Do Dispensationalists share in the guilt of bloodshed related to Israel?

Dave L said:

How do you support Israel and preach the gospel to their neighbors?

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I support any nation to the protection of the safety of their civilians civil and human rights.... no matter what they believe as a "religion".

All human lives are precious and deserve to live.

I do not agree with suicide bombing of shopping malls, taking pot shots with missiles and other explosives at schools, neighborhoods or buses and other places where innocent men women and children will be killed..

I fully support any military action to halt, stop, curtail or eliminate these threats from whatever adversary...as the right of any nation to protect its civilians.

As for The gospel..... should be sown on all the soil... It is then up to the Holy Spirit to work with the type of soil that the seed falls on....

Dave L said:

The Jews were trying to kill Paul for teaching against circumcision and would have killed Timothy too if caught uncircumcised with a Jewish mother.

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So - for convenience, Paul did something that is contrary to scripture? Your logic is unworkable, even as your esigesis of scripture is unacceptable and your accusations are false.

Dave L said:

How do you support Israel and preach the gospel to their neighbors?

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How do you preach the gospel to Israel while supporting their murderers?

Dave L said:

How do you support Israel and preach the gospel to their neighbors?

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Why would there be an issue with this ? I support organisations who do that exactly.

JacksBratt said:

I'm assuming that, somehow, you don't agree with Israels right to protect itself...


All I understand is that Israel, as a sovereign state, country, is in perfect right to protect itself.

You choose....

A group firing random bombs into your country's schools and villages...

Answered by surgical hits on caches of these bombs.... with days of warnings to the foe that they will do these attacks..

All the while, the bombs are stored in schools and churches....a war crime.


What would the US do if Mexico or Canada started firing rockets into the cities and villages of the US? Would they have the right to retaliate?

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I think this is the bottom line here. I think this is where Dave's question stems from. I've seen lots of people approach from this angle. Some of them (including my father in law) turned 180deg.

Dave L said:

What about the Palestinians protecting themselves from Israel?

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I do not think you can provide even one truthful account of an unprovoked attack by the nation of Israel against Palestinians. The Palestinians started the war against Israel on the very first day it officially existed as a nation, and they have never relented in this war, in which they openly declare their intention to annihilate all Jews.

Dave L said:

But are you a respecter of persons?

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Ok, what exactly do you mean by this.

Dave L said:

Excuse me, weren't the Palestinians there first?

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And here we are ! The core of all of Dave's 'questions'.

Dave, Id suggest a real, in depth study of the region, and historically how it relates to scripture.
I'll also add, from spending time there, - many in the west are massively deceived as to the true nature of events, both past and present.

Biblewriter said:

I do not think you can provide even one truthful account of an unprovoked attack by the nation of Israel against Palestinians. The Palestinians started the war against Israel on the very first day it officially existed as a nation, and they have never relented in this war, in which they openly declare their intention to annihilate all Jews.

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Indeed. It's no secret at all that the core aim is to kill every Jew. It's been stated time and time again. It's never actually been about the land itself, it's down to one side wanting the obliteration of the other side.

Dave L said:

Do Dispensationalists share in the guilt of bloodshed related to Israel?

I’m interested in how their support for the State of Israel fits into the plan to preach the gospel to all nations.

Paul teaches all of God’s promises are yes in Jesus. How can the ancient promises apply to those who exist solely because of their hatred and rejection of Jesus?

Does Dispensationalism teach two gospels? One for the church and another based on OT Law for the Jews? Where in the future another temple will replace the gospel with Judaism?

I have many more questions. But these first come to mind.

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There are radical forms of Dispentsationalism just as there are radical forms of Preterism and Futurism.
"Anathema" comes to mind...............

Acts 23:14
Who-any toward coming to the Chief-priests and to the Elders say "to-anathema/anaqemati <331> We anathematize/aneqematisamen <332> (5656) ourselves of no yet nothing to taste till of which we may be killing Paul.

YLT} Galatians 1:
6I wonder that ye are so quickly removed from Him who did call you in the grace of Christ to another good news; 7that is not another, except there be certain who are troubling you, and wishing to pervert the good news of the Christ;
8but even if we or a messenger out of heaven may proclaim good news to you different from what we did proclaim to you — anathema let him be! 9as we have said before, and now say again, If any one to you may proclaim good news different from what ye did receive — anathema let him be!
10for now men do I persuade, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if yet men I did please — Christ’s servant I should not be.

Revelation 22:3
and every anathema/kat-anaqema <2652> not shall be still. And the throne of the God and of the Lamb-kin in Her shall be, and His bond-servants shall be offering divine-service to Him.
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History of God's Holy Bible and the so-called Jews

The Hebrew word translated "utterly destroy" is 'cherem.' Both the people and the land of Canaan were 'cherem,' meaning FORCIBLY dedicated to God as withdrawn from His service and worship wherein He was not glorified, and by the hands of another, devoted to Him for destruction whereby He will be glorified. The equivalent Greek word is "anathema."
In the case of the Canaanites who were natural Serpent's seed, cherem is the consecration to God of His enemies (Hebrew "hated ones" - Isaiah 34:1-8; Malachi 1:2-3; Romans 9:13), and their belongings by means of fire and sword
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Dispensationalism – Grace Online Library

.........Dispensationalism has a pervasive influence not only extensively, but also intensively. It is usually the case that those who embrace its teachings as a system are affected in almost every area of their theological thinking. So pervasive is its effect on those who have become its pupils, that even those who have come to see the error of its basic presuppositions testify that dispensational cobwebs have remained in their thinking for a long time after the initial sweeping took place.
No evaluation of Dispensational Premillennialism may ignore its teaching of a two-phased return of Christ, the first phase of which is commonly known as the rapture. This feature is its

Dave L said:

It's where the bloodshed involvement of Dispensationalism originates.

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Wrong. It's where deception through current affairs leads to a re-writing of scripture and God's plans.