Supreme Court takes up decision to end DACA

Mountainmanbob · Nov 11, 2019

The nightmares are of losing their college loans, driver's licenses, jobs – and the only country they can truly call home.

"It feels, in a way, very surreal," said Anayeli Marcos, 25, who hopes to graduate from the University of Texas' flagship campus here in May with dual Master's degrees in social work and Latin American studies. "Sometimes it's a bit overwhelming, feeling that your fate is in the hands of people who don't know you."

DACA: Supreme Court hears case on program that protects some DREAMers

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We have some DACA friends and we would like to see them have an easy path to citizenship.

Maybe there could be a trade off with giving them citizenship and building more of the wall. I think that the DACA ones would support that?
The DACA working people that we know are not for open borders. An influx of immigrants would only put their futures, jobs and possible promotions in jeopardy.
M-Bob

Yarddog · Nov 11, 2019

Mountainmanbob said:
The nightmares are of losing their college loans, driver's licenses, jobs – and the only country they can truly call home.

"It feels, in a way, very surreal," said Anayeli Marcos, 25, who hopes to graduate from the University of Texas' flagship campus here in May with dual Master's degrees in social work and Latin American studies. "Sometimes it's a bit overwhelming, feeling that your fate is in the hands of people who don't know you."

DACA: Supreme Court hears case on program that protects some DREAMers

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We have some DACA friends and we would like to see them have an easy path to citizenship.

Maybe there could be a trade off with giving them citizenship and building more of the wall. I think that the DACA ones would support that?
The DACA working people that we know are not for open borders. An influx of immigrants would only put their futures, jobs and possible promotions in jeopardy.
M-Bob

The Democrats are not for open borders, which has nothing to do with border walls. There is no wall between the US and Canada but we do not have open borders between us. It is illegal to enter the US or other countries without having the legal paperwork. We need passports and permission from other countries to enter.

Redwingfan9 · Nov 11, 2019

Mountainmanbob said:
The nightmares are of losing their college loans, driver's licenses, jobs – and the only country they can truly call home.

"It feels, in a way, very surreal," said Anayeli Marcos, 25, who hopes to graduate from the University of Texas' flagship campus here in May with dual Master's degrees in social work and Latin American studies. "Sometimes it's a bit overwhelming, feeling that your fate is in the hands of people who don't know you."

DACA: Supreme Court hears case on program that protects some DREAMers

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We have some DACA friends and we would like to see them have an easy path to citizenship.

Maybe there could be a trade off with giving them citizenship and building more of the wall. I think that the DACA ones would support that?
The DACA working people that we know are not for open borders. An influx of immigrants would only put their futures, jobs and possible promotions in jeopardy.
M-Bob

The problem with DACA is that it's something that was never passed by Congress. Obama created it with an executive order, ostensibly because he couldn't get it passed by Congree. The Supreme Court has an opportunity to reign in executive power here. It's not even about DACA, it's about power usurped by the executive branch.

SoldierOfTheKing · Nov 11, 2019

I hope the Court addresses the matter of whether DACA was ever constitutional to begin with...

thecolorsblend · Nov 11, 2019

Mountainmanbob said:
The nightmares are of losing their college loans, driver's licenses, jobs – and the only country they can truly call home.

"It feels, in a way, very surreal," said Anayeli Marcos, 25, who hopes to graduate from the University of Texas' flagship campus here in May with dual Master's degrees in social work and Latin American studies. "Sometimes it's a bit overwhelming, feeling that your fate is in the hands of people who don't know you."

DACA: Supreme Court hears case on program that protects some DREAMers

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We have some DACA friends and we would like to see them have an easy path to citizenship.

Maybe there could be a trade off with giving them citizenship and building more of the wall. I think that the DACA ones would support that?
The DACA working people that we know are not for open borders. An influx of immigrants would only put their futures, jobs and possible promotions in jeopardy.
M-Bob

If their roots in their home countries didn't matter to them, why should their "roots" here matter to us?

End the program and send them home.

Yarddog · Nov 12, 2019

thecolorsblend said:
If their roots in their home countries didn't matter to them, why should their "roots" here matter to us?

For DACA recipients this is their home country. Many have served in the US military and some have died in service of the US. It has little to do with their parents birth place but all they have known in life.

thecolorsblend · Nov 12, 2019

Yarddog said:
For DACA recipients this is their home country. Many have served in the US military and some have died in service of the US. It has little to do with their parents birth place but all they have known in life.

This isn't their home. Let's not kid ourselves.

Redwingfan9 · Nov 12, 2019

Yarddog said:
For DACA recipients this is their home country. Many have served in the US military and some have died in service of the US. It has little to do with their parents birth place but all they have known in life.

The issue isn't whether this is their home or not, fact that debate is irrelevant. The question is whether the President can create legislation via an executive order such that a subsequent president cannot reverse the legislation with his own executive order. That's really the issue at hand. The Court's ruling will have far reaching consequences, separation of powers hangs in the balance.

grasping the after wind · Nov 12, 2019

Yarddog said:
The Democrats are not for open borders, which has nothing to do with border walls. There is no wall between the US and Canada but we do not have open borders between us. It is illegal to enter the US or other countries without having the legal paperwork. We need passports and permission from other countries to enter.

Explain how a sanctuary city or state is not directly in support of open borders.

BryanJohnMaloney · Nov 12, 2019

DACA never should have existed in the first place. It was rule by decree, bypassing Congress's authority. While it is within the authority of the executive to prioritize executive department activity, outright suspension exceeds that authority. It is Congress's responsibility to make immigration law, not the presidency.

grasping the after wind · Nov 12, 2019

BryanJohnMaloney said:
DACA never should have existed in the first place. It was rule by decree, bypassing Congress's authority. While it is within the authority of the executive to prioritize executive department activity, outright suspension exceeds that authority. It is Congress's responsibility to make immigration law, not the presidency.

DACA was an act of President Obama using an Executive Order and should not have existed as you point out because it bypassed Congress' authority.

Yarddog · Nov 12, 2019

thecolorsblend said:
This isn't their home. Let's not kid ourselves.

It is their's, to them. They have lived here since early childhood. True, they are not citizens but they didn't ask to come, their parents brought them here. They love America as much as any other citizen.

Yarddog · Nov 12, 2019

Redwingfan9 said:
The issue isn't whether this is their home or not, fact that debate is irrelevant.

Then take that issue up with the one which brought it up.

Redwingfan9 said:
The question is whether the President can create legislation via an executive order such that a subsequent president cannot reverse the legislation with his own executive order. That's really the issue at hand. The Court's ruling will have far reaching consequences, separation of powers hangs in the balance.

I agree. This has gone on for quite a while, now, as presidents create laws or actions which are the responsibility of Congress.

Yarddog · Nov 12, 2019

grasping the after wind said:
Explain how a sanctuary city or state is not directly in support of open borders.

Explain why you believe that a sanctuary city actually wants people to cross the border without passports, visas, etc...

thecolorsblend · Nov 12, 2019

Yarddog said:
It is their's, to them. They have lived here since early childhood. True, they are not citizens but they didn't ask to come, their parents brought them here. They love America as much as any other citizen.

Those facts don't magically grant them the right to stay here. If anything, their "connection" to this country is the result of lousy policy enforcement and should be a warning to future generations of what can go wrong when laws are not enforced.

Send them back to their home countries.

Yarddog · Nov 12, 2019

thecolorsblend said:
Those facts don't magically grant them the right to stay here.

I agree, but it should grant them a better chance at citizenship than someone who has never lived here.

thecolorsblend · Nov 12, 2019

Yarddog said:
I agree, but it should grant them a better chance at citizenship than someone who has never lived here.

Or they could both get sent back to their home countries and we can call it a day.

BryanJohnMaloney · Nov 12, 2019

Yarddog said:
It is their's, to them. They have lived here since early childhood. True, they are not citizens but they didn't ask to come, their parents brought them here. They love America as much as any other citizen.

And?

BryanJohnMaloney · Nov 12, 2019

Yarddog said:
Explain why you believe that a sanctuary city actually wants people to cross the border without passports, visas, etc...

They just don't want there to be any consequences for so doing.

Yarddog · Nov 12, 2019

thecolorsblend said:
Or they could both get sent back to their home countries and we can call it a day.

And we go right back to where we started. They see this as their home country. We can also grant them citizenship and call it a day.

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