Struggles with Calvinism

Mountainmanbob · Nov 13, 2019

John Piper explains the subject rather well.
He is a very gentle man of God.
M-Bob

Butch5 · Nov 13, 2019

Mountainmanbob said:
John Piper explains the subject rather well.
He is a very gentle man of God.
M-Bob

He starts by saying he has mysteries in his theology and there are things he can't give a rational account of. Why would I learn theology from someone who says this? The mysteries he speaks of likely the contradictions in his theology.

twin1954 · Nov 13, 2019

renniks said:
A verse is an accusation? You said that God's will cannot be resisted. This verse says otherwise.

No the verse in it's context wouldn't be. But you didn't quote it in it's context. You just put it out there as an accusation. How did you think it would be understood?

twin1954 · Nov 13, 2019

Butch5 said:
I didn't bring it up. However, as I said, a question is not a fallacy. It's a request for information, not an argument.

No a question is not a fallacy unless it is intended to poison the well. Then it is fallacious.

twin1954 · Nov 13, 2019

Butch5 said:
I didn't bring it up. However, as I said, a question is not a fallacy. It's a request for information, not an argument.

Since you seem to only want to fight I am done with you. My efforts to get you to actually make an argument continues to fall on deaf ears. You are wasting my time.

Butch5 · Nov 13, 2019

twin1954 said:
No a question is not a fallacy unless it is intended to poison the well. Then it is fallacious.

It's not poising the well, it's a question. A fallacy is an error in reasoning.

twin1954 · Nov 13, 2019

Kenny'sID said:
Are you telling me truthfully you did not read the post where I asked you to answer all the questions, and that I even put them in bold so there is no confusion? If you did see it as I suspect, and because this happens so often, do you think it's fair I find it for you?

Anyway, it's this post Struggles with Calvinism

I am working on the answers to your questions. You are correct that I had read the post and obviously didn't answer it. I an not sure why, other than I was busy and forgot it. Sorry. I will try to post my answers tomorrow.

Butch5 · Nov 13, 2019

twin1954 said:
Since you seem to only want to fight I am done with you. My efforts to get you to actually make an argument continues to fall on deaf ears. You are wasting my time.

Seriously that made me laugh. I've given you plenty of arguments. You've danced and dodged. I'm still waiting for you to put the Romans 11 verse in context.

twin1954 · Nov 13, 2019

Butch5 said:
It's not poising the well, it's a question. A fallacy is an error in reasoning.

An error in logical argument is a fallacy as well. Red herrings and poisoning the well are both fallacies in logical argument. Look them up. Now I will not answer any more of your nonsense. Bye.

Tra Phull · Nov 13, 2019

You're quoting that verse out of context!

You're MISREPRESENTING CALVINISM !!

You're POISONING THE WELL !!

You're bringing up Servetus !!

( shrug )

Mountainmanbob · Nov 13, 2019

Butch5 said:
He starts by saying he has mysteries in his theology and there are things he can't give a rational account of. Why would I learn theology from someone who says this? The mysteries he speaks of likely the contradictions in his theology.

RC Sproul explaining reformed theology.

M-Bob

renniks · Nov 13, 2019

How can you misunderstand " resist the Holy Spirit?" It's not as if it's an isolated concept in scripture. Much of the book is about God's people resisting him, starting in Eden.

twin1954 said:
No the verse in it's context wouldn't be. But you didn't quote it in it's context. You just put it out there as an accusation. How did you think it would be understood?

twin1954 · Nov 13, 2019

Butch5 said:
Seriously that made me laugh. I've given you plenty of arguments. You've danced and dodged. I'm still waiting for you to put the Romans 11 verse in context.

This needs answering so I will this one more time.

It is in context. It is a a sort of hymn after Paul delineates how God is working among the Jews and the Gentiles. It can stand alone because it is simply a statement of awe toward God.

You are the one who refused to deal with it. Verse 36 tears your whole argument apart. Bye.

Tra Phull · Nov 13, 2019

Reformed Theology = Deformed Theology

Butch5 · Nov 13, 2019

twin1954 said:
An error in logical argument is a fallacy as well. Red herrings and poisoning the well are both fallacies in logical argument. Look them up. Now I will not answer any more of your nonsense. Bye.

That's what I've been saying. A logical argument is reasoning. In reasoning or a logical argument they are fallacies. However, a question is not a logical argument.

twin1954 · Nov 13, 2019

renniks said:
How can you misunderstand " resist the Holy Spirit?" It's not as if it's an isolated concept in scripture. Much of the book is about God's people resisting him, starting in Eden.

I didn't misunderstand. It was obvious the reason he quoted the verse out of it's context. Resisting the Spirit is what all men do by default. Rom. 1 makes it clear that all men have a knowledge of God in them but they hate Him so they change the glory of God into the likeness of man. They resist the truth of the Scriptures that were inspired by the Spirit and will not believe that they might have life.

Mountainmanbob · Nov 13, 2019

Tra Phull said:
Reformed Theology = Deformed Theology

A lot of Preformed ones use to think like that.
Until they did more study.

What do you think regarding Roman's 9?
Hard to get around that one?
M-Bob

Butch5 · Nov 13, 2019

Mountainmanbob said:
RC Sproul explaining reformed theology.

M-Bob

I've listened to R.C. He had the same problems.

twin1954 · Nov 13, 2019

Tra Phull said:
Reformed Theology = Deformed Theology

I can engage in polemics as well if you want. You will not like what I have to say if I do.

I would rather not as it is beneath both you and I. We aren't arguing politics we are arguing truth.

Butch5 · Nov 13, 2019

twin1954 said:
I didn't misunderstand. It was obvious the reason he quoted the verse out of it's context. Resisting the Spirit is what all men do by default. Rom. 1 makes it clear that all men have a knowledge of God in them but they hate Him so they change the glory of God into the likeness of man. They resist the truth of the Scriptures that were inspired by the Spirit and will not believe that they might have life.

You just said someone quoted a verse out context and in the same post you quote a verse out of context. You might want to reread Romans one. It's not talking about all men.

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