The effect of Free Will on Scripture.

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LittleLambofJesus said:
He also wrote on the ground with His finger...:)

What do you and others believe He wrote down?
"I am surrounded by weenies."
Perhaps. They had free will to either stone her or not and decided not to.

They became the weenies at the weenie roast in the gehenna fire of 70AD Jerusalem.........

John 8:
1And at dawn he came again to the temple, 2and all the people were coming unto him, and having sat down, he was teaching them; 3and the scribes and the Pharisees bring unto him a woman having been taken in adultery, and having set her in the midst

Matthew 23:33 "Serpents! offspring of vipers!
how? ye may be fleeing from the judging<2920> of the Gehenna<1067>

Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of the tormenting of them is ascending into Ages to-Ages. And not they are having Rest<372> day and night [Matt 11:29/Hebrew 4:3]

Revelation 19:3 And a second-time they have declared "allelouia and the smoke of Her is ascending into the Ages of the Ages".

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
Proof that Matthew 24 was fully fulfilled in 70 AD!
Also see:
Rapture refuted

The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover

,Meanwhile the Temple continued burning, until at length, vast as was its size, the flames completely enveloped the, whole building ; which, from the extent of the conflagration, impressed the distant spectator with an idea that the whole city was now on fire. The tumult and disorder which ensued upon this event, it is impossible (says Josephus) for language to describe. The Roman legions made the most horrid outcries ; the rebels, finding themselves exposed to the fury of both fire and sword, screamed dreadfully............... The lamentations from the city wore re-echoed from the adjacent mountains, and places beyond Jordan. The flames which enveloped the Temple were so violent and impetuous, that the lofty hill. on which it stood appeared, even front its deep foundations, as one large body of fire.

Of the Jews destroyed during the siege, Josephus reckons not less than ONE MILLION AND ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND, to which must be added, above TWO-HUNDRED AND THIRTY-SEVEN THOUSAND who perished in other places

 
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Perhaps. They had free will to either stone her or not and decided not to.
Perhaps.... IS IT WRITTEN, whether or not they got her later ?

i.e. they just "appeared" to change their mind, and walked away, until they had a chance to play mean.
 
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Perhaps.... IS IT WRITTEN, whether or not they got her later ?

i.e. they just "appeared" to change their mind, and walked away, until they had a chance to play mean.

Where is it written that Jesus, Judas, and Peter didn't have a song-and-dance routine, but Judas had two left feet and a tin ear, so he got replaced by Luke, and that was why Judas actually went sour?
 
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LittleLambofJesus said:
What do you and others believe He wrote down?
Perhaps. They had free will to either stone her or not and decided not to.
They became the weenies at the weenie roast in the gehenna fire of 70AD Jerusalem.........
GOD's WORD!
Then later, His Messengers WROTE HIS WORD, directed by Yahuweh > NEW TESTAMENT!

Or He could have wrote the verses of Daniel 5:26-27. Their kingdom, city and temple came to an end in the holocaust/gehenna of 70AD
Jesus quoted from Daniel in the NT.......

Daniel 5:
5In the same hour came forth the fingers of a man's hand, and wrote over against the lampstand on the plaster of the wall of the king's palace: and the king saw the part of the hand that wrote. 6Then the king's face was changed in him, and his thoughts troubled him; and the joints of his thighs were loosened, and his knees struck one against another.

24Then was the part of the hand sent from before him, and this writing was inscribed.
25This is the writing that was inscribed: MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN. 26This is the interpretation of the thing: MENE; God has numbered your kingdom, and brought it to an end; 2
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TEKEL; you are weighed in the balances, and are found wanting.
28PERES; your kingdom is divided, and given to the Medes and Persians.

Revelation 6:5
And when it opens up the third seal, I hear of the third living one saying: "Be coming"! And I am looking and I see and behold! A black horse, and the one sitting down upon it having a scale/balance in the hand of him.
 
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Hi Dave.. thanks for this. So many choices. Well we can look at this as WONDERFUL.. I never read it like you did. I never saw that before. Or get up set say how wrong they are lol blah blah blah blah. Before I even read your post I wanted to make sure I am trying to see it through your eyes . Not through my own eyes. Thanks Dave.. I really like this. Oh did Paul write the NT? :)

I think GOD can still WRITE through those who LOVE HIM and serve Him!
 
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I think GOD can still WRITE through those who LOVE HIM and serve Him!
Write, and speak, and DO, the Father's Word.... (as Instructed in the NT)

AND WHO writes TORAH on our hearts ? (the ONLY Author /Originator/ Source and the ONLY One Who Is Able to? )
 
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Tra Phull said:
So God started this thread?
yeshuaslavejeff said:
? Yahuweh wrote on stone with His Finger, the ten words,
but He's TOO OLD to learn how to use the internet, eh !?
LittleLambofJesus said:
What do you and others believe He wrote down?
LittleLambofJesus said:
Perhaps. They had free will to either stone her or not and decided not to.
They became the weenies at the weenie roast in the gehenna fire of 70AD Jerusalem........
Or He could have wrote the verses of Daniel 5:26-27. Their kingdom, city and temple came to an end in the holocaust/gehenna of 70AD
Jesus quoted from Daniel in the NT.......

Daniel 5:
5In the same hour came forth the fingers of a man's hand, and wrote over against the lampstand on the plaster of the wall of the king's palace: and the king saw the part of the hand that wrote. 6Then the king's face was changed in him, and his thoughts troubled him; and the joints of his thighs were loosened, and his knees struck one against another.

24Then was the part of the hand sent from before him, and this writing was inscribed.
25This is the writing that was inscribed: MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN. 26This is the interpretation of the thing: MENE; God has numbered your kingdom, and brought it to an end; 2
7
TEKEL; you are weighed in the balances, and are found wanting.
28PERES; your kingdom is divided, and given to the Medes and Persians.

Revelation 6:5
And when it opens up the third seal, I hear of the third living one saying: "Be coming"! And I am looking and I see and behold! A black horse, and the one sitting down upon it having a scale/balance in the hand of him.

"OR"?
Either way, or any way, if it was "Word(s)" He Wrote, it is/was God's Word.... :)
I never said any different :)
 
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Free will if upheld in your thinking results in legalism.

No it doesn't. Not at all! We do what comes naturally according to our born again divine nature that doesn't commit willful sin. But this concept goes right over your head.
 
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You said "OR", that is what I was referring to.
IT could have been "AND" (as in yes, it is God's Word(as I posted it is)) and this is what it may have been (specifically)> etc.
Ok.............
 
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The Scripture says that if we delight ourselves in the Lord, He will give us the desires of our heart.

What this means to me is that if I am seeking the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and am delighting myself in the Lord, I can do as my heart pleases. I can choose to do whatever I like. I can't get a better deal than that!
 
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The Scripture says that if we delight ourselves in the Lord, He will give us the desires of our heart.

What this means to me is that if I am seeking the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and am delighting myself in the Lord, I can do as my heart pleases. I can choose to do whatever I like. I can't get a better deal than that!
IF someone, anyone, IS DELIGHTING IN TORAH, Seeking the Kingdom of God and His Righteousness,
WHAT does their heart desire ? (this is absolutely and eternally vital and important TODAY)
 
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IF someone, anyone, IS DELIGHTING IN TORAH, Seeking the Kingdom of God and His Righteousness,
WHAT does their heart desire ? (this is absolutely and eternally vital and important TODAY)
If a person delights in the Lord then whatever they choose is going to be consistent with their new heart and spirit, and so they won't choose anything that would not give praise and glory to Christ. And they wouldn't go anywhere they wouldn't want to take Jesus with them.
 
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The Scripture says that if we delight ourselves in the Lord, He will give us the desires of our heart.

What this means to me is that if I am seeking the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and am delighting myself in the Lord, I can do as my heart pleases. I can choose to do whatever I like. I can't get a better deal than that!
Gotta circumcise that heart.............

Jeremiah 17:10
I Yahweh, searching heart, examining the affections/kidneys/ 03629 kilyah
and giving to man ways of him, as fruit of his doings. [Reve 2:23]

Revelation 2:23 And the offspring of her I shall be killing in death.
And shall be knowing all the Assemblies that I AM the One searching kidneys/nefrouV <3510> and hearts
and I shall be giving to ye each according to the works of ye. [Jeremiah 17:10]

Rev 14:12
Here is endurance of the saints: here are those keeping the commands of God and the faith of Jesus.'

NC Gentile version of the 10 Commandments


 
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First - a bit of a preface to my remarks concerning what you have written in the OP.

Of the two strains of believers associated with these concepts (Calvinists and non or anti Calvinists) - both believe in free will. That is assuming you mean the term as most mean it. I.e. all people can make choices as they want to and without God or anyone else forcing them to.

(Obviously no created being can have total freedom to do as they like. They can't fly for instance even if they truly want to do so. Also - to do total justice to the subject we'd have to revisit the idea of the "bondage of the will" in detail. I doubt that you have in mind that we do that here.)

Of the before mentioned strains of believers mentioned above - I self identify directly as neither.

Having said that - I generally see things more from the so called Calvinistic perspective than the so called Arminian perspective.
Jesus said “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” John 3:16 (KJV 1900)

Again, notice how we can read this passage and have two different results. Free Will sees this passage as law calling for obedience. Assuming whoever chooses to believe should not perish. But the other sees believing as evidence God saved the person or they would not believe.
I have never taken that verse to mean anything other than how the "Free Will" people see it.

There are other verses that show me that there must be some kind of grace that draws me to the Lord in order for me to believe. But not this one.

Also I know of no Calvinist or anyone of that general point of view who would say that people believe "because they are saved". All, even the most hard core 5-pointers, say that one must believe "to be saved".

In fact (we've talked about this before) I've been around Calvinists for some 35 years or so now (I was a teaching elder in the Presbyterian church for many years) and you're the absolute first person who says that one must be saved in order to believe and or that one is saved before they believe.
 
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Gotta circumcise that heart.............

Jeremiah 17:10
I Yahweh, searching heart, examining the affections/kidneys/ 03629 kilyah
and giving to man ways of him, as fruit of his doings. [Reve 2:23]

Revelation 2:23 And the offspring of her I shall be killing in death.
And shall be knowing all the Assemblies that I AM the One searching kidneys/nefrouV <3510> and hearts
and I shall be giving to ye each according to the works of ye. [Jeremiah 17:10]

Rev 14:12
Here is endurance of the saints: here are those keeping the commands of God and the faith of Jesus.'

NC Gentile version of the 10 Commandments


The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, gentleness, kindness, patience, goodness, faithfulness and self control. Against such, there is no law.

If a believer is conducting him or herself according to the fruit of the Spirit, they are obeying every command of God and of Christ without exception.
 
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