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If you study as you said I can't imagine you don't read more than two paragraphsNot a one.
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If you study as you said I can't imagine you don't read more than two paragraphsNot a one.
It says he made it to dishonor from the same lump he made another to honor.The potter made a vessel that was marred in his hand so he made a new vessel
I read topically.If you study as you said I can't imagine you don't read more than two paragraphs
Right. Jacob and Esau. The Israelites to honor and the Edomites to dishonor.It says he made it to dishonor from the same lump he made another to honor.
= salvation and damnation.Right. Jacob and Esau. The Israelites to honor and the Edomites to dishonor.
I agree.No need to use the word "tulip", is there? Simply present the truth from Scripture as Yahuweh gives utterance.
Not necessarily argue.But whether tulip is actually used or just the related concepts are discussed - there will be people who will argue every point and every concept.
hmm... go figure that one out , eh?actually believe that we are making doctrines up.
I don't read long posts over a paragraph or two.
Not a one.
Can you say it briefly?
Not lazy, but efficient. I speed read (scan) looking for keywords. Check them out and move on.this makes you appear lazy Dave?
Not lazy, but efficient. I speed read (scan) looking for keywords. Check them out and move on.
Yes - the doctrine of the decree of God concerning everything that happens in creation is clearly taught without ambiguity in the Word of God.Is there any doctrine in this forum that is not made up ?
I and all of Heaven rejoice that the Lord has called you into the sheepfold.
God's electing love is both the most amazing and the most humbling doctrine, apart from the person and work of Christ Jesus the Lord, found in the Scriptures.
God is in no way obligated to save any of us ungodly sinners.
I will PM you to further explain.
God is in no way obligated to save any of us ungodly sinners.
I find the longer the posts, the more the sin. (there are of course exceptions) But, this is actually written in Scripture also.this makes you appear lazy Dave?
you ask people for proof, they provide it scripture reference and explanation - but it's too long for you to read! lol..
this makes you appear lazy sadly.
How do you disprove any of this with scripture?Yet, as Calvinism teaches. . . According to God's Purpose, the Sovereign God formed man to be ungodly so he could be glorified by condemning them to eternal torment.
John Calvin
John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, vol. 2 (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1993 reprint), 206
“Since the arrangement of all things is in the hand of God, since to him belongs the disposal of life and death, he arranges all things by his sovereign counsel, in such a way that individuals are born, who are doomed from the womb to certain death, and are to glorify him by their destruction.”
John Calvin
John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, vol. 2 (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1993 reprint), 231.
“By predestination we mean the eternal decree of God, by which He determined with Himself whatever He wished to happen with regard to every man. All are not created on equal terms, but some are preordained to eternal life, others to eternal damnation; and, accordingly, as each has been created for one or other of those ends, we say that he has been predestined to life or death.”
John Calvin
John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, vol. 2 (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1993 reprint), 231.
“Those therefore whom God passes by He reprobates, and that for no other cause than he is pleased to exclude them….”
John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, vol. 2 (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1993 reprint), 231.
“If we cannot assign any reason for [God] bestowing mercy on his people, but just that it so pleases him, neither can we have any reason for his reprobating others but his will. When God is said to visit in mercy or harden whom he will, men are reminded that they are not to seek for any cause beyond his will.”
COOL! Nice Surprise... (I think and hope)....Yes - the doctrine of the decree of God concerning everything that happens in creation is clearly taught without ambiguity in the Word of God.
As for me and my house, we just read the Scripture (and test any message this way), and let God show us. That's what He Promised in a few places, and that's what He did/ does.How do you disprove any of this with scripture?
Doesn't God in His Word with no ambiguity clearly Reveal to His children Why He "reprobates" people specifically and generally ?neither can we have any reason for his reprobating others but his will.
Most Reformed or Calvinist assemblies state the doctrine of decrees very clearly...........So who is UNambiguous in their assembly ? (few, yes there are some, but few)