A reflection on democracy and the common good.

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The accusation of "Russian interference" is just more disinformation thrown at the people to deflect from the real attacks on democracy and freedom of speech coming from the EU elites.
“We will always vote against more power and spending by the EU,” said David Bull, a Brexit party MEP.

“We won’t take lessons in democracy from parties which have packed together in order to frustrate the Brexit vote. Stories of Russian interference have been exposed as baseless propaganda and scare stories used to shut down debate. As a party of free speech, we oppose shutting down debate.”
Anyone who falls for this stuff needs a reality check.

Thankfully, I live in a country that keeps winning the war against Russian disinformation like this.
 
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Thankfully, I live in a country that keeps winning the war against Russian disinformation like this.
Its not Russian disinformation, but EU disinformation that's the biggest threat to democracy in the UK or Europe.
 
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Well, one hundred years ago there was hardly any wars and hardly any rumors of wars.
Now its on a daily basis we get rumors and actual wars, more then ever.

one hundred years ago knowledge was still limited, no computers, cell phones, internet, micro chips, airplanes, cars, heat, hot water, refrigerators, -I can go on and on on this very subject.

one hundred years ago there was no record of false Christs pretending to be Jesus.

one hundred years ago People loved each other, had respect for each other and forgave each other, If you read old books, you will read how people helped one another and loved each other.

One hundred years ago It was a whole different world, did we have wars? yes, through out all history, but nothing like today.

And the last but not least

Micro chips make it a very real possibility for the mark of its self, the second beast.

Where can I buy a pair of those rose coloured glasses?
 
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Well, one hundred years ago there was hardly any wars and hardly any rumors of wars.
Now its on a daily basis we get rumors and actual wars, more then ever.

In 1919 a large proportion of the world had just come out of the most destructive wars in human history (approx 25 million killed during WW1), the Russian civil war was underway (6 million killed) as was the Mexican revolution (1 million) and in less than 10 years the Chinese civil war would kill another 9 million or so. The Armenian genocide would continue on past 1919 for a few more years as well. And of course in another 15 years the mid-1930s would see an outbreak of conflicts that would lead up to WW2.

On what planet does this period count as "hardly any wars and hardly any rumors of wars"?
 
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In 1919 a large proportion of the world had just come out of the most destructive wars in human history (approx 25 million killed during WW1), the Russian civil war was underway (6 million killed) as was the Mexican revolution (1 million) and in less than 10 years the Chinese civil war would kill another 9 million or so. The Armenian genocide would continue on past 1919 for a few more years as well. And of course in another 15 years the mid-1930s would see an outbreak of conflicts that would lead up to WW2.

On what planet does this period count as "hardly any wars and hardly any rumors of wars"?

Ignorance of history frequently leads to that history being repeated.
 
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More than at any other time in history?

I guess I don't see today as particularly remarkable, or different from any other time the Church has already been through.
I think the question I'd ask you is what to you would constitute the time that 2 Tim 3:1 warned about....."in the last days perilous times will come" and then it gives a description of what it'd be like. If indeed we could NEVER know or be able to pretty well guess we're in such times why did Paul use the term?
 
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I think the question I'd ask you is what to you would constitute the time that 2 Tim 3:1 warned about....."in the last days perilous times will come" and then it gives a description of what it'd be like. If indeed we could NEVER know or be able to pretty well guess we're in such times why did Paul use the term?

Well, it seems clear to me that if the last days are to be any different in that regard from preceding days, that description would need to apply to, at least, a highly intensified experience. But, as I said in my post, I don't observe that that's the case right now.
 
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Well, it seems clear to me that if the last days are to be any different in that regard from preceding days, that description would need to apply to, at least, a highly intensified experience. But, as I said in my post, I don't observe that that's the case right now.
These days are pretty much the same as the ones that came just before. Perhaps slightly dumber.... I'll grant that.
 
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Well, it seems clear to me that if the last days are to be any different in that regard from preceding days, that description would need to apply to, at least, a highly intensified experience. But, as I said in my post, I don't observe that that's the case right now.

The prism of American religious fundamentalism intensifies the experience. And basing ones political theology off one verse from a book that likely was pseudoepigraphal is typical of that approach.
 
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The article by Rev Rowan Williams seems a good critique of the consequences of Neoliberalism, and a sort of critique of the forces behind Neoliberalism without ever mentioning Neoliberalism or the Neoliberalists.

It is way too diplomatic for me to fathom.

A dunce like me would prefer it in the form:

This is what is going wrong
This is why it matters
And this is what we can do about it
 
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A hundred years ago, WWI had just ended and there were ongoing conflicts in multiple places as a direct consequence of the worst war that had occurred in human history at that point. Turkish war of Independance, Russian Civil War, the Uprising in India, Warlords fighting in China, etc.

And multiple genocides going on. But I guess Armenians and others don't matter to some people.
 
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And multiple genocides going on. But I guess Armenians and others don't matter to some people.

It mattered enough for the Senate to unanimously vote on Thursday to formally designate the 1915 mass killings of an estimated 1.5 million Armenians at the hands of the Ottoman Empire as a genocide, to pass legislation making this recognition a matter of American foreign policy. This was a bipartisan mission, with Republican Ted Cruz and Democrat Robert Menendez co-sponsoring the measure and striving vigorously for weeks for it be passed, despite strenuous objection from the White House. Senator Cruz was faithful to this duty and imperative to convincing other Republicans to vote in defiance of Trump's objections. The House passed resolution recognizing the genocide in October, with a 405-11 vote. I actually do believe their actions are a reflection on the "common good."

It still doesn't matter to some people, though.
 
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Ask Depeche Mode. They know the answer to this.

You made me curious so I Googled and discovered a song I'd never before heard. "Master and Servant"? I like. Thanks. :) YT lead me to this cover of it I like even more.
 
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