Daniel 11 and the great NORTH VS SOUTH 1ST CENTURY JEWISH WARS TO TIME OF END 70AD

Daniel 10:1
In the third year of Cyrus king of Persia a thing was revealed to Daniel, whose name was called Belteshazzar; and the thing was true, even a great warfare<6635>
and he understood the thing, and had understanding of the vision.
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Has anyone viewed that some or most of Daniel 11 concerns the great Roman/Jewish Wars leading up to the time of the End for the 1st Century Jewish Temple and Jerusalem?

I would like to explore that prospect on this thread.

Daniel 11 is a great chapter in the Bible and it appears to be talking about the "great warfare" in Daniel 10:1 involving a type of "Civil War" between the Northern Kingdom [Israel/Gentiles] and South[Southern Kingdom of Judah].

Daniel 11:
1‘And I, in the first year of Darius the Mede, my standing [is] for a strengthener, and for a stronghold to him;
2and, now, truth I declare to thee, Lo, yet three kings are standing for Persia, and the fourth doth become far richer than all, and according to his strength by his riches he stirreth up the whole, with the kingdom of Javan. 3And a mighty king hath stood, and he hath ruled a great dominion, and hath done according to his will; 4and according to his standing is his kingdom broken, and divided to the four winds of the heavens, and not to his posterity, nor according to his dominion that he ruled, for his kingdom is plucked up — and for others apart from these.

First, let's show the verses where King of the North and King of the South are used.

The phrase "King of the North" and "King of the South" are used only in Daniel 11 of the OT. Both of those are sometimes used in the same verses

Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon

NKJV]
Dan 11:5
5 “Also the king of the South shall become strong, as well as one of his princes; and he shall gain power over him and have dominion. His dominion shall be a great dominion.

6 “And at the end of some years they shall join forces, for the daughter of the king of the South shall go to the king of the North to make an agreement; but she shall not retain the power of her authority,[fn] and neither he nor his authority[fn] shall stand; but she shall be given up, with those who brought her, and with him who begot her, and with him who strengthened her in those times.

7 “But from a branch of her roots one shall arise in his place, who shall come with an army, enter the fortress of the king of the North, and deal with them and prevail.

8 “And he shall also carry their gods captive to Egypt, with their princes[fn] and their precious articles of silver and gold; and he shall continue more years than the king of the North.

9 “Also the king of the North shall come to the kingdom of the king of the South, but shall return to his own land.

11 “And the king of the South shall be moved with rage, and go out and fight with him, with the king of the North, who shall muster a great multitude; but the multitude shall be given into the hand of his enemy.

13 “For the king of the North will return and muster a multitude greater than the former, and shall certainly come at the end of some years with a great army and much equipment.

14 “Now in those times many shall rise up against the king of the South. Also, violent men[fn] of your people shall exalt themselves in fulfillment of the vision, but they shall fall.

15 “So the king of the North shall come and build a siege mound, and take a fortified city; and the forces[fn] of the South shall not withstand him. Even his choice troops shall have no strength to resist.

25 “He shall stir up his power and his courage against the king of the South with a great army. And the king of the South shall be stirred up to battle with a very great and mighty army; but he shall not stand, for they shall devise plans against him.

40 “At the time of the end the king of the South shall attack him; and the king of the North shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter the countries, overwhelm them, and pass through.
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Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized- Poll Thread

Matthew 24:6
“Yet ye shall be being about to be hearing battles and tidings of battles, be seeing! be not be being troubled<2360>, for is binding to becoming,
but not as yet the End<5056>
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Visual Timeline of the Roman-Jewish War ARTchive @ PreteristArchive.com, The Internet's Only Balanced Look at Preterist Eschatology and Preterism
The Historical Fall of Jerusalem in AD70
TRACKING THE FIRST JEWISH REVOLT FROM A MILITARY POINT OF VIEW

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CHRONOLOGY IMMEDIATELY SURROUNDING THE WAR

Stage 1: Murder of James the Just, "Opposition High Priest" ; Irrevocable Split: 62
Stage 2: General Revolt in Jerusalem ; Zealot Occupation of Masada: August-September 66
Stage 3: The Campaign of Cestius Gallus and the Defeat of the Twelfth Legion: October-November 66
Stage 4: End of Collaborative Government, Priesthood ; General Flight: November 66 - March 67
Part 6: Vespasian Subdues Northern and Western Palestine: December 66 - December 68
Part 7: Three-way Power Struggle within Jerusalem After Roman Retreat: January 68 - May 70
Part 8: Romans Breach City Walls and Leave Jerusalem Desolate: M10 - September 10, 70
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The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
Proof that Matthew 24 was fully fulfilled in 70 AD!
Also see: Rapture refuted

History records few events more generally interesting than the destruction of Jerusalem, and the subversion of the Jewish state, by the arms of the Romans. -- Their intimate connexion with the dissolution of the Levitical economy, and the establishment of Christianity in the world ; the striking verification which they afford of so many of the prophecies, both of the Old and New Testament, and the powerful arguments of the divine authority of the Scriptures which are thence derived.........................................

Lazarus Short said:

It is clear to me that Daniel's eleventh chapter is all about the heirs of Alexander's empire, and the wars between them.

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Can you direct me to a study on that?

I ran across these verses when doing a study on Teachers in the NT......will explore this further as we go along
I am looking at this as a Preterist/Amill 1st century fulfillment..........not a historicist futurist view.........

Dan 11:33
And the teachers of the people give understanding to many;
and they have stumbled by sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil -- days.
Dan 11:35
And some of the teachers do stumble for refining by them, and for purifying, and for making white -- till the end of the time, for it is yet for a time appointed.
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Luk 2:46
And it came to pass, after three days, they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the teachers, both hearing them and questioning them,
Luk 5:17
And it came to pass, on one of the days, that he was teaching, and there were sitting by Pharisees and teachers of the Law, who were come out of every village of Galilee, and Judea, and Jerusalem, and the power of the Lord was -- to heal them.

1Ti 1:7
willing to be teachers of law, not understanding either the things they say, nor concerning what they asseverate,
2Ti 4:3
for there shall be a season when the sound teaching they will not suffer, but according to their own desires to themselves they shall heap up teachers -- itching in the hearing,

Luke 21:24
And they shall be falling to mouth of sword and they shall be being led captive into all the nations.
And Jerusalem shall be being trodden by nations until which may be being filled times of nations.
[Deuteronomy 28:68/Reve 11:2/13:10]

Revelation 13:10 If any to-captivity into captivity is going away.
If any in sword to be killed, is binding him in sword to be killed.
Here is the endurance<5281> and the faith of the Saints [Luke 21:24]
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Daniel Chapter 11:35-45 Commentary: Every Prophecy Miraculously Fulfilled! - Revelation Revolution

Every Prophecy Fulfilled! Preterism and Daniel Chapter 11: Is the Willful King Antiochus Epiphanes, the King of the North?
From vs. 21-32, Daniel’s description of Antiochus Epiphanes, the king of the north, is accurate by all accounts. However, from v. 36 to the end of the chapter, the king known as the willful king mentioned here does not fit what is known of the king of the north. This fact has led some historians to suggest that the Book of Daniel may have been written by an editor just prior to the death of Antiochus Epiphanes. According to this theory, the author of the Book of Daniel recorded a history from vs. 1-35 accounting for the accuracy of this portion of the text. Then from v. 36 to the end of the chapter, the editor of the book attempted to accurately predict the fate of Antiochus Epiphanes and, as expected, failed.

However, this theory that the Book of Daniel recorded history up to v. 35 and then tried to accurately predict the immediate future is a theory that is completely untenable. Up to this point in this commentary we have shown how accurately Daniel predicted many things concerning the future as far as the first century A.D. However, even if all this evidence were ignored, this secular theory is completely invalidated by v. 37.

Daniel’s description of the willful king in v. 37 indicates that he will not regard any god. If the editor of Daniel intended to predict that the willful king was Antiochus Epiphanes, why would he make such an egregious error regarding Antiochus’ religious beliefs? One might assume that perhaps the editor of Daniel did not know Antiochus Epiphanes religious affiliation? However, this would be impossible since Antiochus Epiphanes tried to compel the Jews to worship Zeus which was one of the major causes of the Maccabean Wars. If the author of Daniel intended to predict the future after having accurately recorded the past, why would he include an inaccurate description of Antiochus Epiphanes’ most well-known attribute from the perspective a second century Jewish perspective? Essentially every adult living in Israel in the second century B.C. would have known that Antiochus Epiphanies was strongly devoted to Zeus. They would have all known this because Antiochus Epiphanies forced this belief on the Jews which was one of the primary causes of Israel’s war with Greece! How could someone who knew without making a single historical error the obscure historical details concerning the foreign relations between the Seleucids and the Ptolemies fail to know arguably the most well-known attribute of the Seleucid king who was currently at war with his people especially when it was the unavoidably obvious trigger of the “current” war with Greece?1

Thus the Book of Daniel could not have been written in the second century B.C. during the Maccabean Wars. And the willful king cannot be Antiochus Epiphanies. If the willful king is not Antiochus Epiphanies, then who was he? In v. 35 the prophet writes:

35Some of the wise will stumble, so that they may be refined, purified and made spotless until the time of the end, for it will still come at the appointed time.
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Much like the split in Matthew 24 that partial preterists view with much of the 1st half fulfilled in 70AD.

A Preterist Exposition and Commentary of Daniel 11:35:

The Reference to the Time of the End in v. 35 implies a shift from Antiochus Epiphanes and the Greek Empire to Rome, the Final Empire of Daniel’s Visions.
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Lazarus Short said:

Sure - I consulted Roy Allan Anderson's "Unfolding Daniel's Prophecies," which I had read back in my SDA days. It was one of the few books I kept from those days. Be aware of that, and also that he is a histroricist, not a preterist. The depth of his research is obvious as you read the book.

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Thks for that info. I tend to shy away from most SDA teachings and their interpretations of Bible prophecy, especially concerning Daniel and Revelation, but that is just me.........
I am looking at most if not all of Daniel fulfilled in the 1st century and most of Revelation up thru chapter 19 at least..........

Hebrew Interlinear of Daniel 11:31 Showing the use of the Definite Article -
THE Abomination of Desolation

Hebrew Interlinear of Daniel 12:11 Showing the Absence of the Definite Article -
AN Abomination of Desolation

Daniel 10:1
14 "Now I have come to make you understand what will happen to your people in the last of the days future Vision for days.
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Daniel is mentioned in Matthew 24:

Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized- Poll Thread

Matthew 24:15
Whenever then ye may be seeing the abomination<946> of the desolation/ἐρημώσεως<2050>.......

Mark 13:14
Whenever yet ye may be seeing see the abomination<946> of the desolation/ἐρημώσεως<2050>

Luke 21:20
Whenever yet ye may be seeing the Jerusalem surrounded by war-troops,
then be knowing that come nigh the desolating/ἐρήμωσις<2050> of Her

Lazarus Short said:

I know where you're coming from about Adventism, but I think it is wrongheaded to try and reduce the grand sweep of Daniel to a short war between Judah and Rome.

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You are of course entitled to your opinion and I am sure there are many others that probably share your sentiment.

I will be delving into the 70AD Olivet Discourse and Revelation quite a bit on this thread.

BTW, I and a lot of Preterists/Amills view 70AD Jerusalem in Revelation 18.......

Luke 21:
22 That days of vengeance these are, of the to be fulfilled all the having been written
23 “But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! [Luke 23:29]
For there will be great Distress in the land and Wrath upon this people.

Luke 23:
28 Being-turned yet toward them, the Jesus said: "Daughters of-Jerusalem no be-lamenting over Me, moreover for yourselves be-lamenting, and upon the children of ye.
29 That behold! Are coming Days in which they shall be declaring 'happy are the barren-ones. and the wombs which not generate, and breasts which not suckle.
[Luke 21:29]
30 Then they shall be beginning to be saying to the Mountains: 'Be falling on us'!, and to the Hills 'Cover us'! [Revelation 6:16]

Revelation 6:
16 They are saying to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lambkin! [Luke 23:30]
17For the great day of Their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”
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The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
Proof that Matthew 24 was fully fulfilled in 70 AD!
Also see: Rapture refuted

Meanwhile the horrors of famine grew still more melancholy and afflictive.
The Jews, for of food were at length compelled to eat their belts, their sandals, the skins of their shields, dried grass, and even the ordure of oxen. In the depth or this horrible extremity, a Jewess of noble family urged by the intolerable cravings of hunger, slew her infant child, and prepared it for a meal.......................................
. At the recital of this melancholy and affecting occurrence, the whole city stood aghast, and poured forth their congratulations on those whom death had hurried away from such heartrending scenes. Indeed, humanity at once shudders and sickens at the narration, nor can any one of the least sensibility reflect upon the pitiable condition to which the female part of the inhabitants of Jerusalem must at this time have been reduced, without experiencing the tenderest emotions of sympathy, or refrain from tears while he reads our SAVIOUR'S pathetic address to the women who " bewailed him" as he was led to Calvary, wherein he evidently refers to these very calamities : "Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but for yourselves and fur your children ; for, behold, the days are coming in which they shall say, 'Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the breasts that never gave suck." Luke xxiii. 29.
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Revelation 9:6
And in those days the men shall be seeking the death, and not no shall be finding it;
and shall be desiring/yearning<1937> to be dying, and the death is fleeing from them.

Revelation 18:8
Thru this in one day shall be arriving<2240> Her blows<4127>,
death and sorrow<3997> and famine<3042>.
And in fire She shall be utterly burned<2618>,
that strong Lord the GOD, the One judging Her.

Daniel 11:31
and arms/02220 z@rowa` from him, they shall stand up. And they profane//violate/02490 chalal the Sanctuary/04720 miqdash, the-Refuge/ma`owz. And they take-away/05493 cuwr the-Continually/08548 tamiyd, and they give/05414 nathan The-Abomination, one-making-desolate/08074 shamem.

Daniel 12:11
And-from-time he-is-taken-away/05493 cuwr the-continually/08548 tamiyd, and-to-give-of/05414 nathan an-abomination one-desolating/08074 shamem, days, thousand, two hundred, and ninety
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Matthew 24:15 "Whenever then ye may be seeing the abomination of the desolation, the being declared thru Daniel the Prophet having-stood in a place, holy (the one-reading/anaginwskwn <314> (5723) let him be minding/understanding/noeitw <3539> (5720)" [Mark 13:14]

Mark 13:14 Whenever yet ye may be seeing the abomination of the desolation having stood the-where not it is binding, (the one reading/anaginwskwn <314> (5723) let him be understanding!/noeitw <3539> (5720), then the ones in the Judea let be fleeing! into the mountains
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Anyone have a any idea where the AoD is showing in Revelation?

Where is the abomination of desolation of Daniel, Matt and Mark shown in Revelation

Revelation 1:3 Happy the one reading/ana-ginwskwn <314> (5723) and the ones hearing the words of the prophecy and keepings the in it having been written for the time nigh.
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A Preterist Exposition and Commentary of Daniel 11:35: The Reference to the Time of the End in v. 35 implies a shift from Antiochus Epiphanes and the Greek Empire to Rome, the Final Empire of Daniel’s Visions.

This verse seems to imply a transition. Does this verse suggest a shift between the struggle with Greece and the rise of Rome? In Daniel 2 and Daniel 7, Daniel predicts four Gentile Empires that would rule Israel before the establishment of the kingdom of God. Antiochus Epiphanes was a Greek king and thus ruled during the third empire in Daniel’s visions. The reference to the time of the end in the above verse implies a shift in focus away from the Greek Empire to Rome, the fourth and final Gentile Empire of Daniel’s visions. Because Rome was the last kingdom to rule over Israel before the establishment of the kingdom of God, the rise of the Roman Empire is labeled “the time of the end.” The NRSV says that the wise shall fall and be purified “until the time of the end, for there is still an interval until the time appointed.” This translation explicitly indicates that there shall be an interval between v. 35 and v. 36. There are approximately 130 years between the war with Antiochus and the rise of Rome.2 During this time, Rome replaced Greece as the dominant world power. This large a gap between verses is not without precedence. There is a similar 130 year interval between vs. 2 and 3. Interestingly, this 130 year interval between vs. 2 and 3 also marks another shift between empires: this time from Medo-Persia to Greece.

As stated earlier, throughout chapter 11, Daniel describes the life of a specific king and seamlessly moves on to that of his successor usually without ever having specified to his reader the passage of a scepter. Thus it is not surprising that no explicit indication of a change in authority is made between vs. 35 and 36. Though no unequivocal change in authority is specified in these two verses, there does seem to be an implicit transition in v. 35. It is also interesting to note that nowhere throughout the remainder of the chapter is the willful king of v. 36 unambiguously called the king of the north. But if this king was not Antiochus Epiphanes, then who was the willful king of v. 36? In the next verse, Daniel begins to describe this king:

36“The king will do as he pleases. He will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will say unheard-of things against the God of gods. He will be successful until the time of wrath is completed for what has been determined must take place. 37He will show no regard for the gods of his fathers or for the one desired by women, nor will he regard any god, but will exalt himself above them all.