What has been added to scripture?

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"This message in Revelation in referring to the book of Revelation itself. The scriptures had been canonized 300 years before the New Testament was written and yet since then 27 books have been added with the addition of the New Testament. When the book of Revelation was written the New Testament had not been canonized and were not contained in one book as we know today as the Bible. It wasn’t until over 200 years later that the Bible was canonized into one book. So Revelation 22:18 is not saying that God will not add anything further to the Bible or that He will not reveal anything new thru divine revelation after it was written, it is simply saying that no one will add to the book of Revelation."
 

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"This message in Revelation in referring to the book of Revelation itself. The scriptures had been canonized 300 years before the New Testament was written and yet since then 27 books have been added with the addition of the New Testament. When the book of Revelation was written the New Testament had not been canonized and were not contained in one book as we know today as the Bible. It wasn’t until over 200 years later that the Bible was canonized into one book. So Revelation 22:18 is not saying that God will not add anything further to the Bible or that He will not reveal anything new thru divine revelation after it was written, it is simply saying that no one will add to the book of Revelation."
I agree. That is the context and the plain meaning of the same. What’s interesting is that Revelation was one of the last books accepted in the canon of scripture. Though I do dispute late date of a canonized scripture. It leads some to assume that no one had any idea of what constituted a canon prior to the 4th century. The church already had a good idea of what was canon before then with the exception of a few books, the Antilegemna. Meaning James, 2nd and 3 rd John 2nd Peter, Hebrews, Jude and revelation. It might be better to say the final canon rather than canonizes. The church recognized the status rather than making the status.
 
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The scriptures had been canonized 300 years before the New Testament was written...
Hello Daniel, before I comment on the rest of your OP, what are you referring to in your statement above? Since the NT was written in the 1st Century, I assume that you mean the OT was canonized, but where was it done and by which group/which Jewish council (and when exactly)?

I wasn't aware that the OT had been officially canonized until AFTER the NT had been written, so I'd be very interested to hear what you know about that.

Thanks :)

--David
 
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"This message in Revelation in referring to the book of Revelation itself. The scriptures had been canonized 300 years before the New Testament was written and yet since then 27 books have been added with the addition of the New Testament. When the book of Revelation was written the New Testament had not been canonized and were not contained in one book as we know today as the Bible. It wasn’t until over 200 years later that the Bible was canonized into one book. So Revelation 22:18 is not saying that God will not add anything further to the Bible or that He will not reveal anything new thru divine revelation after it was written, it is simply saying that no one will add to the book of Revelation."
Who was authorized to canonize?
Where is it written that somebody could?
 
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I agree. That is the context and the plain meaning of the same.

This is true, however, couldn't it be said that adding or taking away from anything God has inspired would be also a serious sin?

Deuteronomy 4:2 - Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Deuteronomy 12:32 - What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.
 
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Who was authorized to canonize?
Where is it written that somebody could?
As a matter of practical necessity, the faithful must be able to recognize Sacred Scripture from other, non-inspired writings.
 
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As a matter of practical necessity, the faithful must be able to recognize Sacred Scripture from other, non-inspired writings.

Who was given the authority to recognise and canonized scripture?
Who gave this authority, by what process?
 
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Who was given the authority to recognise and canonized scripture?
Who gave this authority, by what process?
The Church was given authority to bind and loose by Christ
 
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Who was given the authority to recognise and canonized scripture?
Who gave this authority, by what process?

See Matthew 18:17-20.

The Christian canon was formalized initially by the Synod of Hippo circa 390 or so AD based on the books generally accepted by the Church over time.

So to answer your question, Jesus Christ gave that authority to his apostles and that authority was handed down to their successors.
 
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"This message in Revelation in referring to the book of Revelation itself. The scriptures had been canonized 300 years before the New Testament was written and yet since then 27 books have been added with the addition of the New Testament. When the book of Revelation was written the New Testament had not been canonized and were not contained in one book as we know today as the Bible. It wasn’t until over 200 years later that the Bible was canonized into one book. So Revelation 22:18 is not saying that God will not add anything further to the Bible or that He will not reveal anything new thru divine revelation after it was written, it is simply saying that no one will add to the book of Revelation."

The curse found in the Revelation regarding adding to or taking away from the book was directed at the gnostic groups of the writer's time. Some of those groups were in the habit of copying Christian letters, and even the gospels, and re-writing them to support their teachings.

The Cainites were one such group known for rehabilitating villains of the bible, such as Cain, and portraying them as victims for having obtained the "secret knowledge" of gnosticism. The gospel of Judas is traced back to them.

It's the equivalent of rewriting history and portraying John Wilkes Booth as having obtained secret knowledge from Abraham Lincoln and then being killed to prevent him from passing it on.
 
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I agree. That is the context and the plain meaning of the same. What’s interesting is that Revelation was one of the last books accepted in the canon of scripture. Though I do dispute late date of a canonized scripture. It leads some to assume that no one had any idea of what constituted a canon prior to the 4th century. The church already had a good idea of what was canon before then with the exception of a few books, the Antilegemna. Meaning James, 2nd and 3 rd John 2nd Peter, Hebrews, Jude and revelation. It might be better to say the final canon rather than canonizes. The church recognized the status rather than making the status.
NPNF (V2-14)

Canon XXIV. (Greek xxvii.)

That nothing be read in church besides the Canonical Scripture.

Item, that besides the Canonical Scriptures nothing be read in church under the name of divine Scripture.

But the Canonical Scriptures are as follows:

Genesis.

Exodus.

Leviticus.

Numbers.

Deuteronomy.

Joshua the Son of Nun.

The Judges.

Ruth.

The Kings, iv. books.

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The Chronicles, ij. books.

Job.

The Psalter.

The Five books of Solomon.

The Twelve Books of the Prophets.

Isaiah.

Jeremiah.

Ezechiel.

Daniel.

Tobit.

Judith.

Esther.

Ezra, ij. books.

Macchabees, ij. books.

The New Testament.

The Gospels, iv. books.

The Acts of the Apostles, j. book.

The Epistles of Paul, xiv.

The Epistles of Peter, the Apostle, ij.

The Epistles of John the Apostle, iij.

The Epistles of James the Apostle, j.

The Epistle of Jude the Apostle, j.

The Revelation of John, j. book.

Let this be sent to our brother and fellow bishop, Boniface, and to the other bishops of those parts, that they may confirm this canon, for these are the things which we have received from our fathers to be read in church.

Notes.

Ancient Epitome of Canon XXIV.

Let nothing besides the canonical Scriptures be read in church.

This is Canon xxxvj. of Hippo., 393. The last phrase allowing the reading of the “passions of the Martyrs” on their Anniversaries is omitted from the African code.

Johnson.

These two books [i.e. the two Maccabees] are mentioned only in Dionysius Exiguus’s copy. See Can. Ap. ult., Can. Laod. ult.

“Boniface,” i.e., Bishop of Rome.

Philip Schaff: NPNF2-14. The Seven Ecumenical Councils - Christian Classics Ethereal Library CHURCH FATHERS: Council of Carthage (A.D. 419)
 
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Hello Daniel, before I comment on the rest of your OP, what are you referring to in your statement above? Since the NT was written in the 1st Century, I assume that you mean the OT was canonized, but where was it done and by which group/which Jewish council (and when exactly)?

I wasn't aware that the OT had been officially canonized until AFTER the NT had been written, so I'd be very interested to hear what you know about that.

Thanks :)

--David

The scriptures had been canonized 300 years before the New Testament was written...

David, I am assuming you were tired when you read my post.
 
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Who was authorized to canonize?
Where is it written that somebody could?

Every Community has the authority to define what books are authoritative for them.

Jesus gave authority to the Apostles to bind and Loose and the Apostles pass on their authority to church leaders. It was the church leaders in council like that in Acts 15 that defined the canon.

Show me where protestant groups defined their canon and by what authority, where was that written?
 
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This is true, however, couldn't it be said that adding or taking away from anything God has inspired would be also a serious sin?

Deuteronomy 4:2 - Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Deuteronomy 12:32 - What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

Where did God define the books of the Hebrew Scriptures and the Greek ones too?

Where is the canon of books written by God?
 
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Deuteronomy 4 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
Moses’ Warning to Obey God’s Laws
4 “Now, Israel, listen to the laws and to the commands that I teach you. Obey them and you will live. Then you can go in and take the land that the Lord, the God of your ancestors, is giving you. 2 You must not add to what I command you. And you must not take anything away. You must obey the commands of the Lord your God that I have given you.

3 “You have seen what the Lord did at Baal Peor. The Lord your God destroyed all your people who followed the false god Baal at that place. 4 But all of you who stayed with the Lord your God are alive today.

Deuteronomy 12:29-13:5 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
29 “You are going to take your land from other people. The Lord your God will destroy these people for you. You will force them out of that land, and then you will live there. 30 But be careful that you don’t fall into the same trap they did! Don’t go to their false gods for help. Don’t say to yourself, ‘They worshiped these gods, so I will worship them too.’ 31 Don’t do that to the Lord your God! These people do all kinds of bad things that the Lord hates. They even burn their children as sacrifices to their gods!

32 “You must be careful to do everything I command you. Don’t add anything to what I tell you, and don’t take anything away.

Don’t Serve Other Gods
13 “A prophet or someone who explains dreams might come to you and tell you that they will show you a sign or a miracle. 2 And the sign or miracle they told you about might come true. Then they might ask you to follow other gods (gods you don’t know) and say to you, ‘Let’s serve these gods!’ 3 Don’t listen to them, because the Lord your God is testing you. He wants to know if you love him with all your heart and all your soul. 4 You must follow the Lord your God. Respect him. Obey his commands and do what he tells you. Serve the Lord your God, and never leave him. 5 Also, you must kill that prophet or person who explains dreams, because they told you to turn against the Lord your God. And it was the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, where you were slaves. They tried to pull you away from the life he commanded you to live, so you must kill them to remove this evil from your people.

The context of your proof texts is not about the canon of scripture, nor the written word.
 
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Genesis: 1445-1405 BC
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Leviticus: 1445-1405 BC
Numbers: 1445-1405 BC
Deuteronomy: 1445-1405 BC
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Lamentations: 586 BC
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Psalm 151*: 400 BC-AD 100
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Jude: AD 68-70
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3 John: AD 90-95
Revelation: AD 94-96
 
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1cor 14:37
1 Corinthians 14:37 King James Version (KJV)
37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
 
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