Vaping kills!

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I don't vape but know someone who does. You don't smell anything from it. 0, nothing.

All deaths to date in the US has been related to tainted products or out and out incorrect products to be using in the first place. The media loves to use scare tactics to fit what ever agenda they subscribe to. Period.
 
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My addiction to nicotine is very real.

I'm sorry to hear that. I'm not pretending the issue is easy to fix or that I understand your situation.

It was a less unhealthy alternative to tobacco cigarettes.

If there is a health risk, don't you want to know it? The reason I asked the question in the first place was that your post sounded like someone desperate to stamp out any indication it might be unhealthy before the matter is settled. Otherwise, you might have to find yet a 3rd option.

Plus, I can vape just about anywhere. Or at least, I can vape in places where hypochondriacs who think they're allergic to water haven't ruined things anyway.

My sympathies to your addiction, but in no way does addiction prescribe rights. You have no more right to blow water vapor in my face than you do smoke. And, FYI, if it ain't smellin' like "just water vapor" it ain't just water vapor.

@Ken Rank was already starting down the path of, "Well it may have a tinge of a smell, but it's not much so you shouldn't complain." Sorry dude.
 
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If there is a health risk, don't you want to know it? The reason I asked the question in the first place was that your post sounded like someone desperate to stamp out any indication it might be unhealthy before the matter is settled. Otherwise, you might have to find yet a 3rd option.
The "news" that vaping is unhealthy comes from ignorant/non-credible media, patients who have inappropriately tampered with their vape products or else is funded/influenced directly or indirectly by Big Tobacco.

Meanwhile, credible and long term scientific studies exist which show vaping to be of a neutral effect on vapers.

Golly, I wonder which of those I should trust more?

My sympathies to your addiction, but in no way does addiction prescribe rights. You have no more right to blow water vapor in my face than you do smoke. And, FYI, if it ain't smellin' like "just water vapor" it ain't just water vapor.
Who (besides you) said anything about blowing the water vapor in somebody's face? The reality is that we live in a world of busybodies who have spent two minutes reading some half-baked "news" article and now consider themselves an authority on the matter and why can't we just think of the children? or something.

I do not respect ignorance. I've had many unpleasant encounters with these types of people. And it's my great pleasure to tell them to either leave me alone or call a cop. Usually, they mutter "Well, I never!" and storm off in a huff in search of somebody else to bully.
 
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Golly, I wonder which of those I should trust more?

The one that gives the answer you want, apparently.

The "news" that vaping is unhealthy comes from ignorant/non-credible media, patients who have inappropriately tampered with their vape products or else is funded/influenced directly or indirectly by Big Tobacco.

A quick search shows the truth is that the results are mixed at this time. Did you not know that the Surgeon General has issued a caution because the chemicals used in vaping are considered toxins and the vapor emitted is not 100% water?

One of many you can read if you're inclined: Not just water vapor: why e-cigarettes are so dangerous – PUBLIC HEALTH INSIDER

Who (besides you) said anything about blowing the water vapor in somebody's face? The reality is that we live in a world of busybodies who have spent two minutes reading some half-baked "news" article and now consider themselves an authority on the matter and why can't we just think of the children? or something.

I do not respect ignorance. I've had many unpleasant encounters with these types of people. And it's my great pleasure to tell them to either leave me alone or call a cop. Usually, they mutter "Well, I never!" and storm off in a huff in search of somebody else to bully.

What I've noticed is the emotion this topic evokes from you. As such, I have no expectation you'll listen. But you need to think of more than yourself. My nuclear family didn't smoke, but my extended family did. My memories of Christmas are a smoke-filled room that I had to leave.

Why? Because I have respiratory issues, that when triggered result in severe bronchitis. I expect vaping, just like smoking, involves a cultural aspect. My family had a culture of smoking rather than just one smoker, and I expect there is a culture of vaping rather than just one. As such, a room of people vaping - even if it is just water vapor - will trigger my respiratory issues. I know because I have become very aware of the conditions that trigger me, and it's not just smoke. Among other factors, temperature and humidity play a role.

So who wins? Your nicotine addiction or my asthma attacks?

And my unanswered question remains. Given how new vaping is, and that we're bound to uncover more as time goes on ... If there is a health effect, do you want to know? To me it sounds like you don't want to know.
 
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A quick search shows the truth is that the results are mixed at this time. Did you not know that the Surgeon General has issued a caution because the chemicals used in vaping are considered toxins and the vapor emitted is not 100% water?
When? Which liquids? What are their ingredients? Where were they manufactured? How were they manufactured? These questions never seem to get answered when vaping is criticized. It's enough to make me wonder if vape critics understand anything about what they're criticizing.

So who wins? Your nicotine addiction or my asthma attacks?
While I appreciate your appeal to emotion, nobody lately has suggested banning vaping because of potential respiratory issues which could ensue from second hand vapor. On the contrary (as is the subject of this thread), lately the issue has been potential dangers to vapers themselves.

As with smoking, the solution could be nothing more complex than segregating vapers from non-vapers.

As a broader trend, it sounds as though your problem is restricted to people who come from environments similar to your own. Transposing your experience in a smoke-filled environment in the distant past to modern day environments with brief puffs of vapor with an eye on stamping out vapor simply because it produces an irritation in you is, frankly, unreasonable.

In other words, as above, sit someplace else.

And my unanswered question remains. Given how new vaping is, and that we're bound to uncover more as time goes on ... If there is a health effect, do you want to know? To me it sounds like you don't want to know.
That question was addressed implicitly in my other remarks.

But as you seem to require an explicit answer, I shall reiterate that the data relating to potential harm resulting from vaping is skewed, misrepresented, incomplete or else completely phony. Meanwhile, credible studies have shown the relative neutral effect vaping has on users.

In case I'm not being clear enough here, so far the opposition has provided me with virtually no reason whatsoever to consider their viewpoint. If they ever produce data worth considering, I shall consider it.

And then I shall weigh it against the risks inherent to smoking. Because inherently, that is the dichotomy that I face. Is vaping more dangerous than smoking? All evidence I have indicates that vaping is less risky than smoking. And all the fiction provided by the opposition doesn't undermine that basic truth.

If newer (and legitimate) data arises which will show other effects, I will review it. But so far, the opposition is grasping at straws and hypochondria to justify inane, unnecessary bans. I will not cooperate, sorry.[/QUOTE]
 
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When? Which liquids? What are their ingredients? Where were they manufactured? How were they manufactured? These questions never seem to get answered when vaping is criticized. It's enough to make me wonder if vape critics understand anything about what they're criticizing.

I understand there are many factors. Maybe your habits mean it's no risk at all to you. But using the complexity of factors as a (cough) smokescreen to dismiss the potential dangers is disingenuous. My point is that the studies you cite are too recent to conclude vaping has no health risks. It is all too easy to find recent studies from credible journals questioning the conclusions of earlier studies. For example, these from the New England Journal of Medicine: https://www.nejm.org/vaping?query=p...MIq7v75pvl5QIVGf_jBx3eyQEGEAAYASAAEgJQtPD_BwE

While I appreciate your appeal to emotion, nobody lately has suggested banning vaping because of potential respiratory issues which could ensue from second hand vapor. On the contrary (as is the subject of this thread), lately the issue has been potential dangers to vapers themselves.

Are you saying there is no reason for you to consider your impact on others? Your dismissal of asthma is insulting. I'm not dismissing addiction. I've seen what nicotine withdrawal looks like. Maybe you need to be there to see what an asthma attack is like as the person suffocates.

Nor did I say one puff would be a disaster. As I said, I know how these things go - I've been there for those times when the room is filled with everyone doing it.

As with smoking, the solution could be nothing more complex than segregating vapers from non-vapers ... In other words, as above, sit someplace else.

I see. I'm supposed to accommodate you, but you need make no effort. It's not gonna work that way. I never said I wanted to ban vaping; I'm fine with segregation. But the sign is going to read "No vaping", not "Sorry, vaping is allowed here so go find a different restaurant (airplane, theater, etc.)".
 
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I'm ok with people fouling their own air to an extent, as a legal principle. (Not ok with it emotionally tho, as I find it really sad for the most part).

But its a basic moral principle that you should not ever foul other people's air.
 
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Here in the UK it is illegal to smoke tobacco products in public places, I hope they making vaping illegal too.
Smoking is smelly and vaping is equally smelly. I hold my breath around people doing so.
 
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I don't vape but know someone who does. You don't smell anything from it. 0, nothing.

Eh, it does not have a smell that lingers but I can smell that stuff at better than 30' when someone is puffing on a larger vape.
 
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Smoking is smelly and vaping is equally smelly. I hold my breath around people doing so.

So said King James of England too.

Charles Spurgeon said different,
From an original book from 1877 which I own.

"There is a Pharasaic system which adds to the
commands of God the precepts of men;
to that system I will not yield for an hour."

"When I have found intense pain relieved,
a weary brain soothed, and calm , refreshing sleep obtained by a cigar,
I have felt grateful to God and have blessed his name."

"If through smoking I had wasted an hour of my time;
if I had stinted my gifts to the poor;
if I had rendered my mind less vigorous, I trust I should see my fault and turn from it;
but he who charges me with these things shall have no answer but my forgiveness."

Title of book,

The Rev C.H.Spurgeon
his life and work to his forty third birthday.
 
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When it was first discovered that tobacco products were very harmful no doubt many people stated it was nonsense and look how wrong they were.
Um, did you read the link I posted?

Also, vaping ≠ smoking. Vape liquid ≠ tobacco. Things that are different are not the same.
 
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