Do God protect His chosen from rape?

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Absolutely, but unfortunately those things are the exception and not the norm. But we should not discount them, lack of faith is a big reason failure is so prominent.
Here’s a few good sections to consider about God’s absolute intervention in our physical world at every moment

Hebrews 1:3. Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power,...”

Psalm 19:1. The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.2. Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.3. There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.4. Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,”

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Job 38:1. Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,2. Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?3. Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.4. Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.5. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?6. Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;7. When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?8. Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?9. When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,10. And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,11. And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?12. Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;13. That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?14. It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.15. And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken.16. Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth?17. Have the gates of death been opened unto thee? or hast thou seen the doors of the shadow of death?18. Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth? declare if thou knowest it all.19. Where is the way where light dwelleth? and as for darkness, where is the place thereof,
Job 38:20. That thou shouldest take it to the bound thereof, and that thou shouldest know the paths to the house thereof?21. Knowest thou it, because thou wast then born? or because the number of thy days is great?22. Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail,23. Which I have reserved against the time of trouble, against the day of battle and war?24. By what way is the light parted, which scattereth the east wind upon the earth?25. Who hath divided a watercourse for the overflowing of waters, or a way for the lightning of thunder;26. To cause it to rain on the earth, where no man is; on the wilderness, wherein there is no man;27. To satisfy the desolate and waste ground; and to cause the bud of the tender herb to spring forth?28. Hath the rain a father? or who hath begotten the drops of dew?29. Out of whose womb came the ice? and the hoary frost of heaven, who hath gendered it?30. The waters are hid as with a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen.31. Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?32. Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?33. Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?34. Canst thou lift up thy voice to the clouds, that abundance of waters may cover thee?35. Canst thou send lightnings, that they may go, and say unto thee, Here we are?36. Who hath put wisdom in the inward parts? or who hath given understanding to the heart?37. Who can number the clouds in wisdom? or who can stay the bottles of heaven,38. When the dust groweth into hardness, and the clods cleave fast together?39. Wilt thou hunt the prey for the lion? or fill the appetite of the young lions,40. When they couch in their dens, and abide in the covert to lie in wait?41. Who provideth for the raven his food? when his young ones cry unto God, they wander for lack of meat.”

God is involved in such a deep way in our physical world and in many miraculous ways we can barely mention even the start of them
 
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I find no fault in you going with what your mind tells you that you should and should not follow.

I will digest the whole book, if you dont mind.

I don't mind at all - I'd rather you did.

Three verses were quoted - one of which was "then Judas went and hanged himself" - to show what happens when we take random Bible verses out of context.
In post #176 you replied:
We absolutely have to follow these sayings.......

(Yes, I haven't quoted all your reply and you could say I was taking it out of context.)
But I then said, "we don't have to follow the verse where it says that Judas hanged himself." If we did, what application could there be other than we go and kill ourselves?

If you are saying that you have no intention of taking this verse out of context, and following it for yourself, but would rather read the whole Gospel of Matthew - I absolutely agree.
But that is not what you said.
 
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I don't mind at all - I'd rather you did.

Three verses were quoted - one of which was "then Judas went and hanged himself" - to show what happens when we take random Bible verses out of context.
In post #176 you replied:


(Yes, I haven't quoted all your reply and you could say I was taking it out of context.)
But I then said, "we don't have to follow the verse where it says that Judas hanged himself." If we did, what application could there be other than we go and kill ourselves?

If you are saying that you have no intention of taking this verse out of context, and following it for yourself, but would rather read the whole Gospel of Matthew - I absolutely agree.
But that is not what you said.
So how would you follow the verse you mentioned, after reading the whole book? Or do you plan to exclude it regardless?
 
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So how would you follow the verse you mentioned, after reading the whole book? Or do you plan to exclude it regardless?

I don't plan to follow the verse - it's information.
Judas did not wait to see what happened after the crucifixion; he killed himself. That's not relevant to my faith or how I live my life for God. It's a fact, it was prophecy fulfilled, but that's all.
 
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Yes we do....this is normal and will happen to most and what most believe. Yet....

He that liveth and believeth in Him, shall never die....Believest thou this?

Why are you using words like "liveth, believeth, and thou" when asking me a question? Do you normally use those words when you talk to people? But to answer your question, I know of many people who believe and have also died. Do you believe that?

Do you believe that I can talk to Peter Paul and Moses, and ask them these things? If so, I will go and let you know what they would like you to know about it. If you do not believe, Try only asking things that you believe possible, so to waste less of our time.

Well, the believed, didn't they? And yet they died. That really doesn't seem to jive with the context in which you're using the scripture, does it?
 
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I get it.....so any single verse in the bible is wrong....but when groups together, it becomes right.

Do you understand what the word "context" means? According to the dictionary it means the circumstances that form the setting for an event, statement, or idea, and in terms of which it can be fully understood and assessed.

Here's an example for you. If a woman were to come onto the forum and announce that she just had a baby and is now a first-time mother and would like some advice about how to raise her newborn, would you simply post the following verse from the bible?

Psalm 137:9 "Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks."

Then if someone responded that you have misused a bible verse by taking it out of context to give horrible advice, would you then reply to them by saying something like:
I am the only one here who seems to believe the masters words as is, with no additions, subtractions or explanations, more believable to the carnal mind.

Are you able to take his word as is, without leaning to your own understanding?

Can you now understand why context matters?
 
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God is God of this world. Torment is not same as rape. I am from bulgarian orthodox church and we don't have raped saints. With one prayer for death, they died before this happen. God will not let this happen to any of his chosen. He is God of flesh and God of invisible.
Not all Orthodox saints were free from rape. St Non (Nonna) is an example of this. She bore a son who was conceived through this rape, who also became a saint - St David.

Saint Non - Wikipedia

Don’t make false claims that the Orthodox Church teaches that no one righteous will be raped. God doesn’t promise to keep us from physical or even sexual harm here on earth. He does promise to give us strength though. He can work good through the bad.
 
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Not all Orthodox saints were free from rape. St Non (Nonna) is an example of this. She bore a son who was conceived through this rape, who also became a saint - St David.

Saint Non - Wikipedia

Don’t make false claims that the Orthodox Church teaches that no one righteous will be raped. God doesn’t promise to keep us from physical or even sexual harm here on earth. He does promise to give us strength though. He can work good through the bad.

God will not let this happen to his chosen. Don't get me wrong. The church never teach you can be both righteous and raped. Non is not of my church. Better believe in God, if you believe in him, you will never be leaved alone!
 
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Why are you using words like "liveth, believeth, and thou" when asking me a question? Do you normally use those words when you talk to people? But to answer your question, I know of many people who believe and have also died. Do you believe that?



Well, the believed, didn't they? And yet they died. That really doesn't seem to jive with the context in which you're using the scripture, does it?
Some people misinterpret scripture and think that conquering death means that they will live in this body on this tainted creation forever. They think that anyone physically having ailments or dying is "proof" that they were not truly saved and that they will be the only "true Christian" because they will live on this earth forever.

Pray for them for them to receive revelation.

Christ spoke explicitly about the RESURRECTION, and the gospel tells us that there will be an end to this world and a new one will take its place. Some people hand pick scriptures that support a desire of theirs to never physically die and enjoy the pleasures of the flesh forever. Pray for them to understand God's real plan.
 
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God will not let this happen to his chosen. Don't get me wrong. The church never teach you can be both righteous and raped. Non is not of my church. Better believe in God, if you believe in him, you will never be leaved alone!

Sorry, but that is just not true.
I know of Christians, who have been raped. I have read testimonies in magazines and books, and one of them became a friend of mine.
What are you saying - that God broke his promise, or that these women didn't really know God?

In my friend's case, it was certainly a case of God working for good in all things; she had an amazing ministry to raped and abused women. She was very well known, and people knew of her faith.
 
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God will not let this happen to his chosen. Don't get me wrong. The church never teach you can be both righteous and raped. Non is not of my church. Better believe in God, if you believe in him, you will never be leaved alone!
St Non is part of the Orthodox Church. Are you saying that you are not part of the Orthodox Church?
 
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St Non is part of the Orthodox Church. Are you saying that you are not part of the Orthodox Church?

I recognize only canonized saints by my orthodox church.
There is st. Pontius Pilate in another orthodox church, this doesn't mean he is real saint.
 
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I recognize only canonized saints by my orthodox church.
There is st. Pontius Pilate in another orthodox church, this doesn't mean he is real saint.
She is canonized in the canonical Orthodox Church. Even schismatic Orthodox Churches recognize pre-schism saints.
 
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She is canonized in the canonical Orthodox Church. Even schismatic Orthodox Churches recognize pre-schism saints.

I don't know what my church think, but I recognize only saints which are real saints. I must go.
 
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Sorry, but that is just not true.
I know of Christians, who have been raped. I have read testimonies in magazines and books, and one of them became a friend of mine.
What are you saying - that God broke his promise, or that these women didn't really know God?

In my friend's case, it was certainly a case of God working for good in all things; she had an amazing ministry to raped and abused women. She was very well known, and people knew of her faith.
It's an attempt to use an evil man's free will acting on the victim, to no fault their own, as a means of judging the victim. I pray they stop it.
(Matthew 7:1-3)
 
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I don't know what my church think, but I recognize only saints which are real saints. I must go.

According to the NT, all believers are saints.
Are you interested in what God thinks?
 
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According to the NT, all believers are saints.
Are you interested in what God thinks?

We pray to saints, if all believers are saints (which is nowhere mentioned in NT) we must pray to all dead believers.
But remember there is believers in OT too, but God commanded Israel to kill those who call the dead.
 
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We pray to saints,

YOU may do; many Christians don't.

if all believers are saints (which is nowhere mentioned in NT)

"From Paul .......... to all in Rome who are loved by God and called to be saints", Romans 1:7.
"To the church of God in Corinth, together with all the saints throughout Achaia," 2 Corinthians 1:1.
"To the saints in Ephesus, the faithful in Christ Jesus", Ephesians 1:1.
"May you have power, together with all the saints, to grasp who wide ..... is the love of Christ", Ephesians 3:18.
"To all the saints in Christ Jesus at Philippi", Philippians 1:1.
 
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