Hello everyone! My name is Benjamin Holliday. I am an avid End Times enthusiast. If you have any questions about the End Times feel free to ask me and I will answer the best I can. If you are interested I have a book on Amazon Kindle: The Revealing of Daniel and Revelation: A Detailed Study of the End Times.
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Speckofdust
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“12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.”
Daniel 12:12 (KJV)
What are for you these 1335 days? When do they start in relation to end times events?
Another question I have is how long do the saints have to wait until the rapture after the mark of the beast is implemented?
Thank you in advance.
Daniel 12:12 (KJV)
What are for you these 1335 days? When do they start in relation to end times events?
Another question I have is how long do the saints have to wait until the rapture after the mark of the beast is implemented?
Thank you in advance.
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Good questions.
To begin, the 1335 days are associated with the 3.5 years of Dan 12:7. These 3.5 years are the same as the 42 months of Revelation 13:5. The 1335 days are a part of the 1260 days and extend beyond them. Based on the precept set forth in Ezekiel 4:1-6 a prophetic day is a year of real time. And based on the fact 1260 days is 42 months on a 30 day per month scale, it can be seen an idealistic lunar calendar is used for prophesy.
Therefore, the 1335 days are representative of 1335 idealistic lunar years and when multiplied by 360 and divided by 365.25 you end up with 1315.811088 solar years.
It is my belief the abomination of desolation being placed in the temple of God is in reference to the true temple of God which was never a physical building, but mankind as Paul says. This is when the Pope ruled over the whole "world" unopposed. The Greek word world from Matthew 24:14 being oikoumene and meaning the extent of the Roman Empire. There were 3 Arian Christian nations taken out by Trinitarian Christian nations that encompassed the areas in which Rome once ruled. With their opposition out of the way the Catholic Church declared the only way to God was through them, and in doing that you had to go through the Pope. Therefore, when the Pope was established unopposed after the 3 different Christian nations were destroyed was the abomination placed in the temple.
The timeline starts with the inauguration of Pope Pelagius I on April 16th of 556 AD. To this is added the 1241.889117 solar years (1260 idealistic lunar years), which places the end of the reign of the beast from the sea on March 7th, 1798 and the end of the 1315.811088 solar years on approximately February 6th, 1872 (give a couple weeks both directions).
As far as anything special happening at that time, I think you could argue there would or wouldn't be something to mark it. Something I find interesting is that in 1872 the USA's economy overtook Britain's economy. It's also the year Charles Russell started up the International Bible Students Association. Although I will say that I am not a Jehovah's Witness, nor Seventh-Day Adventist for that manner. (I've never belonged to any denomination)
For the mark of the beast it needs to be realized the mark on the hand and forehead represent basically thoughts and actions, and that a lot of things can equal 666 when gematria is used. As far as two examples go, my ancestor said the Roman numerals in circulation at that time when added together equaled 666 and I also learned that the numerical equivalent of Christogram symbols (like the Chi Rho) can equal 666. Those who are not loyal to the beast will be exiled from common society, and I believe that over the course of the last 1000 years if you did not belong to Catholicism you were persecuted and hunted as a heretic.
As far as the rapture goes, I do not believe in one. If it is does happen it will be an allegorical representation of the internal rejuvenation of the Christian where they live in the world but are no longer of it.
Thoughts?
To begin, the 1335 days are associated with the 3.5 years of Dan 12:7. These 3.5 years are the same as the 42 months of Revelation 13:5. The 1335 days are a part of the 1260 days and extend beyond them. Based on the precept set forth in Ezekiel 4:1-6 a prophetic day is a year of real time. And based on the fact 1260 days is 42 months on a 30 day per month scale, it can be seen an idealistic lunar calendar is used for prophesy.
Therefore, the 1335 days are representative of 1335 idealistic lunar years and when multiplied by 360 and divided by 365.25 you end up with 1315.811088 solar years.
It is my belief the abomination of desolation being placed in the temple of God is in reference to the true temple of God which was never a physical building, but mankind as Paul says. This is when the Pope ruled over the whole "world" unopposed. The Greek word world from Matthew 24:14 being oikoumene and meaning the extent of the Roman Empire. There were 3 Arian Christian nations taken out by Trinitarian Christian nations that encompassed the areas in which Rome once ruled. With their opposition out of the way the Catholic Church declared the only way to God was through them, and in doing that you had to go through the Pope. Therefore, when the Pope was established unopposed after the 3 different Christian nations were destroyed was the abomination placed in the temple.
The timeline starts with the inauguration of Pope Pelagius I on April 16th of 556 AD. To this is added the 1241.889117 solar years (1260 idealistic lunar years), which places the end of the reign of the beast from the sea on March 7th, 1798 and the end of the 1315.811088 solar years on approximately February 6th, 1872 (give a couple weeks both directions).
As far as anything special happening at that time, I think you could argue there would or wouldn't be something to mark it. Something I find interesting is that in 1872 the USA's economy overtook Britain's economy. It's also the year Charles Russell started up the International Bible Students Association. Although I will say that I am not a Jehovah's Witness, nor Seventh-Day Adventist for that manner. (I've never belonged to any denomination)
For the mark of the beast it needs to be realized the mark on the hand and forehead represent basically thoughts and actions, and that a lot of things can equal 666 when gematria is used. As far as two examples go, my ancestor said the Roman numerals in circulation at that time when added together equaled 666 and I also learned that the numerical equivalent of Christogram symbols (like the Chi Rho) can equal 666. Those who are not loyal to the beast will be exiled from common society, and I believe that over the course of the last 1000 years if you did not belong to Catholicism you were persecuted and hunted as a heretic.
As far as the rapture goes, I do not believe in one. If it is does happen it will be an allegorical representation of the internal rejuvenation of the Christian where they live in the world but are no longer of it.
Thoughts?
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That historicist view of prophetic end time events does not hold water. I am a futurist.
I don’t understand how Christians read the Bible and don’t see that the mark of the beast is a literal mark to buy or sell coming in the future. Especially when we have so many signs around us showing its imminence.
You also don’t believe in the rapture which is a red flag to the veracity of your interpretation of Scripture.
That being said, I hope you understand that one day when Christ comes, our bodies will literally be resurrected and glorified and we will be raptured to the clouds. Christ went into a lot of detail about that day in the Scriptures. Don’t miss it. All the final events revolve around this day, you can’t understand the end times if you don’t believe in the rapture.
One thing you said right though is that the 1335 days are a part of the 1260 days of the tribulation of Revelation 13 and extend beyond them but there’s no reason to apply the precept of Ezekiel 4:1-6 to them.
I don’t understand how Christians read the Bible and don’t see that the mark of the beast is a literal mark to buy or sell coming in the future. Especially when we have so many signs around us showing its imminence.
You also don’t believe in the rapture which is a red flag to the veracity of your interpretation of Scripture.
That being said, I hope you understand that one day when Christ comes, our bodies will literally be resurrected and glorified and we will be raptured to the clouds. Christ went into a lot of detail about that day in the Scriptures. Don’t miss it. All the final events revolve around this day, you can’t understand the end times if you don’t believe in the rapture.
One thing you said right though is that the 1335 days are a part of the 1260 days of the tribulation of Revelation 13 and extend beyond them but there’s no reason to apply the precept of Ezekiel 4:1-6 to them.
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The futurist view of the End Times will simply never happen. Revelation has been unfolding since the time of Jesus. The reason for adopting the historicist view is that the 4 End Time kingdoms are Babylon, Mede-Persia, the Greeks, and then the Romans. Then with the 10 toes in Daniel 2's statue and the 10 heads of the beast out of the sea in Revelation, these signify the 10 nations arising from the Roman Empire which all comprises the 4th beast. If you look at the history and follow the prophecy, it fits like a glove.
There is every reason for applying the precept of Ezekiel 4:1-6 precept of a prophetic day serving for as a year. It's being Biblically consistent. The 70 weeks prophecy of Daniel 9 which proves Jesus is the Messiah adopts the day for a year ratio, otherwise it wouldn't be true. The call went out to rebuild Jerusalem in mid-March of 444 BC (Nehemiah 2), and it was 69 weeks later to the death of the Messiah. When you take 69x7 it equals 483 years and when you convert it from idealistic lunar to solar it is 476 years and 21 days. When you apply this to mid-March of 444 BC and go forward it lands you in early April of 33 AD, right when people believe Jesus died. Therefore, it is proven the "days" in Daniel's prophesies follow the precept set forth in Ezekiel 4.
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There is every reason for applying the precept of Ezekiel 4:1-6 precept of a prophetic day serving for as a year. It's being Biblically consistent. The 70 weeks prophecy of Daniel 9 which proves Jesus is the Messiah adopts the day for a year ratio, otherwise it wouldn't be true. The call went out to rebuild Jerusalem in mid-March of 444 BC (Nehemiah 2), and it was 69 weeks later to the death of the Messiah. When you take 69x7 it equals 483 years and when you convert it from idealistic lunar to solar it is 476 years and 21 days. When you apply this to mid-March of 444 BC and go forward it lands you in early April of 33 AD, right when people believe Jesus died. Therefore, it is proven the "days" in Daniel's prophesies follow the precept set forth in Ezekiel 4.
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Speckofdust
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Those kingdoms have already happened and have fallen so how can they be end time kingdoms? The beast kingdom that is to come is an amalgamation of those four in the sense that it will comprise all the power and amplitude of them combined and that is yet to reach its apex.
Prophecy has dual fulfillment in some cases but regarding to the beast kingdom and the mark of the beast that is in the future and everyone that says that people already have a mark of the beast because of their thoughts and actions is a liar and the truth is not in him. It’s impossible to have the mark of the beast because no one is buying or selling with a mark right now though many already are using QR codes for it which is a sign of what’s coming.
If you already adopted a year for a day in the 70 weeks of Daniel why are you doing it again in the 70th week? The 70th week is 7 years which is the same as 2520 days. No need to convert again to 2520 years, which doesn’t make sense. 1260 days are literal days pertaining to the last 7 years of the end of days.
Prophecy has dual fulfillment in some cases but regarding to the beast kingdom and the mark of the beast that is in the future and everyone that says that people already have a mark of the beast because of their thoughts and actions is a liar and the truth is not in him. It’s impossible to have the mark of the beast because no one is buying or selling with a mark right now though many already are using QR codes for it which is a sign of what’s coming.
If you already adopted a year for a day in the 70 weeks of Daniel why are you doing it again in the 70th week? The 70th week is 7 years which is the same as 2520 days. No need to convert again to 2520 years, which doesn’t make sense. 1260 days are literal days pertaining to the last 7 years of the end of days.
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There is no gap between the end of the 69th week and the beginning of the 70th week. Why do you say there is a gap? In Daniel 9's 70 week prophecy we can see the destruction of the temple, and that happened in 70 AD. How is this possible. It's because the 70th week is to be taken in a squared fashion and comprises 2520 years and is still in fulfillment. That is how the 70th week encompasses events that happened in 70 AD and reaches through to our time.
Do you believe that Revelation is about the 4th beast of Daniel 7? I believe it is. That's why the dragon in Revelation 12 is representative of the Roman Empire before Catholicism took over the world. We are still living in the time of the 4th beast, it's just been taken out of power.
Research what happened throughout Catholicism's history to those who went against Catholicism. They were not allowed to buy or sell or participate in common society. Some like the Cathars were peaceful, but yet were persecuted out of existence.
Do you believe that Revelation is about the 4th beast of Daniel 7? I believe it is. That's why the dragon in Revelation 12 is representative of the Roman Empire before Catholicism took over the world. We are still living in the time of the 4th beast, it's just been taken out of power.
Research what happened throughout Catholicism's history to those who went against Catholicism. They were not allowed to buy or sell or participate in common society. Some like the Cathars were peaceful, but yet were persecuted out of existence.
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