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Just a reminder, I think that calling someone a leftist, especially when meant as on insult, is against the new goading rules. You might want to check it out.
Does "core liberal agenda' comply? How Do you point out some on one side without incriminating everyone on that side? Especially in a nation of the chronically offended?
 
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... hmmm....
one jot or tittle from TORAH ?

or a micro dot with megabytes of infomation stored in it ?

:)
Sometimes 'tis better to remain silent and be thought a fool... ;)
 
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The core liberal agenda pushes abdication of personal responsibility, and a sexual free-for-all. The core conservative agenda serves only one god, mammon, at the expense of the poor and working classes. And neither recognize any limits, legal or otherwise, to advancing their dogma.

Both positions are treasonous before God; And the actions taken in those pursuits are treasonous before the nation.
Oh, not Constitutional treason, biblical treason.
 
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Yup, even if it hurts Democratic chances in the general election.

I like the legal analogy. If the DA didn't think that he could win a case with the jury, then he wouldn't indict. Democrats in the House are ignoring this simple principle. The principle is NOT whether the prosecution thinks the defendant is guilty.

How "bad" is this going for Trump? I believe that Trump people and Republicans are considering whether to slow play the proceedings in the House (to the degree that they can) and in the Senate. After all, in the Senate, the situation is a TRIAL. The number of defense witnesses are not likely to be limited, at least not until there are dozens over months. Also, the cross-examination of prosecution witnesses could be extensive. Finally, there is no particular need to meet more than 2-3 times a week.

At first, McConnell was considering trying to get this over as soon as possible, certainly by the end of January. Now, it seems that this won't necessarily happen.

The Dems. knew from the start that the Rep. majority Senate would not convict Trump. And many, maybe even most, of us knew this as well.

But the Congress has the duty to investigate, impeach, and prosecute public officials at certain times and this appears to be one of them.
 
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I disagree.

The president has every right to DEFEND himself.
An ad hominem is not a defense of one's own actions, it's just a petty smearing of someone for speaking honestly.
 
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I disagree.

The president has every right to DEFEND himself.
Yes, If he's innocent, He can defend himself in court , by telling the truth. Not threatening someone on twitter. To try to intimidate witness.
 
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To my understanding, Yovanovitch already testified that she wanted to find out what was going on concerning rumors about her and about the Ukraine interference conspiracy, so she requested that some staff monitor conservative media outlets concerning this. This could be unfairly portrayed as using the embassy to spy on conservative media outlets.
 
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You must understand. For the Trump, to defend means tweeting, character assassination, and treating witnesses and potential witnesses.

Personally, I think that this is a waste of time. What is important is defeating Trump in November. Then, he can go to jail and join so many of those who he has hired.

An ad hominem is not a defense of one's own actions, it's just a petty smearing of someone for speaking honestly.
 
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To my understanding, Yovanovitch already testified that she wanted to find out what was going on concerning rumors about her and about the Ukraine interference conspiracy, so she requested that some staff monitor conservative media outlets concerning this. This could be unfairly portrayed as using the embassy to spy on conservative media outlets.

Trivia question.... what was the stack of documents hand delivered by President Erdogan of Turkey to Trump, that was handed over to Barr by Trump, entailing?
 
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General Flynn uncovered a massive Clinton scandal linked to terrorist funding. Fethullah Gulen. President Erdogan just provided proof an American terrorist organization that attempted a failed coup in Turkey. He speaks about it in his joint conference with Trump.


This terrorist organisation operates out of Pennsylvania and has business ties within the ukraine in the construction and energy sectors. They were involved in the coup on Viktor Yanukovych.

2 senior FETÖ figures brought to Turkey after intelligence operations in Azerbaijan, Ukraine

People in the FETÖ' organisation have ties with individuals we are discussing today.

BREAKING: General Flynn Uncovered Massive Clinton Scandal Linked to Terrorist Funding - Was Immediately Targeted by Obama Deep State

There is sooooo much more involved in this entire ordeal than a phone call. There are real reasons people are fighting like mad to remove Trump. And people within his cabinet.

This.... is a coup. Again. Just in America instead of someone else's country. This is right out of the regime change handbook that America has performed so well all over the world.
 
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You know, just because Trump used potential information for his own good instead of the country's, an impeachable act, it doesn't mean Biden's innocent. For all we know (?) Obama may have pressed the Ukrainians to withhold an investigation.

I don’t carry any torch for Joe Biden. I’ve seen absolutely no evidence that he did anything wrong, but if they wanted to do a full and fair investigation into the whole thing to make sure, hey why not. Top politicians need to be seen to be above reproach.

My only issue is with politicians being investigated as political attacks and with the media spin not evidence as their judge. The Democrats are calling people to testify who have knowledge of what happened with Trump and Ukraine. That’s an investigation. If the Republicans want to look at Biden then get some people with knowledge of wrongdoing to testify under oath about it. Because as long as it’s just media people and politicians spreading gossip and rumor it’s not worth a spit in the sea.
 
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You must understand. For the Trump, to defend means tweeting, character assassination, and treating witnesses and potential witnesses.

Kinda like crime-fighting means taking out political ads on Facebook rather than having the DoJ start criminal investigations.
 
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You know, just because Trump used potential information for his own good instead of the country's, an impeachable act, it doesn't mean Biden's innocent. For all we know (?) Obama may have pressed the Ukrainians to withhold an investigation.
We'd know more if Donald got his DoJ to investigate these alleged crimes.

Instead, he paid for some political ads against an election opponent. The same one he wanted to trade a weapons deal to a foreign government for in exchange for a press conference against the same guy.

Seems like even Donald isn't acting as if he believes Biden did anything illegal.
 
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