The effect of Free Will on Scripture.

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The belief in free will has a major effect on how we understand scripture. This becomes obvious when a free will believer interprets the same verse of scripture differently from a non-free will believer. As an example, Jesus said “whoever believes has eternal life”. The free will believer assumes Jesus means whoever chooses to believe has eternal life. But the other assumes Jesus means believing is a trait or characteristic of those whom God saves. As in “where there is smoke there is fire”.

Some other examples follow.

Jesus said “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” John 3:16 (KJV 1900)

Again, notice how we can read this passage and have two different results. Free Will sees this passage as law calling for obedience. Assuming whoever chooses to believe should not perish. But the other sees believing as evidence God saved the person or they would not believe. Both claim salvation by grace. Many think grace is conditional as with any law. That is, grace provides a new lesser law based on believing. Through which people can choose to believe and save themselves. And they feel comfortable reading salvation passages as law.

“For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.” John 1:17 (KJV 1900)

In this passage, grace is the opposite of law. Grace means “The undeserved favor of God toward humans.”1 “And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.” Romans 11:6 (KJV 1900). So conditional grace turns scripture into a lesser law and salvation into works of obedience. Where grace alone sees faith and obedience as fruits of salvation by grace.

1Fee, G. D., & Hubbard, R. L., Jr. (Eds.). (2011). The Eerdmans Companion to the Bible (p. 751). Grand Rapids, MI; Cambridge, U.K.: William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company.

The OT law assumed free will and God held Israel accountable based on their works. God threatened sickness and war, famine and pestilence when Israel did not obey the Law. He also promised rewards for obedience. But he based his rewards on obedience, not on grace. Grace demands no obedience, but always results in obedience motivated by love for God. So in this case, the few God saved by grace in the OT kept the Law as a result of their salvation.

So it is important to see scripture in the right frame of mind. In the Old Testament, the right frame of mind was according to Law and free will. In the New Testament, the right frame of mind is grace. Where believing and obedience serve as evidence of God’s grace in our lives. And as proof of our salvation. But free will imported into the New Testament, where the grace view is possible, only places us back under the law that could never save.

“Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of [God’s] debt.” Romans 4:4 (KJV 1900)
 

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People start threads here of their own free will.

“For that ye ought to say, If the Lord will, we shall live, and do this, or that.” James 4:15 (KJV 1900)

“For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.” Philippians 2:13 (KJV 1900)
 
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Yes, but they were destined to do it of their own free will.
No, they were destined by Yahuweh , if destined at all. HE is in charge. If HE gave them a choice, so it is..... but they /we/ cannot take control of destiny ..... HE controls destiny. (THANKFULLY!)
 
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The belief in free will has a major effect on how we understand scripture.
Some people believe "A" is right.
Some people believe "B" is right.
Others believe "C" is right.
Some believe "none of the above".

No man can have/obtain/understand anything unless it is granted to him by Yahuweh.
They can be "A", "B", or "C", or "none of the above",

and if and only if Yahuweh from heaven grants them understanding of Scripture do they understand Scripture, or for that matter understand anything at all (like little children to whom Yahuweh REVEALS Salvation and everything concerning Salvation to little children).

Their belief in free will or not free will won't change that.
 
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This becomes obvious when a free will believer interprets the same verse of scripture differently from a non-free will believer.

MY sheep HEAR MY VOICE. (guess who said that) (Jesus!)

If the free will believer HEARS HIS VOICE, then they KNOW the SAME as the non-free will believer who HEARS HIS VOICE.
 
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The free will believer assumes Jesus means whoever chooses to believe has eternal life. But the other assumes Jesus means believing is a trait or characteristic of those whom God saves. As in “where there is smoke there is fire”.
Whoever TRUSTS THE SON has life.
Whoever TRUSTS NOT THE SON has not life.

Both free will believers and non-free will believers can TRUST THE SON, or TRUST NOT THE SON. Whoever TRUSTS the SON has life. So it is best to TRUST THE SON. Eh?
 
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Again, notice how we can read this passage and have two different results. Free Will sees this passage as law calling for obedience. Assuming whoever chooses to believe should not perish. But the other sees believing as evidence God saved the person or they would not believe. Both claim salvation by grace. Many think grace is conditional as with any law. That is, grace provides a new lesser law based on believing. Through which people can choose to believe and save themselves. And they feel comfortable reading salvation passages as law.

I believe in free will, but this doesn't fit me at all. But those who claim to be without free will believe this erroneous distinction.
 
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He gave us the choice to be here or not and the choice to start a thread or not.

Did He know we would make these choices? Yes.
“For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.” Philippians 2:13 (KJV 1900)
 
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Tra Phull said:
So God started this thread?
? Yahuweh wrote on stone with His Finger, the ten words,
but He's TOO OLD to learn how to use the internet, eh !?
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He also wrote on the ground with His finger...:)

What do you and others believe He wrote down?

John 8:
6 This yet they said, trying Him, that they may be having to be accusing of Him. The yet Jesus down-stooping to the finger Wrote into the ground,
7 As yet they persisted asking Him. He up-bends and said toward them "the sinless-one of ye first the stone on her let be casting!"
8 And again down-stooping He Wrote into the ground.
 
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