is just a case of you projecting your own theological belief onto a subject. Got it.

Not projecting...overlaying.

pitabread · Nov 16, 2019

OldWiseGuy said:
Not projecting...overlaying.

No, it's projection.

OldWiseGuy · Nov 16, 2019

Freodin said:
I see that it is a little hard to define. "Experts", I guess would be the best term... but what makes someone an "expert"?
Study? Experience? Community?

A lot of things, I guess, a topic that would be worth debating on its own.

But I do know:
If my car wasn't running, and someone told me that they had pondered this topic and came to the conclusion that it was baked to long and my hair was the wrong colour... I think I can say with certainty that this person is not an "expert" on cars.

Too much reliance on so-called experts, especially in the most important areas of life; namely health, wealth, and happiness. I enjoy all of these, but if I listened to the experts I would be sick, broke, and miserable.

OldWiseGuy · Nov 16, 2019

pitabread said:
No, it's projection.

Works for me.

pitabread · Nov 16, 2019

OldWiseGuy said:
Too much reliance on so-called experts, especially in the most important areas of life; namely health and wealth.

Oh please let us not turn this into another political thread... the politics forum is down the hall.

Freodin · Nov 16, 2019

OldWiseGuy said:
Too much reliance on so-called experts, especially in the most important areas of life; namely health, wealth, and happiness.

That's one of the "ponderings" where I'd say your conclusion is not very good.

So there are "so-called" experts in some "most important" areas of life. They are wrong (in your opinion).
And that means that no experts anywhere exist, and everyones view on things is of equal value and relevance for every topic.

OldWiseGuy · Nov 16, 2019

pitabread said:
Oh please let us not turn this into another political thread... the politics forum is down the hall.

I was referring to the experts in those fields, not politics (politics is the art of compromising that which you know to be true).

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