Why do Christians support Donald Trump?

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Most populous state, not the largest.

But that is my point there. He knew how to be a good President because of that job, unlike Trump.
Governors and current/former VPs have historically been favored candidates in Presidential elections. Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, GHW Bush, Bill Clinton and GW Bush. With GHW Bush being the last elected governor. Since then Obama as a freshmen Senator and now Trump a real estate developer and businessmen.

How many governors are viable candidates in the 2020 Democrat field? I know Biden fits the mold, so I guess you will be supporting him.

And notice who just entered the race. Businessmen and former mayor of NYC Bloomberg. Hey he has his own media outlet too!
 
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I don't agree that he has shown everyone he is a racist and I do believe that saying that is a violation of the flaming rules. I also do not know that there is evidence that he committed crimes only accusations, speculation and innuendo not actual evidence, if you have seen such evidence I would be interested to see it. As for the other things , other than the Pittsburgh reference which I do not know anything about, I don't see anything wrong with any of them.
Remember say something enough over and over and people start believing it.
 
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I was specifically talking about Joe Biden's behavior as the VP.
Ah, so he can use his office as VP to extort a foreign government helping out his son make $$ and his behavior is just fine. Got it. ;)

When Obamacare was passed and Biden introduced Obama to sign it, it was the first time I heard the "F" word from a politician on live TV. I guess that's fine too? Or when he creepily sniffs women's hair from ages teen to 70? I have pictures of that if you want.
 
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In 2016 many voters did not support either candidate and voted for Donald Trump just to keep Hillary Clinton out of the White House. When I asked people why they like Trump, that was the most common reason they gave me.

Three years later we have seen the disaster Trump's administration has been from January 20, 2017 to now. If you like Trump, what are your reasons for this at face value? My confusion is I read about him and see a man who does not know how to lead a nation, but instead only cares about money (which God hates) and absolute power (which only God has) from my POV.

Please avoid discussing the "He is not a Democrat" and "I hate Hillary Clinton" arguments. This question is strictly about Trump, not the entire Republican Party platform.

His accomplishments while in office speak for themselves, even if they are ignored by so many people. Here is a list of them. It's only part of why people will vote for him again: Trump Administration Accomplishments | The White House
 
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In the subject you ask why do you support him. in your OP you ask why do you like him. Those are very different questions.

I don't like him. I actually can't stand him.
As to whether or not I support him, I really don't. I don't defend his reckless behavior or the stupid things he says.

You must understand that I have a realistic perspective on what is coming my way in the next election from both parties. When I vote for Trump the next time it will not be because I like him or support him or his policies. It will be because the stated goals of the democratic party are so loathsome to me, so profoundly threatening to my way of life and my belief's, that I cannot in good conscience vote blue.

So from my point of view I am being forced to vote this way because there are no better alternatives. And in case you are wondering, yes, I do find this most distressing, but what can I really do? What choice do I have?
 
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His accomplishments while in office speak for themselves, even if they are ignored by so many people. Here is a list of them. It's only part of why people will vote for him again: Trump Administration Accomplishments | The White House
There are quite a few more which are ready to go...The new trade deals out there that many Democrats want too, but Nancy is too busy with impeachment stuff and does not want to give Donald another victory.
 
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In the subject you ask why do you support him. in your OP you ask why do you like him. Those are very different questions.

I don't like him. I actually can't stand him.
As so whether or not I support him, I really don't. I don't defend his reckless behavior or the stupid things he says.

You must understand that I have a realistic perspective on what is coming my way in the next election from both parties. When I vote for Trump the next time it will not be because I like him or support him or his policies. It will be because the stated goals of the democratic party are so loathsome to me, so profoundly threatening to my way of life and my belief's, that I cannot in good conscience vote blue.

So from my point of view I am being forced to vote this way because there are no better alternatives. And in case you are wondering, yes, I do find this most distressing, but what can I really do? What choice do I have?

It seems like whenever this type of thread is made with the questions the OP tries to ask, the implication seems to be that if you don't personally like the person, you should vote for someone else, even if that would mean getting someone who you won't like due to policy issues and how that would lead the country in a direction you wouldn't want it to go. With that said, here's my personal views:

Do I like Trump personally? No. I didn't vote for him in the primary, which means I preferred someone else. My choice at the time was Ted Cruz. However, that choice was removed, leaving me with voting for Trump, Clinton, or someone with no chance of winning, or just staying home on election day. Taking everything into consideration, I voted for Trump because the alternative was Clinton, which is someone I did NOT agree with as far as policies are concerned. If the election was being redone today and I had the same options, I'd still vote for Trump. I still don't wish Clinton was president.

As for the next election, the real options we have are either Trump, or Biden/Warren/Bloomberg. Taking everything into consideration, including my certain personal dislikes of Trump, I would vote for Trump.

To answer the OP's title directly, Trump opposes abortion, gun control, open borders, and supports a generally conservative base of policies. Not liking him on a personal level would not have me vote against him for someone who takes a more liberal stance.
 
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As for the next election, the real options we have are either Trump, or Biden/Warren/Bloomberg. Taking everything into consideration, including my certain personal dislikes of Trump, I would vote for Trump.
But, but, but Trump is so mean!
 
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I can kind of understand where Never Trump conservatives (what's left of them, anyway) are coming from. Because respectability or something, idk.

But I don't think non-conservatives have any right to be surprised by President Trump's support, particularly from Christians. These people were told for at least twenty years that they should check their faith at the door, that we elect Presidents rather than pastors or priests. These types of Christians apparently came around to the opposition's way of thinking. So they did not vote for one any of the outspoken Christians in the 2016 primaries. Rather, they voted for the candidate who promised to have their collective back.

Speaking of which, I think it's obvious that these types of Christians are seeking a political bodyguard. These voters have had quite a lot of social change rammed down their throats in the past several years (or decades). They've made no secret of their concerns over "same-sex marriage", unchecked illegal immigration, drug epidemics and so forth. At each step of the way, they were told "you lost, deal with it", "nobody cares about you or your precious little religious freedom", "get over it", etc.

My question for the left is: What did you think would happen? Did you believe that there wouldn't be consequences for any of that? Were you expecting to never pay a price for that type of discourse?

A lot of Christians fear persecution in the future. You can dismiss that as unlikely as much as you want. But that's how a lot of them see it. They're expecting great difficulties in the years to come. Whether or not they're right about that was never the point. In good faith, that's how they see it. And just about the time their concerns were reaching a fever pitch, President Trump presented himself as someone who can move the needle on the issues they care about.

Worse (for the left), they've seen President Trump make genuine advancements on the pro-life cause, immigration and other issues. President Trump has largely validated their decision to vote for him. Do you honestly believe they're less likely to vote for him now than they were back in 2016? Ha!

Worst of all (maybe for all of us), these types of Christians believe that President Trump is shining a light on "the DC establishment", "the elite", "the deep state" or whatever you want to call it. They now see (or think they see) very little relevant difference between Democrats and Republicans. They think politics at this level is a game of touch football, where the two sides pretend to disagree in public but, behind closed doors, pat each other on the back for a job well done in ripping off the American people. Goings on since January 20, 2017 have done NOTHING to change their opinions. On the contrary, they've been reinforced.

Again, it doesn't matter if these Christians are factually right or factually wrong. This is what they believe. And now they see President Trump as a champion for their causes. It's hard to argue that he hasn't advanced their agenda in ways no previous Republican President has even attempted.

No less than the New York Times is admitting that President Trump's base is bigger now than it was even in 2016. If 2020 is a referendum on President Trump's first term, say hello to his second term.

Nice answer!

1) I will add/ elaborate liberals have been wanting to challenge religious liberties. And you Catholics under Obama took the brunt of that with them forcing Catholic colleges to carry contraception in their insurance, forcing Catholic orphanages to let lesbian and gay couples to adopt their children etc. Anyway for the rest of the Christians in the US their has been a threat of encroachment by the State their have been ominious quotes from both Obama and Hillary that this sort of thing would continue that Christians simply need to get over their "deeply held religious convictions" anytime that is at odds with the Democratic Party. And well Trump has actually championed the rights of churches against that especially when it comes to free speech rights many people believe that Christian churches essentially give up their speech rights do to 501C Tax exempt status etc.


2) There was a great article from Hot Air that really summarized my position in the few weeks after the 2016 election when liberals were trying to guilt conservatives for voting for Trump in light of all the "moral" issues of Stormy, past adultery etc. It pointed out the Alinsky game of making your opponents live up to "their morals". Meanwhile this sort of thing is basically always ignored by them unless it is always convenient. The whole issue of Bill Clinton back in the days of Lewinsky vs. now in the #METOO is the perfect example. Dems were happy to frame everything about Clinton back then as "just about sex", and basically trivial even though there were more serious reasons to take Clinton honesty as being more serious (lieing under oath etc.) and there were stories about Juanita Broderick and some other women that suggested things were not just about sex outside of marriage, but sexual assault etc. But anyway the bottom line is conservatives are sick of being suckers for these kind of games. If liberals can have someone who they elect that is their to purely push their policies and not give a crap about their character then so can we.... In the words of the columnist "Trump is my Obama. I elected him to be a blunt instrument to champion my policies."
 
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How many governors are viable candidates in the 2020 Democrat field? I know Biden fits the mold, so I guess you will be supporting him.

I started this thread to ask about Trump. Your question can be saved for a different thread.

But I can say this here: I am not favoring any specific Democratic candidate at this time.
 
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Ah, so he can use his office as VP to extort a foreign government helping out his son make $$ and his behavior is just fine. Got it.

I never said anything like that. He has nothing to do with the fact that Donald Trump is unqualified for his job and why I want to know the reasons Christians support the current President.
 
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Trump is against abortion. For Christians that makes him a slam dunk.

As I stated in my OP, Republicans can support any candidate in their party. The question is why Trump as opposed to someone else who is pro-life? No, it does not make him a slam dunk at all, because other pro-life candidates ran against him in 2016.
 
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NlAnd well Trump has actually championed the rights of churches against that especially when it comes to free speech rights many people believe that Christian churches essentially give up their speech rights do to 501C Tax exempt status etc.




2) There was a great article from Hot Air that really summarized my position in the few weeks after the 2016 election when liberals were trying to guilt conservatives for voting for Trump in light of all the "moral" issues of Stormy, past adultery etc. It pointed out the Alinsky game of making your opponents live up to "their morals". Meanwhile this sort of thing is basically always ignored by them unless it is always convenient. The whole issue of Bill Clinton back in the days of Lewinsky vs. now in the #METOO is the perfect example. Dems were happy to frame everything about Clinton back then as "just about sex", and basically trivial even though there were more serious reasons to take Clinton honesty as being more serious (lieing under oath etc.) and there were stories about Juanita Broderick and some other women that suggested things were not just about sex outside of marriage, but sexual assault etc. But anyway the bottom line is conservatives are sick of being suckers for these kind of games. If liberals can have someone who they elect that is their to purely push their policies and not give a crap about their character then so can we.... In the words of the columnist "Trump is my Obama. I elected him to be a blunt instrument to champion my policies."

Our Church appreciates Trumps stance there.
Along with abortion
two very important issues.
Game killers for many Christians.
M-Bob
 
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I started this thread to ask about Trump. Your question can be saved for a different thread.

But I can say this here: I am not favoring any specific Democratic candidate at this time.
Understand. I guess we went off topic a bit with your comments on political experience. I guess my point was there was a time from the 70s to early 2000s which pundits said you cannot be a viable candidate to get the party nomination unless you were a former VP or state governor. Obama broke that mold as a freshmen senator with no experience.
 
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As I stated in my OP, Republicans can support any candidate in their party. The question is why Trump as opposed to someone else who is pro-life? No, it does not make him a slam dunk at all, because other pro-life candidates ran against him in 2016.

Because voting for someone who is pro-life but has no chance of actually being elected would result in a pro-abortion opponent winning the election. It's no different now than in 2016. A person could have voted for a write-in candidate for Republican. One person could have written-in Ted Cruz, another could write-in Ben Carson, and another writes-in Marco Rubio etc., and then we end up with Clinton as a result.
 
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He did not beat Hillary. More people voted for her.
Um, yeah did defeat her. More people voted for President Trump in the places that matter. You do understand how the Electoral College works, yes?
 
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