Will Jesus physically return to Earth?

Tangible said:

I believe Jesus will return again in glory to judge both the living and the dead, and whose kingdom shall have no end.

There is only one last day, and afterwards, eternity.

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And bingo!

-CryptoLutheran

Tangible said:

I believe we will go up to meet Jesus at his return (kinda like a meet-and-greet), then accompany him back down to earth. So I guess that would be #2.

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Just like crowds greeted approaching emperors or generals or senators when they arrived at a city, and escorted them back within the walls.

Incidentally, the roads leading out of a city also had a necropolis, where the dead would be the first citizens of the city the visiting dignitary would meet them.

Optimax said:

Both.

Jesus meets those born again ones who are on the planet at the time of the event in the air.

Approximately seven years later He sets foot on the planet.

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So the sound of the trumpet, and the voice of an archangel, and the shout of command- those are all silent, or at least inaudible?

Tangible said:

I believe we will go up to meet Jesus at his return (kinda like a meet-and-greet), then accompany him back down to earth. So I guess that would be #2.

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Dear friend, I have read a few of the posts here and there is one where you say that you believe that Christ will return in Glory, and here you mention that believers will go up to meet Him and then 'down', again. IMO, it actually doesn't make sense to go up and then down, afterwards, and the principal idea is that the 'down' symbolizes another fall in mankind.

I don't believe that believers go off from earth to another place, and particularly before or during the millennium. And then after the 1000 years will another attempt of war be made and then the devil, AC, FP and the wicked will be put into the Abyss for eternity.

I believe that the prophecy is speaking of a spiritual transformation above all things in order; this meaning that it's dealing with our conscience mind and our soul in whole but the change should occur in the mind that is perhaps the first heaven and so forth. A change in spirit is due and spirit is conscience in nature. The idea is that we are raised up as described going into the air but this means that our level of knowledge is heightened with the new spirit and we will be as standing upright once again, where before we were dead until resurrected and dead is lying 'down'.

There is one meeting point, Christ comes down and we meet Him there by going up, but we must realize that our fallen nature says that we are down, now, as good as dead until resurrected. The Baptism is a statement of faith but the actual resurrection occurs when Christ arrives to raise them up, and not before.

The hidden agenda says that God's mission fails and we fall again because Jesus failed on the Cross; please don't be confused by my comments. Thanks

GratiaCorpusChristi said:

So the sound of the trumpet, and the voice of an archangel, and the shout of command- those are all silent, or at least inaudible?

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Don't forget that it says every eye will see Him.

It'll be one of those visible, invisible/loud, inaudible comings, like what happened in 1914 according to the Watchtower.

-CryptoLutheran

SG9 said:

Dear friend, I have read a few of the posts here and there is one where you say that you believe that Christ will return in Glory, and here you mention that believers will go up to meet Him and then 'down', again. IMO, it actually doesn't make sense to go up and then down, afterwards, and the principal idea is that the 'down' symbolizes another fall in mankind.

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I see no reason to render the plain reading of the Thessalonians text symbolic.

As has been stated elsewhere in this thread, the reference is to a widespread custom of ancient times for the population of a city or village to go out to meet approaching dignitaries and then accompany them into the city. We see this in action with Jesus' triumphal entry into Jerusalem. It can also be seen earlier in David's triumphal return from battle. As a matter of fact, this can still be seen today in many parts of the world.

As for how this will happen, I'll let God be in charge of that.

Yes we meet HIm in the air then after the Great tribulation which is GOD wrath on the earth is over !We return here in our New bodies to rule under Him for the 1000 years of Peace !

This is Us Returning with our LORD JESUS to rule the earth ! some over nations some over cities ?
Jud_1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
1Th_4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
1Th 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

We stay with our LORD while our Fathers wrath is upon this evil planet !He cannot bring His wrath upon His own household and family which we are After the NEW BIRTH !

Eph_2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
OUR HOME NOW is NEW JERUSALEM !

Eph_3:15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,

Rev_1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Rev_5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Joh_17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Joh_17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

Our Spirit is the child of God !not our weak sin filled flesh it returns to the dust of the earth ! We go home and get our New bodies that are like HIS !
Gen_3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Rom_8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Heb_12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

Gal_6:18 Brethren, the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. Amen. To the Galatians written from Rome.
Phm_1:25 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. Amen.

Rom_1:9 For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son

We are ALL a spirit being first above all else!

Rom_8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

As Muslim, I also await Jesus's return. BUT I'm uncertain whether those predictions were literal or metaphorical.
My heart wants it to be literal, my brain says those were metaphorical predictions...!!!

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http://www.christianforums.com/t7790501/#post64598799

Thanks for all the responses so far.
Here is the poll results up to today:

Will Jesus physically return to Earth in the second coming?

1. No, he'll meet us in the air
   18 vote(s)
   20.7%
2. Yes, he will physically reign on Earth
   57 vote(s)
   65.5%
3. *
   Don't know
   12 vote(s)
   13.8%

sur said:

As Muslim, I also await Jesus's return. BUT I'm uncertain whether those predictions were literal or metaphorical.
My heart wants it to be literal, my brain says those were metaphorical predictions...!!!

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Islamic Antichrist/Gog & Magog

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I believe that might be the views of a lot of Christians.......

A Corporeal Return? Says Who?

Residential Bob said:

Jesus tells Caiaphas that he is coming in power in the clouds of heaven (Mt 26:64). Yes, clouds of heaven; not a stratus cloud, a cumulus cloud, or a fog hovering over a lake. Clouds of heaven.

Jesus also says that he will come “as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west.” (Mt 24:27) He comes as light from all directions. Also as the sound of the trumpet of God. (1 Thes 4:16). To repeat, a trumpet of God, not marching band brass.


So where does the idea of a corporeal return come from? The church fathers? Dispensationalists? Who knows?

Certainly not from the Scriptures.

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Tyndale said:

Will his feet actually touch the ground in the second coming?

1 Thess 1:17 states we will be caught up to meet him in the air, Rev 21 seems to support this idea by describing the New Jerusalem coming down from heaven and the bride of Christ (church) is within, and this is after the old heaven and earth had passed away, also backed up in Matt 24:35.

However there are some who suggest Jesus will physically return to Earth. They support this by quoting Zechariah 14:4 which says, "in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives," and Revelation 11:15 which says, 'The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!'"

Does Zechariah 14 and Rev 11 describe the second coming?

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At the second coming -- which is the subject of 1Thess 4 -- the saints are raptured up in the air to meet the LORD in the air and will then be taken to "His Father's house" John 14:1-3 in heaven at that second coming event.

Then after the 1000 years, as Rev 20 and 21 state, that New Jerusalem comes down out of heaven to earth - and the New Earth will have the New Jerusalem here for all eternity.