VETERAN TELLS DONALD TRUMP JR. TO JOIN MILITARY IF HE WANTS TO UNDERSTAND 'SACRIFICE'

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Donald Jr's problem is one of perspective. I have no doubt that the Trump family worked hard to become filthy rich but they need to realize that a soldier puts his/her life and health on the line and counts himself lucky to come home alive even though he might not be entirely physically or mentally intact. There is absolutely no way of comparing the two situations.
 
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No I am not dead. I am still alive having this conversation with you. I do have a very good friend that served in VietNam as a Marine. Only he recently hung himself so he is not alive anymore. I was a medic and I was in training to put dead bodies in body bags. They said it was ok to put extra limbs in a bag. No one cares and no one is able to sort them out.

If you want to sort the arms and legs out go ahead and give it a try. I was trained by the Army not to do that. So give it your best shot and good luck with your attempt to get it all figured out.

I am by the way, still a veteran. Meaning I was discharged under honorable conditions. Only I believe in the sacrifice that Jesus made for us. I believe we are to love our enemy and do good to them that want to do harm to us. That for me is what it means to be a Christian. But everyone has to be faithful to God to do what they feel He is calling them to do in life.

I am glad to be an American and I respect the people that want to war and made the sacrifice they did for me to have the freedom I have to believe what I believe. They were willing to sacrifice themselves even for the people that they do not agree with. To give them the freedom to have their own opinions.
My dad was a career officer who did 100 combat missions over N. Vietnam. He told me they did not like the war. They were passing around a copy of the book, “Catch 22.” They wanted to go home to be with their families. He was rewarded for his combat service and promoted. He retired with a military pension and benefits.

I have seen not everyone behaved heroically in war. War in and of itself is the result of hatred and violence. I remember the My Lai Massacre.
 
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Hi all,

I think the issue here is the comparison. Yes, it's fine for Don Jr. to cry about his family having made business sacrifices to be the first family. Although, it is a choice and I'm not really particularly assured that the Trump's have made any serious sacrifices. They do still seem to be living pretty large.

But his error is in trying to compare such sacrifice as giving up some possible avenues of enriching their pocket books with people who have waded through rice paddies with machine guns on their backs and watching their friends and comrades fall in a hail of tracer bullets. The two sacrifices are in no way comparable.

Not getting to build a building that might have made them a few million dollars financially richer does not compare with 160,000 men running out of troop carriers under a constant barrage of bullets and mortar shells picking them off.

God bless,
In Christ, ted
 
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That is one of the best movies of all time. Also recommend Hacksaw Ridge.
That is what I meant.
Hacksaw Ridge.

Both are good but Hacksaw Ridge really moved me.
 
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Unfortunately, I'm not surprised at what Don Jr. said. I truly feel sorry for Don Sr.'s kids.

A friend of my family's was the chair of the talent agency that represented Trump in the 80s and 90s, and actually said that he did feel sorry for Donald Jr. at that time. With aggressive flamboyance Donald Trump show boated his infidelity to his children's mother, and relished the media circus that ensued. It was a prolonged and vicious public fight. Our friend (who passed in 2016) absolutely believed the allegations that Ivana Trump made of physical and emotional abuse, including Donald Trump raping her in a fit of fury because he was in pain from a failed hair transplant procedure. She wrote about that in her memoir, and though she later retracted when Donald was making a political bid, it had been fact-checked at the time.

The elder three Trump children's maternal grandparents sought to give them a sense of peace and normalcy, having them come to the Czech Republic during the summers and school holidays. Their maternal grandfather (who has an interesting life story that completely ties into current events, btw) is the one who taught Donald Jr. and Eric to hunt. That was their shared pastime. When he died suddenly in his early 60s in 1990 the boys were distraught. His work with the stB wasn't known at the time, but from the accounts given he was a loving and caring grandparent who tried to give them happy childhood experiences. He was a polar to their father, a man who wore flannel and chopped wood, and lived quietly.
Had he lived longer I think he might have had the opportunity to influence their growth in a positive way.
 
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Unfortunately, I'm not surprised at what Don Jr. said. I truly feel sorry for Don Sr.'s kids.

To add - I do feel sorry for the now-adult Trump kids when they were kids but not who they are now. I think Donald Jr. in particular is a hedonistic bully and hypocrite who replicates the worst traits of his father.

I do feel sorry for Tiffany Trump. You may remember how earlier this year Trump's personal assistant was pushed to resign. It wasn't because she was leaking out privileged information of importance to national security or anything of that nature. During an off-record dinner with friends who were reporters she talked about how Donald Trump did not like being in pictures with Tiffany because he thought she was overweight, and that embarrassed him. Trump Sr imposed a Weinstein-like NDA on his staff that would allow for termination if anything leaked out that was embarrassing in any manner to him, even though the staff are actually not his personal employees, so that NDA is being legally challenged.

I would like to be hopeful for Barron..... I'd like to think that perhaps his father is too preoccupied to actually play much of a role in his life. He's going to a good school, one that has actually stood up to some of his father's policies. By the time Barron Trump has finished his education and is ready to fully launch into adulthood it's very likely his father will either be dead or in an assisted living facility. I think that will actually enable him to choose his own pathway.
 
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Most people who do enlist do so not out of wanting to fight a war but to serve their country. It's not their decision to go fight wars. The ones who make the decision to fight in a war aren't the ones who fight it.

In 2003 Bono wrote lyrics specifically for his duet of Ave Maria with Pavarotti at a SOS Iraq benefit concert in Italy.

Ave Maria
Where is the justice in this world?
The wicked make so much noise mother
The righteous stay oddly still
With no wisdom
All of the riches in the world
Leaves us poor tonight
And strength is not without humility
It's weakness and untreatable disease

And war is always the choice
Of the chosen
Who will not have to fight


Papers throughout Italy published the lyrics the next day.
 
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My dad was a career officer who did 100 combat missions over N. Vietnam. He told me they did not like the war. They were passing around a copy of the book, “Catch 22.” They wanted to go home to be with their families. He was rewarded for his combat service and promoted. He retired with a military pension and benefits.

I have seen not everyone behaved heroically in war. War in and of itself is the result of hatred and violence. I remember the My Lai Massacre.
It makes no sense that people would want to do harm and injury to each other like that. My father served our community for 50 years as a pediatrician. He stitched up a lot of cuts and set a lot of broken bones. If we do what we can to avoid accidents then how much more should we do all we can to avoided armed conflicts between people. I do not even understand why people would want to harm and injury each other like that. I do not understand why McCain would want to drop napalm on what looks to me like innocent children and babies. Whatever they are doing I refused to be a part of it. There maybe a time, there maybe a place for war. But Vietnam did not seem to be the time and place because one day they all packed up and went home and gave up on fighting the war there. The soldiers left behind a drug and prostitution problem so that they Vietnam government had to go in and clean that mess up after them.
 
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I would like to be hopeful for Barron
Abraham was 100 and Sarah was 80 when they gave birth to Isaiah. He turned out a lot better then Ishmael the son Abraham had with Hagar. The older we are the more we know and understand and that makes us better qualified to raise children. My sons are 20 years apart and the younger one takes life a lot more serious then his older brother did. Even though they are both engineers so their education is comparable.
 
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It makes no sense that people would want to do harm and injury to each other like that. My father served our community for 50 years as a pediatrician. He stitched up a lot of cuts and set a lot of broken bones. If we do what we can to avoid accidents then how much more should we do all we can to avoided armed conflicts between people. I do not even understand why people would want to harm and injury each other like that. I do not understand why McCain would want to drop napalm on what looks to me like innocent children and babies. Whatever they are doing I refused to be a part of it. There maybe a time, there maybe a place for war. But Vietnam did not seem to be the time and place because one day they all packed up and went home and gave up on fighting the war there. The soldiers left behind a drug and prostitution problem so that they Vietnam government had to go in and clean that mess up after them.
The Soviet and Maoist revolutions did not make sense either. Many Christians died in Soviet Siberian labor starvation prison camps (gulags) during the time of Stalin, because Lenin and Marx wanted an atheistic Communist revolution.

It was the American voters who placed politicians in power who wanted to contain the spread of Communism. The Russians supplied Vietnam with surface to air missiles. They shot down McCain’s plane. He was tortured in a POW camp for not denouncing America.

B-52 crews dropped anti-personal mines on rice paddies where there were Vietcong units. Other times the bombers were blowing up railroad tracks to disrupt war supplies from China.

There are uncleared minefields and dead men’s bones in the Golan Heights. If Israel did not fight back against the repeated attacks of Arab armies, Israel might have been under Muslim rule. Russians backed Iran and the Hezbollah. They attacked Israel in 2006 with help from Iran. Russia supported the Trump campaign.

If Abraham Lincoln did not oppose Robert E. Lee, would there be slave holding states?

I avoided military service as there was no draft the year I graduated. I am supposed to turn the other cheek. When insulted by strangers I kept silent. I try to forgive, but was tempted to anger.
 
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To add - I do feel sorry for the now-adult Trump kids when they were kids but not who they are now. I think Donald Jr. in particular is a hedonistic bully and hypocrite who replicates the worst traits of his father.
I feel sorry for them because they are still trying to earn their father's love.
 
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I feel sorry for them because they are still trying to earn their father's love.

There are people who feel sorry for their father because they believe he has spent his life trying to earn his father's love. Donald Jr, Ivanka, and Eric Trump are now in their middle years, with children of their own. Donald Jr. in particular is inflicting upon his own children some of the trauma of his childhood, a public and acrimonious split from their mother, and flagrant infidelity before his divorce was finalized. The major way he deviated from his father's pattern is that the woman he committed adultery with is older than him, almost a doppelgänger to his stepmother.

I admire those who decide to turn their wounds into wisdom instead of allowing those wounds to perpetuate a wounding cycle.
 
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There are people who feel sorry for their father because they believe he has spent his life trying to earn his father's love. Donald Jr, Ivanka, and Eric Trump are now in their middle years, with children of their own. Donald Jr. in particular is inflicting upon his own children some of the trauma of his childhood, a public and acrimonious split from their mother, and flagrant infidelity before his divorce was finalized. The major way he deviated from his father's pattern is that the woman he committed adultery with is older than him, almost a doppelgänger to his stepmother.

I admire those who decide to turn their wounds into wisdom instead of allowing those wounds to perpetuate a wounding cycle.
Oh, I don't admire him at all, just pity him.
 
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Oh, I don't admire him at all, just pity him.

Yes, I got that from your post. I was simply stating that I do admire those who don't perpetuate toxic cycles of dysfunctional family dynamics and instead make the choice to go the opposite direction when parenting their own children. History is filled with narcissistic men who inherited their wealth and power and will pass it to their children unearned, but make their love conditional and transactional, based most of all on how well he feels they reflect upon him. Some keep chasing after love. Some grow up. The three elder Trump children are midlife, healthy, wealthy, with agency. They've supported policies that cruelly inflict tangible and intense harm on actual children, who were born into circumstances the opposite of their own, the most vulnerable.
 
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