Do God protect His chosen from rape?

Aldebaran said:

In all my time here, I have never witnessed such a display of arrogance, self righteousness, judgement and passive-aggressiveness in a single post.

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If you desire, I can show you a way to life, which will enable you "time" to witness a lot more of what you desire to witness.

Aldebaran said:

What he revealed to you was what scripture (the words of the Master) says. Does thou not believeth scripture?
Wow, dude! Just WOW!

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OK, you got me. I believe you.... You will die.

Is it ok with you if me and RDkirk go on to life? Or would you prefer that everyone follow you?

RaymondG said:

I understand

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I don't know what you understand, but I guess that's good.

BryanJohnMaloney said:

Too bad about molested children, they're all unholy beasts in your eyes, since God didn't protect them.

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It is the parents job to protect their children. Even the animals protect their children. This is a part of the hormones involved with being a parent. I know with cats though. They can put out a litter every 5 months. The older kittens are then on their own to take care of themselves.

Strong10 said:

We pray to saints, if all believers are saints (which is nowhere mentioned in NT) we must pray to all dead believers.
But remember there is believers in OT too, but God commanded Israel to kill those who call the dead.

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Pray FOR Saints, Pray FOR men, don't pray TO them. The only entity you should pray TO is God.
This is part of why I dislike Orthodoxy and Catholicism and even some of the new age Evangelical mega churches and televangelists. They put too much emphasis in mortal religious leaders

PloverWing said:

can find themselves to be the victim of violence: murder, armed robbery, rape and other kinds of assault, and so on.

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What about armed robbery. I remember once I was at a gas station late in the day or early evening, so it was starting to get dark out and there was not anyone there except for the guy working in the gas station. Some guy walked up to me and showed me a gun. I thought he was a friend of the guy at the station and so I just talked to him about the gun. What kind of gun is that, what ammo does it use and so on. Then I got distracted by something and went to walk away, when I looked back he was gone. I even asked the guy that was working where did his friend go. The guy said: "what friend"? Then I realized that maybe he showed me a gun to see what my reaction would be. If I had realized he wanted to rob me I may have shoved it down his throat. As it was he was friendly with me so I was friendly with him and that was the end of it.

I knew a Christian women that was raped and even ended up with a child from that rape. The guy was someone that was having problems and she was trying to help him. They got into some sort of fight or argument and she should have left but she did not leave and he ended up raping her. The law of attraction people would say she brought this on herself in some way. I do not think we can sweep the law of attraction under the carpet. This is an issue we have to discuss when talking about things like this. Clearly children want love, acceptance, positive affirmation. Clearly there are dysfunctional people out there they will harm them and abuse them. 20% of children are investigated or evaluated for sexual abuse. This does fall into the 20 - 80 rule guidelines.

I do not have answers. I have questions like everyone else. I think there are four or five areas that need to be a part of the discussion. For example we are told in everything we are to give thanks. Really, in this case, just what is it we are to be thankful for? I suppose we can be thankful that the goodness of God is greater then the evil we have to overcome. The more evil we have to deal with, the more power and strength we have from God to overcome and live a life of victory. Even if we need God to heal our memories and go back in time to deliver us from the pain - misery & suffering we had to endure.

We have tests - trials & tribulations in life. The grace of God is given to help us to overcome and live a life of victory as a born again believe. Wash, cleanse, healed and delivered in and though the Blood of Jesus. Sometimes forgiveness is the difficult part. Even if we are the ones that benefit the most when we forgive others for their transgressions.

Jamdoc said:

Pray FOR Saints

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I have had friends and family in Heaven pray for me. They know how to pray the will of God and they know how to get results in Heaven. The problem here on Earth is we do not always know the will of God for us. WE do not have the understanding that they have in Heaven.

Aldebaran said:

It seems that that's about all we can do. Other than that, it would be easy to assume that people who believe that way must be either very young, or very isolated. If they've been on this earth for awhile, they've witnessed people dying. They've been to the funerals of loved ones who were believers. However, I'm sure they've never met anyone who says they're a "true Christian" and have been alive for the past 200 or 500 or maybe even 1500 years. Heck, if there's no single person on this earth who has been alive for the past 2,000 years, it means that every single person who was alive and got saved in the days of the early church just after Christ Himself and the apostles were here were never truly saved because they all died.

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It's a scary thought to even harbor, that nobody has ever been saved because every single person who has ever been born has died, despite Christ's sacrifice
The Thief on the cross next to Jesus. Jesus promised Him he was saved and would be in paradise with Him.
If their belief that if you're truly saved you'll live forever without ever physically dying and never get sick and nothing ever bad will happen to you, and if anything bad happens it's proof that you're not saved... if that was true. Then Jesus would have been breaking his promise.
That's a terrifying thought.
I'm glad I believe in Christ NEVER breaking promises, and I believe that thief who professed his faith to Christ on the cross is in Heaven now, with Christ, in the Kingdom of God, waiting for the resurrection and new creation.

public hermit said:

So, please do not try to imply that rape is somehow evidence that one is not Christian.

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Could we say that this is evidence that they are not walking in the power and authority that we have in Christ? Or that the people assigned to protect them are not walking in that power and authority?

joshua 1 9 said:

I have had friends and family in Heaven pray for me. They know how to pray the will of God and they know how to get results in Heaven. The problem here on Earth is we do not always know the will of God for us. WE do not have the understanding that they have in Heaven.

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Exactly, pray TO God FOR other people. Don't pray TO other people.

Jamdoc said:

The Thief on the cross next to Jesus. Jesus promised Him he was saved and would be in paradise with Him.

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Almost as if all we have to do to be saved is to ask Jesus to save us.

Jamdoc said:

Exactly, pray TO God FOR other people. Don't pray TO other people.

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We need to join together with others in prayer: "Again, I tell you truly that if two of you on the earth agree about anything you ask for, it will be done for you by My Father in heaven. For where two or three gather together in My name, there am I with them.” (Matthew 18:20)

joshua 1 9 said:

Could we say that this is evidence that they are not walking in the power and authority that we have in Christ? Or that the people assigned to protect them are not walking in that power and authority?

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It's evidence that the rapist is not walking in the life, but it says nothing about the victim.
We have free will. If God imposed to protect every follower from anything bad happening to them He'd be denying our free will and then we wouldn't have free will would we? God is respecting us to make our own choices, and we'll be judged by those choices in His time.

joshua 1 9 said:

We need to join together with others in prayer: "Again, I tell you truly that if two of you on the earth agree about anything you ask for, it will be done for you by My Father in heaven. For where two or three gather together in My name, there am I with them.” (Matthew 18:20)

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Well yeah, pray TO God, FOR and WITH other people.

joshua 1 9 said:

Almost as if all we have to do to be saved is to ask Jesus to save us.

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Key thing is that man was saved, but still physically died. It's the example I like to use. because it shows how simple salvation really is and it's a direct quote from Christ himself, a promise.
He states that he's a sinner and he's earned his execution for his crimes (repentence), and then places his faith in Jesus that He is the Son of God and asks him to remember him when He comes into His Father's Kingdom (asking Jesus for salvation).
That's it!
Then Jesus promises (Luke 23:43) TRULY I tell you.
It's so simple, the penitent thief did all that it takes to be saved, was promised that he was saved, and importantly that I point out to brothers like RaymondG, this thief still physically died on a cross next to Christ. That thief is right now at this very moment with Christ, waiting for the Resurrection.
It is GRACE that saves us, and it is RESURRECTION THROUGH CHRIST that we are promised.

joshua 1 9 said:

Could we say that this is evidence that they are not walking in the power and authority that we have in Christ? Or that the people assigned to protect them are not walking in that power and authority?

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No. Obviously, circumstances differ in each case. But, no. Not as a blanket assumption. Did you read the articles I posted where rape is being used to persecute Christian women? Are you going to argue they were raped because they or their protectors (whatever that is) are not walking in the power or authority? Sounds like presumption, if so.

Again, did the apostles who were martyred fail somehow to walk in the authority?

joshua 1 9 said:

It is the parents job to protect their children. Even the animals protect their children. This is a part of the hormones involved with being a parent. I know with cats though. They can put out a litter every 5 months. The older kittens are then on their own to take care of themselves.

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And what is your little point?

BryanJohnMaloney said:

And what is your little point?

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My little point? Am I a little person?