"Deep State" tried to recruit Nikki Haley

RocksInMyHead · Nov 11, 2019

NightHawkeye said:
“It should’ve been, ‘Go tell the president what your differences are, and quit if you don’t like what he’s doing,’” Haley told O’Donnell.

That's certainly one option.

“But to undermine a president is really a very dangerous thing.

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Perhaps, but many things worth doing are dangerous.

And it goes against the Constitution,

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No, it doesn't.

and it goes against what the American people want.

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Arguably not. Trump is not supported by the majority of Americans. Yes, yes, he won the election. We know. But to claim a "mandate from the people" when you did not win the popular vote and remain historically unpopular is blatantly untrue.

And it was offensive.”

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Well that's fair. But taking personal offense at something doesn't make it unconstitutional, illegal, or otherwise wrong.

They didn’t get elected. President Trump did. He is in charge and the decisions he makes are clearly having a positive impact on the United States and the world. For these bureaucrats to attempt to force their personal agendas onto the country is disgraceful. Both of them and the rest of their cabal should be ashamed of themselves, but they won’t be. In their minds, their potentially treasonous actions are justifiable.

Yeah, that's not how it works. The President is in charge, true, but he is not a king or a dictator. All officials take an oath of office to preserve and defend the Constitution, not the President. If they believe that the President is violating the Constitution, then you can argue that it is their sworn duty to oppose him.

Bobber · Nov 11, 2019

A_Thinker said:
What you're not getting is that this shows chaos occurring even among Trump's hand-picked staff.

So what? If certain ones won't come into agreement or at least carrying out his directions they can resign.

This has dire implications for the Trump train ... as it indicates that even a number of those willing to give Trump the benefit of the doubt ... find, it time, ... that he isn't a good choice for leading the country.

But do we know that they ever did give the President the benefit of the doubt from the start? You can think that but you don't know that for an absolute fact. I recall when some of these men were was picked many Trump supporters were questioning if certain ones were a good choice who would be loyal to the President yes even right from the start.

If Trump's hand-picked are discovering that this is true, it is also happening within the public. People who were willing to give Trump a chance with their vote, ... are now duly warned that he isn't the man that they thought that he could be ... and that he won't likely be changing for the better.

Or they might just consider those individuals were just not loyal to the President when they should have . That's not to say they should have always agreed with him and there disagreements shouldn't be expressed but to do things behind the scenes to subvert his directions.....I'd think voters might keep that in mind as being wrong.

A_Thinker · Nov 11, 2019

TLK Valentine said:
Except it's not happening with the public -- those who worship Donald from afar (and below) see nothing but the myth... those who actually deal with the man see the truth.

I'm not talking about true believers. I talking about those that thought that they maybe they could make a silk purse out ... of a sow's ear.

They now know that all they've got ... is a sow's ear.

TLK Valentine · Nov 11, 2019

A_Thinker said:
I'm not talking about true believers. I talking about those that thought that they maybe they could make a silk purse out ... of a sow's ear.

They now know that all they've got ... is a sow's ear.

Yes, but if they admit that, then they're admitting that they've been made fools of. Some people can't handle that.

Ever read Huckleberry Finn? There's a chapter where two con artists put on a play called "The Royal Nonesuch," and cheat a bunch of townspeople. Rather than call out the conmen (and expose themselves as suckers) they instead con the rest of the town to the fake show, so that everyone, not just themselves, look foolish.

Mountainmanbob · Nov 11, 2019

GoldenBoy89 said:
That’s easy enough but it seems to change often who these people actually are. It almost seems to depend entirely on where they stand politically.

They are on both sides of the aisle
and have been since the beginning of time.
Ones who wish to destroy.
M-Bob

GOD Shines Forth! · Nov 11, 2019

TLK Valentine said:
Yes, but if they admit that, then they're admitting that they've been made fools of. Some people can't handle that.

Some can simply admit I WAS WRONG and move on. You need them to suffer for it?

wing2000 · Nov 11, 2019

Bobber said:
No because McGahn was basing his position of his understanding of law. Not only that but her offered to resign. Not so with these other two. According to Nikki Haley they wanted to stay on their jobs without resigning. And they said they resisted for people could be killed, I suppose they're talking about policy decisions for the military. Perhaps there could be but that's the President's call and decision to make risking the possibility of such NOT their place . The were not elected to be Commander and Chief!

It's also the President's call to ignore legal advice. McGahn ignored a direct order.

iluvatar5150 · Nov 11, 2019

Just reading the article in the OP, I actually respect her generally approach, but then there's this ridiculous comment she made on CBS for which Bill Kristol rightfully called her out:

Bill Kristol on Twitter

grasping the after wind · Nov 11, 2019

whatbogsends said:
Going against Trump isn't "undermining what is best for our country, and us, the American people". In fact, going against Trump is in the country's (and the American peoples) best interest.

The problem with believing that one is always right and that because of this the ends justify the means is that people with that attitude are mistaken on two counts instead of just one.

whatbogsends · Nov 11, 2019

grasping the after wind said:
The problem with believing that one is always right and that because of this the ends justify the means is that people with that attitude are mistaken on two counts instead of just one.

The one who I see that believes he is always right is Trump.

I don't believe I am always right. I do, however, believe that Trump's corruption and dishonesty is painfully obvious.

GoldenBoy89 · Nov 11, 2019

iluvatar5150 said:
Just reading the article in the OP, I actually respect her generally approach, but then there's this ridiculous comment she made on CBS for which Bill Kristol rightfully called her out:

Bill Kristol on Twitter

I heard that comment on the radio this morning and that was literally my first thought. That “bunch of people” was elected by the American People to represent them in exactly matters such as this.

I actually think Haley is one of the better picks from this administration and I don’t exactly disagree with her general point about Tillerson and Kelly going against Trump, but this idea that Congress somehow doesn’t have a legitimate right to impeach the president is just going too far. Never have I seen one part of the federal government try so hard to undermine the legitimate legal powers of another part of the same government.

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN · Nov 11, 2019

GoldenBoy89 said:
Deep State? Wasn’t it Trump who hired them on?

Reasons , I believe the Deep State is made up by Trump supporters. They're the ones, that keep bringing it up.

TLK Valentine · Nov 11, 2019

GOD Shines Forth! said:
Some can simply admit I WAS WRONG and move on. You need them to suffer for it?

It doesn't matter what I need.... they need to avoide that "suffering" because some people can't simply admit "I was wrong."

TLK Valentine · Nov 11, 2019

grasping the after wind said:
The problem with believing that one is always right and that because of this the ends justify the means is that people with that attitude are mistaken on two counts instead of just one.

Well there is certainly no shortage of people who think they're always right...

Tiberius Lee · Nov 11, 2019

A_Thinker said:
You mean Rex Tillerson ... and General Kelly ?

Weren't those Trump appointments ?

Any one who doesn’t follow and worship the “ Dear Leader” is Deep state! Rax T and Gen Kelly may have been Trump appointee but because today they don’t worship him they are all “deep state” 1

Welcome to Police Sate of America!

TLK Valentine · Nov 11, 2019

NightHawkeye said:
The biggest problem with unelected bureaucrats and the so-called “Deep State” is they believe their sensibilities are superior to anyone, even the President and especially even the voters. They pretend to be acting on their conscience, but Haley made an important point when interviewed by CBS Evening News anchor Norah O’Donnell.

How high is that particular bar set these days?

“It should’ve been, ‘Go tell the president what your differences are, and quit if you don’t like what he’s doing,’” Haley told O’Donnell. “But to undermine a president is really a very dangerous thing. And it goes against the Constitution, and it goes against what the American people want. And it was offensive.”
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Quit, and the President simply replaces you with a yes-man who's fluent in sniveling... he's done it before.

If The Great Leader is not acting in the best interests of the country, sometimes acting against Great Leader is for the country.

Interesting story -- I was out with a few friends of mine having some drinks, and one of our number was clearly too sloshed to drive home. Now, this particular person we've nicknamed "Ogre," because he looks... well.... exactly like a guy named "Ogre" should look.

(Well, not quite, but you get the general idea.)

Now, "Ogre" is not a mean drunk -- at least, no more so than when he's sober -- but still, rather than confront him about this fact, one of our crew was able to surreptitiously lift the keys out of his coat pocket... when he couldn't find them, we called him an Uber and sent him home, promising to look for them in his absence. Sure enough, the next day, "Ogre" got a call from the bartender, explaining how his keys were "found" on the men's room floor.

Doncha love a happy ending?

Go Braves · Nov 11, 2019

GoldenBoy89 said:
Deep State? Wasn’t it Trump who hired them on?

Don't let such a pesky detail get in the way of a good conspiracy theory.

TLK Valentine · Nov 11, 2019

For anyone still swallowing the "Deep State" narrative, consider this:

The truly frightening thing about Nikki Haley's big revelation - CNNPolitics

Neither Tillerson nor Kelly can be accurately described as so-called "deep state" actors either. Both men were new to this level of government. They were the farthest thing from embedded within the vast government bureaucracy. And not to sound like a broken record, but Trump appointed both of them!
So consider what it means that within a relatively short period of time, not only had both men identified major concerns with the President, but were so concerned that they were reaching out to others within the administration to try recruit them to a protect-the-country-at-all-costs mission.
You can absolutely question -- as Haley has done -- why Tillerson and Kelly didn't just resign rather than trying to run a persuasion campaign within the White House to sideline the President. (My guess would be that they would say they were worried what might happen if they left.
But what, to me, is the most important part of the story is that both of these hugely accomplished Cabinet officials, who were hand-picked for their roles by the President and who, presumably, came into the administration favorably inclined to him, so quickly and clearly assessed that the man they were working for was an active danger to the country.
And such a danger that they were in the process of actively recruiting people within the administration to help them keep the President from doing anything that would endanger the country.
Think about that. It's terrifying.

Kind of torpedoes that narrative, doesn't it?

Aryeh Jay · Nov 11, 2019

I trust President Trump more than some Wall Street Corporate humbug and a washed up failure of a General. Disloyal traitors first and last. God Bless our Elected leader!

cow451 · Nov 11, 2019

Mountainmanbob said:
That's ok because, we need to realize
some still don't even know what the
Deep State is?

Blinded
but,
not by the light.

M-Bob

Tillerson had never served in government. No career bureaucrat there.

"Deep State" tried to recruit Nikki Haley

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