Does creation get born again?

~Zao~ · Aug 29, 2019

Shrewd Manager said:
I'd heard Gen 1 is often read as a metaphor of personal revelation, from formless and void, the spirit hovers, then the light of Christ!

Thanks yes that's right, in the OT the corporate entity was limited to Israel. I'm interested in making a case for whether the NT revelation is that parallels can be made between the sinner's rebirth and the whole world's renewal in the eschaton. Notwithstanding there may be a mountain of scholarship out there, at present I'm more interested in people's thoughts and examples on the subject.

There would be a difference between a sinner’s repentance/rebirth and the cosmos renewal. That wouldn’t be considered an argument for universalism, if that’s what you mean.

Shrewd Manager · Aug 29, 2019

LoreneDD said:
There would be a difference between a sinner’s repentance/rebirth and the cosmos renewal. That wouldn’t be considered an argument for universalism, if that’s what you mean.

Just exploring the significance Lorene, going where the spirit leads. I might start making a comparative list, what I'm hoping this thread will yield.

The Righterzpen · Nov 13, 2019

Shrewd Manager said:
Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, in the renewal [paliggenesia] of all things, when the Son of Man sits on His glorious throne, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or fields for the sake of My name will receive a hundredfold and will inherit eternal life. (Matt 19:28-29)

But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration [paliggenesia] and renewal [anakinoseos] of the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that being justified by his grace we might become heirs according to the hope of eternal life. (Titus 3:4-7)

Strong’s:
3824 paliggenesía (from 3825 /pálin, "again" and 1078 /génesis, "birth, beginning") – properly, the coming of new birth because "born again"; regeneration.
3824 /paliggenesía ("renewal, rebirth") is used twice in the NT referring to: a) the re-birth of physical creation at Christ's return (Advent), which inaugurates His millennial kingdom (Mt 19:28; cf. Ro 8:18-25); and b) the re-birth all believers experience at conversion (Tit 3:5).

342 anakaínōsis (from 303 /aná, "up, completing a process," which intensifies kainō, "make fresh, new"; see 2537 /kainós) – properly, a new development; a renewal, achieved by God's power.

ἀνακαίνωσις, (εως, ἡ, a renewal, renovation, complete change for the better (cf. ἀνακαινόω): τοῦ νως, object. genitive, Romans 12:2; πνεύματος ἁγίου, effected by the Holy Spirit, Titus 3:5. (Etym. Magn., Suidas; (Hermas, vis. 3, 8, 9 [ET]; other ecclesiastical writings); the simple καίνωσις is found only in Josephus, Antiquities 18, 6, 10.) (Cf. Trench, § xviii.)

2537 kainós – properly, new in quality (innovation), fresh in development or opportunity – because "not found exactly like this before."
2. Do not be amazed that I said, ‘You must be born [gennethenai] again.’ John 3:7

Strong’s:

1080 gennáō – properly, beget (procreate a descendant), produce offspring; (passive) be born, "begotten."

d. peculiarly, in the Gospel and First Epistle of John, of God conferring upon men the nature and disposition of his sons, imparting to them spiritual life, i.e. by his own holy power prompting and persuading souls to put faith in Christ and live a new life consecrated to himself;
3. Heaven must take Him in until the time comes for the restoration [apokatasaseos] of all things, which God announced long ago through His holy prophets. (Acts 3:21)

Strongs:
Cognate: 605 apokatástasis (from 600 /apokathístēmi, "restore") – restitution, referring to the "restoration of the physical earth in the Messianic kingdom (Millennium)" (G. Archer).

ἀποκατάστασις, ἀποκαταστάσεως, ἡ (ἀποκαθίστημι, which see), restoration: τῶν πάντων, the restoration not only of the true theocracy but also of that more perfect state of (even physical) things which existed before the fall, Acts 3:21; cf. Meyer at the passage (Often in Polybius, Diodorus, Plutarch, others.)

Do these scriptures teach that a universal spiritual baptism will occur, and are the terms used essentially synonyms?

Interesting points about the terms in Greek.

Obviously the cosmos is renewed; and if you wanted to say it is "baptized by fire" that would be valid too. Not quite sure what you mean by "universal atonement"; (seems to me you are talking about more than humans being atoned for / not that all humans are atoned for. - That's another theological discussion.)

I agree that the creation (the universe actually) is part of that atonement. Now other carbon based life forms that are not created in God's image don't need to be atoned for on account of their personal sin; but they do need to be delivered from the corruption that was brought upon them by us. And that is part of the atonement!

And that being said; I do believe individual other creatures will be raised, just as individual humans will be raised. So yeah, we'll probably see our "pets" (wild animal "friends") and farm animals in the new earth. Will I recognize the house plant sitting in my kitchen, or the rose bush in my garden?

:sorry:

LOL - don't know?

Obviously too though we know there are entities who aren't even afforded an opportunity to be redeemed (like fallen angels), as well as humans who are not redeemed. So in that sense, obviously atonement isn't universal.

The other thing will find out in the recreated universe is; is there sentient, non "spirit form" life of comparable intelligence to humanity on other planets in this course of time? (We know "angels" and "beasts" in heaven now have "comparative sentience".) And that scenario could have all kinds of implications. So no; I would not be surprised if there is carbon based or such "other material type" life on other planets. After all, it's a pretty big cosmos and if earth is the only inhabited planet; that seems to be an awful lot of unused space for a God who likes to make things!

(What really crashed in Roswell NM in 1947???

)

There's another mystery I'm looking forward to finding the answer to.

Shrewd Manager · Nov 16, 2019

The Righterzpen said:
Interesting points about the terms in Greek.

Thanks for your comment.

The Righterzpen said:
Obviously the cosmos is renewed; and if you wanted to say it is "baptized by fire" that would be valid too.

Yes, so do you think the individual being born again is a 'microcosm', if you will, of the promised regeneration of the entire world? And if so, is the lake of fire in Rev 20-22 essentially the baptismal fire upscaled?

The Righterzpen said:
ow other carbon based life forms that are not created in God's image don't need to be atoned for on account of their personal sin; but they do need to be delivered from the corruption that was brought upon them by us. And that is part of the atonement!

An interesting view. Are you suggesting the wolf's nature is not inherently vulpine - that he and the lamb will lie down together without the need for a full spiritual regeneration?

The Righterzpen said:
So no; I would not be surprised if there is carbon based or such "other material type" life on other planets. After all, it's a pretty big cosmos and if earth is the only inhabited planet; that seems to be an awful lot of unused space for a God who likes to make things!

We'll have to disagree on this point, as I believe in a flat motionless earth under a solid firmament. The universe is all contained in maybe 100,000 cubic miles between the separated waters. Just as the ancients saw it and interpreted the OT.

The Righterzpen said:
(What really crashed in Roswell NM in 1947??? )

Just a propaganda machine I suggest!

Saint Steven · Dec 2, 2019

Tolworth John said:
No it does not teach that.
We know that when Jesus returns creation will be destroyed and there will be a new heaven and a new earth.

Why wouldn't you consider that born again?

DennisTate · Dec 2, 2019

Shrewd Manager said:
Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, in the renewal [paliggenesia] of all things, when the Son of Man sits on His glorious throne, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or fields for the sake of My name will receive a hundredfold and will inherit eternal life. (Matt 19:28-29)

But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration [paliggenesia] and renewal [anakinoseos] of the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that being justified by his grace we might become heirs according to the hope of eternal life. (Titus 3:4-7)

Strong’s:
3824 paliggenesía (from 3825 /pálin, "again" and 1078 /génesis, "birth, beginning") – properly, the coming of new birth because "born again"; regeneration.
3824 /paliggenesía ("renewal, rebirth") is used twice in the NT referring to: a) the re-birth of physical creation at Christ's return (Advent), which inaugurates His millennial kingdom (Mt 19:28; cf. Ro 8:18-25); and b) the re-birth all believers experience at conversion (Tit 3:5).

342 anakaínōsis (from 303 /aná, "up, completing a process," which intensifies kainō, "make fresh, new"; see 2537 /kainós) – properly, a new development; a renewal, achieved by God's power.

ἀνακαίνωσις, (εως, ἡ, a renewal, renovation, complete change for the better (cf. ἀνακαινόω): τοῦ νως, object. genitive, Romans 12:2; πνεύματος ἁγίου, effected by the Holy Spirit, Titus 3:5. (Etym. Magn., Suidas; (Hermas, vis. 3, 8, 9 [ET]; other ecclesiastical writings); the simple καίνωσις is found only in Josephus, Antiquities 18, 6, 10.) (Cf. Trench, § xviii.)

2537 kainós – properly, new in quality (innovation), fresh in development or opportunity – because "not found exactly like this before."
2. Do not be amazed that I said, ‘You must be born [gennethenai] again.’ John 3:7

Strong’s:

1080 gennáō – properly, beget (procreate a descendant), produce offspring; (passive) be born, "begotten."

d. peculiarly, in the Gospel and First Epistle of John, of God conferring upon men the nature and disposition of his sons, imparting to them spiritual life, i.e. by his own holy power prompting and persuading souls to put faith in Christ and live a new life consecrated to himself;
3. Heaven must take Him in until the time comes for the restoration [apokatasaseos] of all things, which God announced long ago through His holy prophets. (Acts 3:21)

Strongs:
Cognate: 605 apokatástasis (from 600 /apokathístēmi, "restore") – restitution, referring to the "restoration of the physical earth in the Messianic kingdom (Millennium)" (G. Archer).

ἀποκατάστασις, ἀποκαταστάσεως, ἡ (ἀποκαθίστημι, which see), restoration: τῶν πάντων, the restoration not only of the true theocracy but also of that more perfect state of (even physical) things which existed before the fall, Acts 3:21; cf. Meyer at the passage (Often in Polybius, Diodorus, Plutarch, others.)

Do these scriptures teach that a universal spiritual baptism will occur, and are the terms used essentially synonyms?

Good question...... the Holy Spirit will be poured out on ALL FLESH!!!!

Act 2:17

And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams

oe 2:28

And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

Saint Steven · Dec 2, 2019

Shrewd Manager said:
Interesting, but aren't we told that creation groans, don't we see nature in a fallen state -

That's what this was reminding me of. Groaning with BIRTH pangs.

Romans 8:22
We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time.

DennisTate · Dec 2, 2019

Saint Steven said:
That's what this was reminding me of. Groaning with BIRTH pangs.

Romans 8:22
We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time.

Exactly... and I think you will like the writing that I quote here:

A message from Adam to all of humanity?! Does this sound legitimate to you???

Shrewd Manager · Dec 3, 2019

Saint Steven said:
That's what this was reminding me of. Groaning with BIRTH pangs.

Romans 8:22
We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time.

Thanks for closing the loop on that one Steve. That would have to be a solid supporting proof for the new birth of all creation being prophesied as the universal equivalent, if you will, of the individual's regeneration in Christ. Anakainosis catholicos, something along those lines...hm any Greek scholars in the house?

Shrewd Manager · Dec 3, 2019

DennisTate said:
Good question...... the Holy Spirit will be poured out on ALL FLESH!!!!

Act 2:17

And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams

oe 2:28

And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

Thanks Dennis. The pouring out of the Spirit on all flesh certainly indicates that ultimately everyone will experience renewal by His grace.

So we can say (a) the individual, (b) all people and (c) the rest of creation will receive the baptism of fire and the spirit.

Some brothers claim that God never forces anyone to believe. Do you think that we really have any choice once He pours out His spirit upon us?

mmksparbud · Dec 3, 2019

When Jesus returns:
2Pe_3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe_3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
Mal 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
Mal 4:2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
Mal 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.

after the 1000 years the wicked face their judgement:

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

After death and hell and all sin is cast into the lake of fire then the earth is remade:

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

There is no one verse that states the wicked come out of hell and are given eternal life. Eternal life is given only to the saved.

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Saint Steven · Dec 3, 2019

mmksparbud said:
There is no one verse that states the wicked come out of hell and are given eternal life. Eternal life is given only to the saved.

I think you are barking up the wrong tree.

Do you believe that those in heaven will abide there forever?
And what of those in hell? Will they abide there forever?
It seems that everyone has eternal life.

You could argue that those in hell have eternal death.
But both those in heaven and those in hell will abide there forever. Right?
What's the difference? Forever is forever.

Tolworth John · Dec 3, 2019

Saint Steven said:
Why wouldn't you consider that born again?

For the same reason that the new body you and I will get will not be a new birth but a new creation.

Saint Steven · Dec 3, 2019

Tolworth John said:
For the same reason that the new body you and I will get will not be a new birth but a new creation.

Were you born again when you received Christ? (yes)

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!

Tolworth John · Dec 3, 2019

Saint Steven said:
Were you born again when you received Christ? (yes)

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!

As Paul said this body has to die inorder for it to be recreated, the glory of the old body cannot compare to the glory of the new body. etc etc and it will be the same for creation.

Saint Steven · Dec 3, 2019

Tolworth John said:
As Paul said this body has to die inorder for it to be recreated, the glory of the old body cannot compare to the glory of the new body. etc etc and it will be the same for creation.

Right. What we call born again.

1 Peter 1:23
For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.

Shrewd Manager · Dec 3, 2019

mmksparbud said:
There is no one verse that states the wicked come out of hell and are given eternal life. Eternal life is given only to the saved.

Uh oh, looks like the good times on this thread are over, we're down to the business end, where everyone who ever rejected the threat of damnation gets roasted. But seriously, you never answered the damnationists' quandary as per:

Rev 20:9 nations' armies consumed by fire
Rev 20:15 stragglers thrown into lake of fire
Rev 21:24-26 nations bring glory to throne
Rev 22:2 leaves of the tree of life for healing the nations.

Res ipsa loquitur, nest-ce pas ma soeur? (Hint: the nations are not the priesthood who reign with Christ.)

Also, as per the last few posts, do you deny that God will pour out His Spirit on all flesh, and that creation will be reborn after groaning with birth pangs, it's features standing out like clay under seal?

Do the concepts anakainosis, apocatastasis and paliggenesis of all things as taught by Jesus, the apostles and the prophets not have a place in your theology?

Saint Steven · Dec 3, 2019

Shrewd Manager said:
Uh oh, looks like the good times on this thread are over, we're down to the business end, where everyone who ever rejected the threat of damnation gets roasted.

If they want hell that bad, we should probably give it to them. - lol

Shrewd Manager · Dec 3, 2019

Saint Steven said:
If they want hell that bad, we should probably give it to them. - lol

True, that's how Jesus deals with the Pharisees eg 'How will you escape the judgment to come?' It amazes me that the brethren can't see that to burden others with the fear of damnation is to put themselves in danger of it, on the principle of condign justice - as ye sow, so shall ye reap. God is perfect, they test Him at their peril.

DennisTate · Dec 3, 2019

Shrewd Manager said:
Thanks Dennis. The pouring out of the Spirit on all flesh certainly indicates that ultimately everyone will experience renewal by His grace.

So we can say (a) the individual, (b) all people and (c) the rest of creation will receive the baptism of fire and the spirit.

Some brothers claim that God never forces anyone to believe. Do you think that we really have any choice once He pours out His spirit upon us?

This poll that I did a few years a go is encouraging:

Do you believe a massive Holy Spirit tsunami is coming?

Is an outpouring of the Holy Spirit coming soon?
Edit

We already got it on the Day of Pentecost in Acts 2.
11 vote(s)
15.7%
*
Yes, a MUCH greater outpouring is coming soon!
39 vote(s)
55.7%
! think that things will continue pretty much as they are now!
12 vote(s)
17.1%
No, I think that the dark side of the force is taking over until 2nd coming!
12 vote(s)
17.1%

Multiple votes are allowed

Here is an interesting theory as to a big part of the reason why the outpouring begins:

Eporu Ronald Alfred

Kakira Deliverance Church,
P.O. Box 3191, Kakira, Jinja, Uganda

......

Dear brethren,
I salute you in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ!

RE: SHARING NEW DISCOVERIES OF THE TRUTH IN BIBLE PROPHECY CONCERNING THE IMMINENT HEALING AND UNITY OF THE CHURCH

I am mesmerized by the truth in bible prophecy that the Spirit of God has been revealing over the recent years. Secret things belong to God and those that are revealed belong to us and our children... (Deut 29: 29).

1. King Cyrus the great ruled his country 555 years Before Christ i.e. from 576 BC to 530 BC and authorised the rebuilding of the second temple in Jerusalem. Cyrus of the Old Testament is hence associated with the number 555 and is the shadow figure of incoming Cyrus II of the New Testament. You may learn more about his history from the internet and scriptures. This new truth enables us to identify the leadership of the world that will rebuild the temple in Jerusalem as prophesied in book of Isaiah before the rise of antichrist. Cyrus II is coming to revive the evangelical/Pentecostal church in Jerusalem and restore the headquarters of the church in same city where the church was born. He is set to strip Babylon of the vessels of the temple and the name of the Lord God and transfer that crown back to Jerusalem thus leaving Babylon naked. Cyrus will rebuild the temple in Jerusalem in fulfilment of the prophecy of Jesus as written in the book of John 2:18-23 and the prophecy of Isaiah as written in chapters 40, 41, 45 and 47 of the book of Isaiah. Jesus regarded the temple as the symbol of his own body while saying that he had the power to lay it down on the first day (1st millennium) and rebuild or raise it up on the 3rd day (3rd millennium). Remember that one day in the eyes of God is the same as one thousand years (millennium) as stated in book of 2 Peter 3:8. Rebuilding of the temple is thus associated with unification of the church.

Cyrus II will rebuild the temple in honour of our lord Jesus Christ. The temple will be the unifying (rallying) point of the world wide evangelical church as the original headquarters of the church. Psalms133 denotes that there is such a powerful anointing that comes along with unity among brethren. Unification of the whole body of Jesus Christ will make the church so powerful that she will overrun the world within a short time before the return of our lord Jesus Christ. A divided church is a powerless church whereas a united church is a powerful church. The church can only be able to fulfil her ultimate mission of revealing Jesus to the world once we get united as one body of Jesus Christ following his last prayer for his disciples as written in John 17:20-23.

Cyrus II will erase that false image of Jesus that the counterfeit and Idolatrous state church of Babylon has been projecting around the world and revive the original church that projects the true brilliant image of Jesus Christ. Haggai 2:9 says that the glory of the latter church (temple) will be greater than the glory of the former church (temple).The rise of Cyrus will also usher in the ultimate fulfilment of the prophecy of Joel 2:28 where God intends to pour out His Spirit on all flesh in these last days. The era of Cyrus brings the gentile period of grace to its close and leads to the restoration of the Jewish period of grace and salvation.

2. King Manasseh was the shadow figure (forerunner) of the antichrist in the Old Testament who ruled over Jerusalem exactly 666 years Before Christ i.e. from 697 BC to 642 BC. (2 chronicle 33: 1-2 and 2 kings 21: 1-17). Antichrist is associated with the number 666 as written in the book of Revelation 13:18. Manasseh was the most evil king to have ever ruled over the city of Jerusalem and kingdom of Judah.

Manasseh is reported to have killed so many innocent people in Jerusalem that the streets of Jerusalem were flowing with blood; he worshiped pagan idols and stars; he built pagan alters for idols and stars in the very courtyards of the temple; he sacrificed his sons to idols; he consulted diviners and mediums; he even set up an abominable pagan image at the temple that causes desolation just as the incoming antichrist will do. It was on that basis that God decided to have that first temple destroyed completely since Manasseh had desecrated it.

3. Prophet Jonah was the shadow figure (forerunner) of Jesus Christ in the Old Testament who undertook his prophetic ministry around 777 B.C. Prophet Jonah is hence associated with the number 777. He arose from the shadow and demise of Prophet Elisha. His preaching radiated such great power and authority that turned the city of Nineveh as the rising super power of that time up side down within 3 days only (read the book of Jonah). Jonah was the prophetic force behind the restoration of the lost territories of Israel in the reign of King Jeroboam II of Israel between 782 BC and 741 BC as written in II Kings 14:25. Jonah related with God more or less as his own father and God loved him more or less as His own son. He volunteered to die save occupants of the ship and was raised to life after three days just like Jesus Christ. Jesus compared himself with Jonah as his forerunner in the Old Testament as far as his earthly ministry, death and resurrection was concerned in Mathew 12; 38-41, Luke 11; 29-32. Jesus will also oversee the restoration of the lost territories of Israel just like prophet Jonah when he comes to rule as the king of kings and Lord of Lords. We can therefore correctly associate Jesus Christ with the number 777 just like Jonah as our commander-in-chief, Lord of the Sabbath and fountain of life.

The more we know where we came from the more we know where we are going. You are cordially invited to visit my face book home page for more information and messages. Feel free to share this truth with other brethren just as I received it free of charge from God.

Your brother in Christ

Eporu Ronald
Scientist & Minister of Bible Prophecy

This description of what it will look like as it begins is truly encouraging:

The Great Tsunami by Rick Joyner | MorningStar Prophetic Bulletins 2011

We will see events like hundreds of thousands of people gathering spontaneously for prayer and worship, becoming the biggest news stories of the day. News teams will be following apostolic teams and evangelists like they do politicians and business leaders now. Much more is happening now than most are aware of, or that is making the news, but when the Lord “suddenly comes into His temple,” it will be the news, and the whole world will be aware of it.

There will be individual newscasts from secular networks that will cause more to come to Christ than Christian networks have in their entire existence. This is not to negate what has been accomplished by Christian networks but rather to stress the impact that this revival will have. We will go through a period when the news of the great things God is doing will crowd out just about all other news around the world.

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