Debunking Flat Earth

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The same place the earth goes. In a bulge.

Right, the water will rush towards the equator from both sides.

All objects exert gravity.

Prove it.

It is. The poor thing keeps missing, because it's moving too fast in its orbit.

So it's moving around earth at around 2,300 mph as earth orbits the sun at some 66,600 mph. Means it's traveling at up to 66,600 + 2,300 as it moves in the direction of earth's orbit, then 66,600 - 2,300 as it slows down when it swings back the other way. So constantly accelerating and decelerating by up to 4,600 mph. Is that your position?


I'm talking about the effect of the moon's supposed gravitational pull here on earth. It cannot overcome the earth's gravity or even come close, as shown by lagrange points:
Lagrange Points of the Earth-Moon System

No, it's his brother Claude.

They're plainly not identical twins, and bear zero resemblance to the adult in question. Just find a photo of a Japanese family and write names on it. Not evidence.
 
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The points in that post show a stunning ignorance of the relevant topics and even basic physics - you really need to find more reliable sources.

Ok, magic seals, valves, pumps and actuators that never need repair, replacement, maintenance and machining in a high-stress high-precision environment. Silly me, what was I thinking.
 
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So you're saying that they're intelligent enough to have this big conspiracy that no one has been able to prove, yet they are too stupid to even change their names?

Even the police know enough to do that when they put people into witness protection!

Indeed, they're protected by the incredulity (or credulity) of the general public. Case in point. Sad state of affairs. But hey, Nixon's on the landline to the guys on the moon. Don't let us shatter any illusions.
 
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I think you are on to something.
Here are a couple more examples.
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Look to the cross, friend, what is it that you see there?
 
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Right, the water will rush towards the equator from both sides.



Prove it.



So it's moving around earth at around 2,300 mph as earth orbits the sun at some 66,600 mph. Means it's traveling at up to 66,600 + 2,300 as it moves in the direction of earth's orbit, then 66,600 - 2,300 as it slows down when it swings back the other way. So constantly accelerating and decelerating by up to 4,600 mph. Is that your position?



I'm talking about the effect of the moon's supposed gravitational pull here on earth. It cannot overcome the earth's gravity or even come close, as shown by lagrange points:
Lagrange Points of the Earth-Moon System



They're plainly not identical twins, and bear zero resemblance to the adult in question. Just find a photo of a Japanese family and write names on it. Not evidence.
Another hiccup... With all this spinning, orbiting and moving, as the sun also moves through space...Yet.... the constellations have not changed in over 6000 years.
 
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No matter what you think of snopes, if you had read what they said, they make a very salient point: so they go to the trouble of faking their deaths, then let them continue on with their lives without even bothering to change their names?

It's beyond ridiculous. I seriously can't believe anybody buys it. Such a dumb claim. You got trolled.
Yet....there they are.... same names and uncanny resemblances..... How naive are we?

Hidden in plain sight they say..

Your argument cannot be..... "they were too dumb to change their names so it isn't true"

Are we too dumb to see what is right in front of our faces?
 
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Are we too dumb to see what is right in front of our faces?
I did some checking yesterday ... and there happen to be plenty of people in the US with the same names. Obviously, there are more instances of the more common names.

And the faces don't match ...
 
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Right, the water will rush towards the equator from both sides.

Just like the land rushed toward the equator, making a land bulge. So on top of the land bulge is a water bulge.

I'm talking about the effect of the moon's supposed gravitational pull here on earth. It cannot overcome the earth's gravity or even come close

At the surface of the earth, the force exerted by the moon's gravity on you is not as strong as the force exerted by the earth's gravity. But that does not mean it is zero, or that it has no effect. Objects are affected by the sum of all forces acting on them.

They're plainly not identical twins, and bear zero resemblance to the adult in question. Just find a photo of a Japanese family and write names on it. Not evidence.

You showed me a photo of a Japanese man with no name on it. Not evidence.
 
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Ok, magic seals, valves, pumps and actuators that never need repair, replacement, maintenance and machining in a high-stress high-precision environment. Silly me, what was I thinking.
Silly you indeed. As I explained, no magic involved. The equipment is of high quality and has a fairly well-known lifetime from extensive testing. It is replaced or repaired as and when necessary. As far as I know, machining of parts exposed to vacuum is all ground-based.
 
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Sir Isaac Newton (a devout Christian, I might add) worked out the math to explain gravity over 300 years ago. It's not a complicated formula either - it requires only multiplication and division, things that most people learn in grade school. When flat earthers say silly things like 'why don't billiard balls orbit each other', that means they either have math skills worse than a 10-year-old, or they are being intentionally dishonest.
 
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His letter is read from around:
  • 31:40 re seals. Flawless, maintenance-free seals required. Vacuum pressure is space is allegedly up to 1.33 × 10−11 Pa. Just a teeny bit stronger than anything down here. Listen to the Navy guy at 37:45 discuss their evaporator system.
The astronauts do the maintenance. Seals can last a long time before replacement, you don't seem to understand that its not the absolute pressure a seal cares about but the differential pressure across it. 15 psi or so is not very much pressure difference to seal anything.
  • Re valves from 40:00. How to de-gauss, how to vent excess pressure? No back pressure in space. how are filters changed? Compare commercial airliner. Maintenance teams?
  • Why do you need back pressure to vent something? All you need is a differential pressure.
  • Re actuators from 44:50. Pneumatics and hydraulics unknown to deal with that temp range. Electrical require maintenance especially because no grounding, replacing components is hard work. Does Amazon deliver the spares?
There is a grounding system on the ISS, do you understand electricity and what a ground is? Replacing components may be hard but they do it.
  • Re maintenance from 50:30. Where's the machine shop? Compare ships and subs. Metal will warp, seals will leak, tubes will crack, belts will break etc etc. Do these things just fix themselves? Are the magical spinning ball faeries called up to fix everything with their magic wands? Need some heavy grinding machinery. Missions are years long.
These are designed not to break, crack etc. when exposed to these conditions. These are not as extreme conditions as you want to believe. I was on a sub, did maintenance on a sub, the hatch seals never needed replacement the 4 years I was on it. These had to seal with over 400 psi differential pressure, the kind of pressure the ISS does not have to deal with. The reactor pumps have seals that are exposed to 480 F temps and 2000 psi differential pressures.

It seems that just because you don't understand how these things can be done then they cannot be done. That is fallacious. These have been demonstrated to work since 1969, or I guess that is another conspiracy theory you must believe in right? No moon landing.

That's right, 6 out of 7 found same full name or surname, right age group, look identical (2 identical twins!) Sure, sure. You're a coincidence theorist, tell me what are the chances of that?
Some of these people have been confirmed to live at the same time the challenger blew up. How do you explain that. This sullies their memories by calling them liars without sufficient evidence.

Judith Reznik - Judith Reznik
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Sharon ("Christa") McAuliffe - Sharon McAuliffe
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Now what are the chances, what are they mate? Come on champ, come on tiger, crunch the numbers, do tell.
You are making the claim it is up to you to figure that out.

Why are most flat earthers so combative? I believe it is because they know they are wrong.
 
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... I was on a sub, did maintenance on a sub, the hatch seals never needed replacement the 4 years I was on it. These had to seal with over 400 psi differential pressure, the kind of pressure the ISS does not have to deal with. The reactor pumps have seals that are exposed to 480 F temps and 2000 psi differential pressures.

It seems that just because you don't understand how these things can be done then they cannot be done. That is fallacious. These have been demonstrated to work since 1969, or I guess that is another conspiracy theory you must believe in right? No moon landing.
No submarines too! That is a particularly good example.
 
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What bearing would the Challenger tragedy have on the shape of the Earth anyway?

I believe it goes something like:

- Conspiracy theorists say the astronauts never actually died
- Therefore the disaster was a fake
- Therefore the whole space program is a fake
- Therefore outer space is a fake and the earth is flat
 
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Indeed, they're protected by the incredulity (or credulity) of the general public. Case in point. Sad state of affairs. But hey, Nixon's on the landline to the guys on the moon. Don't let us shatter any illusions.

Oh please.

Why not make people in witness protection keep their same name, and then the criminals who would kill them would think, "Well, there's no way they'd still be using their name, so it can't possibly be the person we're looking for!"
 
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