Berliners offer Trump a piece of the Wall to commemorate the US' dedication to a world without walls

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Berliners are trolling Trump by shipping him a 2.7-ton piece of the Berlin Wall

US president Donald Trump will be receiving a special gift from Berlin residents on the 30th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall—a 2.7-ton section of the wall itself.

The stunt is squarely directed at Trump’s vow to build a wall along the US-Mexico border, a part of his “zero tolerance” immigration policy.

“We would like to give you one of the last pieces of the failed Berlin Wall to commemorate the United States’ dedication to building a world without walls,” says a message painted on the concrete slab, which is signed by “Citizens of Berlin.”
 

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That's so ignorant they inadvertently trolled themselves. The U.S. have never had a "dedication to building a world without walls", and a wall to keep people in Socialism (prison) is very different from a wall to keep people out (nation).
 
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By definition, a wall can work both ways, keeping people in and out. Prison walls are a good example. I support a grand wall to do just this, keep the bad people out and keep citizens from fleeing the country when things go sour.
 
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That's so ignorant they inadvertently trolled themselves. The U.S. have never had a "dedication to building a world without walls", and a wall to keep people in Socialism (prison) is very different from a wall to keep people out (nation).

"In dedicating this magnificent sculpture, may we dedicate ourselves to hastening the day when all God's children live in a world without walls. That would be the greatest empire of all." - Ronald Reagan

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This thread is a magnificent demonstration if the ignorance of the left. The Berlin Wall was all about the full control of communism on people. It was built to separate the freedom of democracy from the control of Communism. The communists couldn't have a typical border because everyone would have fled their empire to freedom. They couldn't let people in because they might bring freedom or items of freedom with them.

To claim it make it sound like Reagan was referring to a nations border in order to protect an invasion of immigrants is patently false and/or ignorant of the times. The Soviet Union didn't have millions a year trying to get in. They had people trying to get out, and they kept them from doing so using machine guns.

Berliners have forgotten their own history.
 
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This thread is a magnificent demonstration if the ignorance of the left.

No, it's a magnificent demonstration of the lengths Berliners will go to in order to troll Trump with a 3 ton block of concrete.
 
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"In dedicating this magnificent sculpture, may we dedicate ourselves to hastening the day when all God's children live in a world without walls. That would be the greatest empire of all." - Ronald Reagan

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:rolleyes:
 
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No, it's a magnificent demonstration of the lengths Berliners will go to in order to troll Trump with a 3 ton block of concrete.

Trolling someone is magnificent? lol!

North Korea has a wall for the same purpose as Berlin did. Control over their population. A magnificent demonstration would be Berliners showing that country that the world can be a better place for all if they put down their weapons, and opened themselves up to the world. They are a shining example of it.

That would be a true and meaningful demonstration, because they have 30 years of experience at this point.

Yet, they choose to troll instead. How magnificent!
 
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I never said so. But the scope of this trolling was newsworthy.
I disagree. They spent otherwise useful money "in the low five-figure range" to do nothing but demonstrate that deranged Trump haters are deranged. Not newsworthy. We already knew that.
 
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I disagree. They spent otherwise useful money "in the low five-figure range" to do nothing but demonstrate that deranged Trump haters are deranged. Not newsworthy. We already knew that.

Could be they have some strange thinking about social justice causes, and figured it was money better spent compared to the homeless or something.

I agree though. It was extremely wasteful.
 
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"In dedicating this magnificent sculpture, may we dedicate ourselves to hastening the day when all God's children live in a world without walls. That would be the greatest empire of all." - Ronald Reagan

-CryptoLutheran

In November 2009 friends of mine, who were in elementary school at the time, were invited to the Reagan Presidential Library in Simi Valley to participate in a "tear down this wall" event. It was held to
mark the 20th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall and teach lessons about it. Berliners offered President Reagan part of the actual wall, too. Not to troll his legacy, but out of gratitude and respect. It stands in the back of the grounds, one side towards the library, the other facing a stunningly beautiful view of mountains. President and Mrs. Reagan are buried not far from the wall.

“General Secretary Gorbachev, if you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, if you seek liberalization: Come here to this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, open this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!”

The Library actively encourages those who were separated by the wall to share their stories, and with permission, they are shared.

Checkpoint Charlie in Berlin also catalogues such accounts for preservation of history, with the hope it will not be repeated. There you can see all the stories of people escaping from East Berlin despite the wall. From the time of Nehemiah onwards, walls have only been effective long-term when there is perpetual strategy and expense invested into guarding them. Of course the Berlin Wall was but a mere thimble in size in comparison - 27 miles - to what a wall along the U.S. Southern border would be, and even with rigorous security in both East and West Berlin people triumphed on both sides of it, finding ways to get over and through.

In 2019, just before the 30th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall, there was a "build the wall" interactive display for young children at the White House Halloween celebration..........
 
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By definition, a wall can work both ways, keeping people in and out. Prison walls are a good example. I support a grand wall to do just this, keep the bad people out and keep citizens from fleeing the country when things go sour.

One of the most iconic speeches President Reagan ever delivered, one of the most celebrated in history, was written because Berliners impressed upon the speechwriter the fact you've just stated - that walls work both ways.

Reagan’s ‘Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall’ was almost left unsaid, recalls former speechwriter, now Hoover fellow - On the 30th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall, Ronald Reagan’s former speechwriter and current Hoover Institution fellow Peter M. Robinson shares what inspired those now famous words – “Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall” – and how they were almost cut from the speech.

The speechwriter found inspiration not from his personal observation or his meeting with an experienced high-ranking American diplomat, but from a dinner with Berliners. They shared their heartbreak about the wall severing not only their city but their families.

It was not until Robinson broke off from the advance team to join a group of Berliners for dinner that he finally found inspiration. Robinson, who himself was astounded by the wall’s omnipresence, asked his dinner companions if they had – as the diplomat insisted – really become used to the 27-mile barricade that enclosed their city.

“There was a silence. And I thought, I committed just the kind of gaffe that the diplomat wants the president to avoid. They looked at each other and one man pointed and said, ‘My sister lives just a few kilometers in that direction but I haven’t seen her in more than 20 years. How do you think we feel about that wall?’” Robinson said.

For the rest of the evening, the guests shared their experiences. Robinson realized that Berlin residents had simply stopped talking about the wall rather than become used to it.
 
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Checkpoint Charlie in Berlin also catalogues such accounts for preservation of history, with the hope it will not be repeated. There you can see all the stories of people escaping from East Berlin despite the wall.

What an awesome story! I really mean that.

When I was growing up there was a little boy, and his mother was ALWAYS close by when it came to almost anything. She walked him to school, and walked him home. This woman was basically attached at his hip, and we never knew why. We just accepted it. Where ever he was there - his mother was too. This was elementary school for me.

I will never forget the day we were all lining up by class to enter our elementary school, and for whatever reason someone asked her about her constant presence. She told us of escaping Germany with her family, and the Wall at that point wasn't done...but was being built at the time. Her family decided it was time to escape. She stood there telling us of the day they were shot at by machine guns it sounded like, and knowing they were leaving everything behind. Poverty and not knowing the future, but as a child she told us she didn't realize fully the scope of that. I got the impression she wasn't much older than we were - although she was older. I will never forget the fear she spoke about, and the risk for freedom that her family took. Her hiding at certain places as they were shot at, and then wondering if everyone will make it. They all knew someone could get killed. Many before had been killed. It was escape now, or they could they could lose their freedom forever. History didn't turn out that way of course, but they didn't know that at the time. I don't know if she lost someone, because after her story no one had the courage to ask. She ended the story rather abruptly, and wouldn't go on. It was the way she ended it that made us worry. It did make many of us wonder. We were kids, and were to scared to ask in that atmosphere to her to go on.

I thought of her that day when the wall came down. I wondered if she was able to reconnect with family, friends, etc. I wondered how she was. We had a friend that lived on the free side of Germany, and he was a Taxi driver. He was coming over for Holiday within months, and I asked him if he drove by the wall. He picked up a piece of the wall for me along with some the barbed wire that was within the cement. He came to the USA, and he hot glued it to a piece of plywood at friend's house. He wrote in German on a piece of paper about the location, date, etc. I still have it. It's a sorry looking thing, but it hangs on a wall. His memories aren't as clear to me about his experiences as a child during that time (yes he spoke of it too), but it certainly was a HUGE deal then.

It reminds me of North Korea today. The walls and borders that keep those people in, and they have no way of escape. If they can to China? They truly risk everything if they are caught, and sent back. If they left family behind? They are dead meat pretty much. There is no mercy there. Mercy wasn't high on the Priority list on the wrong side of Germany either. At least at that time in history.

It's amazing to me that people lose the point of the commemoration. Walls have different purposes, and I can picture today WHY a North Korean mother would follow their children to school, back home, and shadow them basically just like that mother did to many years ago. I hope to live to see the day that wall and border come down. That would be worth the money to engrave the rock and send it to the country that helped accomplish that. I pray one day it happens. I will never forget that woman that was truly traumatized by her childhood experiences of them trying to keep them in Germany. It's strange to me how history allows people to forget though. I guess it isn't a priority in History class anymore.
 
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It's a decent propaganda move but when you think about for more than two seconds a world without walls (by which I believe they mean borders) is utterly foolish.

If you accept walls on the local level, why should they be immoral or bad on the country or state level? Let's not forget that the purpose of the wall was prevent East Germans from leaving, not West Germans from entering.
 
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One of the most iconic speeches President Reagan ever delivered, one of the most celebrated in history, was written because Berliners impressed upon the speechwriter the fact you've just stated - that walls work both ways.

Reagan’s ‘Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall’ was almost left unsaid, recalls former speechwriter, now Hoover fellow - On the 30th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall, Ronald Reagan’s former speechwriter and current Hoover Institution fellow Peter M. Robinson shares what inspired those now famous words – “Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall” – and how they were almost cut from the speech.

The speechwriter found inspiration not from his personal observation or his meeting with an experienced high-ranking American diplomat, but from a dinner with Berliners. They shared their heartbreak about the wall severing not only their city but their families.

That's really interesting that 1 of the most famous speeches almost didn't include the most famous line!

My grandpa is a retired pilot for Delta. Remembers talking to passengers who have family split in 2 on account of the wall. One man hadn't seen his parents in decades. He'd been able to go to the US, wall went up while he was gone. Didn't get to see them again till it came down.

There's a lot of folks who live along the border with Mexico. Peacefully go back & forth for work, school, family. Have done that for generations back.
 
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It's a decent propaganda move but when you think about for more than two seconds a world without walls (by which I believe they mean borders) is utterly foolish.

If you accept walls on the local level, why should they be immoral or bad on the country or state level? Let's not forget that the purpose of the wall was prevent East Germans from leaving, not West Germans from entering.

What's foolish is the propaganda that we can't have borders without walls, lol. Like Stanfordella said the effectiveness of the wall is only as good as the monitoring of it. Trust she's correct that that Berlin Wall was only 27 miles long. In comparison to the thousands of miles along the Mexican border. What is Donald's budget & plan for maintaining, guarding the wall into perpetuity in the future?
 
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What's foolish is the propaganda that we can't have borders without walls, lol. Like Stanfordella said the effectiveness of the wall is only as good as the monitoring of it. Trust she's correct that that Berlin Wall was only 27 miles long. In comparison to the thousands of miles along the Mexican border. What is Donald's budget & plan for maintaining, guarding the wall into perpetuity in the future?

Walls as an obstacle to help prevent illegal crossings are entirely reasonable accompaniment to a border. Combine that with a crack down on companies hiring illegals, actually deporting illegal aliens and making it generally untenable for the illegal alien to make a living in the US, you compound the disincentive to actually be in the US in the first place.

I didn't suggest walls were necessary, only that comparing Trump's wall to the Berlin wall makes no sense. There is at most a symbolic value to it but purposes of the two walls were/are very different.
 
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I maxed out the title length on this.

Berliners are trolling Trump by shipping him a 2.7-ton piece of the Berlin Wall

US president Donald Trump will be receiving a special gift from Berlin residents on the 30th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall—a 2.7-ton section of the wall itself.

The stunt is squarely directed at Trump’s vow to build a wall along the US-Mexico border, a part of his “zero tolerance” immigration policy.

“We would like to give you one of the last pieces of the failed Berlin Wall to commemorate the United States’ dedication to building a world without walls,” says a message painted on the concrete slab, which is signed by “Citizens of Berlin.”

FYI! I think you're in LA! The Annenberg Space for Photography (in Century City behind CAA) has an incredible exhibit going on now through the end of December called W|ALLS: Defend, Divide, and the Divine!

It's free!
 
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What an awesome story! I really mean that.

When I was growing up there was a little boy, and his mother was ALWAYS close by when it came to almost anything. She walked him to school, and walked him home. This woman was basically attached at his hip, and we never knew why. We just accepted it. Where ever he was there - his mother was too. This was elementary school for me.

I will never forget the day we were all lining up by class to enter our elementary school, and for whatever reason someone asked her about her constant presence. She told us of escaping Germany with her family, and the Wall at that point wasn't done...but was being built at the time. Her family decided it was time to escape. She stood there telling us of the day they were shot at by machine guns it sounded like, and knowing they were leaving everything behind. Poverty and not knowing the future, but as a child she told us she didn't realize fully the scope of that. I got the impression she wasn't much older than we were - although she was older. I will never forget the fear she spoke about, and the risk for freedom that her family took. Her hiding at certain places as they were shot at, and then wondering if everyone will make it. They all knew someone could get killed. Many before had been killed. It was escape now, or they could they could lose their freedom forever. History didn't turn out that way of course, but they didn't know that at the time. I don't know if she lost someone, because after her story no one had the courage to ask. She ended the story rather abruptly, and wouldn't go on. It was the way she ended it that made us worry. It did make many of us wonder. We were kids, and were to scared to ask in that atmosphere to her to go on.

I thought of her that day when the wall came down. I wondered if she was able to reconnect with family, friends, etc. I wondered how she was. We had a friend that lived on the free side of Germany, and he was a Taxi driver. He was coming over for Holiday within months, and I asked him if he drove by the wall. He picked up a piece of the wall for me along with some the barbed wire that was within the cement. He came to the USA, and he hot glued it to a piece of plywood at friend's house. He wrote in German on a piece of paper about the location, date, etc. I still have it. It's a sorry looking thing, but it hangs on a wall. His memories aren't as clear to me about his experiences as a child during that time (yes he spoke of it too), but it certainly was a HUGE deal then.

It reminds me of North Korea today. The walls and borders that keep those people in, and they have no way of escape. If they can to China? They truly risk everything if they are caught, and sent back. If they left family behind? They are dead meat pretty much. There is no mercy there. Mercy wasn't high on the Priority list on the wrong side of Germany either. At least at that time in history.

It's amazing to me that people lose the point of the commemoration. Walls have different purposes, and I can picture today WHY a North Korean mother would follow their children to school, back home, and shadow them basically just like that mother did to many years ago. I hope to live to see the day that wall and border come down. That would be worth the money to engrave the rock and send it to the country that helped accomplish that. I pray one day it happens. I will never forget that woman that was truly traumatized by her childhood experiences of them trying to keep them in Germany. It's strange to me how history allows people to forget though. I guess it isn't a priority in History class anymore.
Hi; I visited the (former) Berlin Wall a number of years ago...

A lot of it has been removed...
 
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