Burisma lobbied Obama Admin to drop probe

Mountainmanbob said:

Looks like when Biden Jr was working for Burisma, Burisma had influence and a strong connection straight to the Obama white house?

They pay good money for that.

M-Bob

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They got memos under the FOIA then they need to publish those memos so that the timeline can be compared to other information that has already been published.

lasthero said:

According to the company he worked for, he provided legal advice. Which makes sense, what with him being a lawyer and all.

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Makes sense to me ...

Mountainmanbob said:

Looks like when Biden Jr was working for Burisma, Burisma had influence and a strong connection straight to the Obama white house?

They pay good money for that.

M-Bob

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They say that on Feb. 20, 2016, the home of the owner of Burisma was raided. This was after Biden told the Ukraine president that they needed to remove Shokin. They didn't do that until March 2016 and months after Biden was there in Dec. 2015.

Here the Washington Post corrects a media error and shows the timeline for Biden's conversations with the Ukraine which took place over a year.

As we demonstrated, Biden was never in Kiev in March 2016, as many news organizations have reported. The tying of $1 billion in loan guarantees to needed reforms, including the ouster of Shokin, was a policy pursued over many months, but Biden’s explicit linkage was made during his trip to Kiev in December — three months earlier.

Biden’s overly dramatic foreshortening of events has confused many reporters, including here at The Fact Checker. We’ve corrected our mistake, and we urge other news organizations to do so as well.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...a-error-bidens-ukraine-showdown-was-december/

Stanfordella said:

The person who is the happiest is the one who has a satisfied mind. I in all genuineness feel sorry for Donald Trump because with all his wealth since infancy, with all his luxuries and all his power, that is something that he doesn't possess because it cannot be bought, transferred, or inherited. It's a decision to be happy based on the privilege not of power or goods but of life itself. Trump has been conditioned since childhood to believe he's entitled to perpetually getting his way, and his happiness is dependent on it. His joy is ephemeral. As soon as he is told no, as soon as he's criticized, it evaporates. It's a benevolence to tell children the word no when necessary and teach them how to accept it with grace; to show them how to adapt to setbacks and persevere through defeats and failures; to accept criticisms, to be fair, and take accountability. I think Trump being so spoiled as a child spoiled his ability to be truly happy as an adult, and that's sad.

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Are you a psychoanalyst? Even as just an opinion the above is off base, IMO. Trump is surrounded by the jackals of DC and he keeps working and forwarding whatever he can of his agenda. He continues to be positive about it. THAT'S a consistent trait the man exhibits.

That is not possible for the pitiful soul you describe, he'd be curled up in a ball. As much as you might imagine Trump to be pathetic and unhappy--and then "feel sorry" for, as you deem him "spoiled"?--it's far from the observable truth of his decades in the public eye.

GOD Shines Forth! said:

Are you a psychoanalyst? Even as just an opinion the above is off base, IMO. Trump is surrounded by the jackals of DC and he keeps working and forwarding whatever he can of his agenda. He continues to be positive about it. THAT'S a consistent trait the man exhibits.

That is not possible for the pitiful soul you describe, he'd be curled up in a ball. As much as you might imagine Trump to be pathetic and unhappy--and then "feel sorry" for, as you deem him "spoiled"?--it's far from the observable truth of his decades in the public eye.

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Perhaps one can determine Trump's state of mind from his tweets ...

GOD Shines Forth! said:

Are you a psychoanalyst? Even as just an opinion the above is off base, IMO. Trump is surrounded by the jackals of DC and he keeps working and forwarding whatever he can of his agenda. He continues to be positive about it. THAT'S a consistent trait the man exhibits.

That is not possible for the pitiful soul you describe, he'd be curled up in a ball. As much as you might imagine Trump to be pathetic and unhappy--and then "feel sorry" for, as you deem him "spoiled"?--it's far from the observable truth of his decades in the public eye.

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I'm one of the youngest members of the American Psychological Association and have presented two papers at their national conventions, so yes I actually do have some experience in psychoanalysis, though none is really necessary to realize Donald Trump was a spoiled child who became a spoiled man, and that he lacks a satisfied mind. I grew up next to Trump's golf course in Palos Verdes and have written about experiences that formed my impression of him in detail in other threads here. His former agent, someone who knew him for more than 25 years, was a friend of my family's (he passed away in 2016), and he very genuinely pitied Donald Trump. The actual author of his book, The Art of the Deal, Tony Schwartz, has shared his personal recollections of Trump in depth while talking at my school. I've also talked with his former high school classmates since my dad went to the same military school, though they were decades apart. Before the school went bankrupt and got sold off to Chinese investors a few years ago, they had reunion events that all classes and their families could attend. So my observations extend beyond what is publicly observable, and predate his move to DC.

I've also read several of the books written by those who've directly worked with him, in addition to of course having read his unhinged rage of Tweet storms, seen the pictures of him petulantly scowling with his arms crossed, and heard his ludicrous comments.

What do you think Johnny Cash meant with the lyric "it's so hard to find one rich man in ten with a satisfied mind"? Men attaining vast material possessions but being deficient in personal contentment and peace are written about in the Bible.

A_Thinker said:

Perhaps one can determine Trump's state of mind from his tweets ...

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Exactly right.

Stanfordella said:

I'm one of the youngest members of the American Psychological Association and have presented two papers at their national conventions, so yes I actually do have some experience in psychoanalysis,

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Oh, that’s beautiful.

Stanfordella said:

I'm one of the youngest members of the American Psychological Association and have presented two papers at their national conventions, so yes I actually do have some experience in psychoanalysis, though none is really necessary to realize Donald Trump was a spoiled child who became a spoiled man, and that he lacks a satisfied mind. I grew up next to Trump's golf course in Palos Verdes and have written about experiences that formed my impression of him in detail in other threads here. His former agent, someone who knew him for more than 25 years, was a friend of my family's (he passed away in 2016), and he very genuinely pitied Donald Trump. The actual author of his book, The Art of the Deal, Tony Schwartz, has shared his personal recollections of Trump in depth while talking at my school. I've also talked with his former high school classmates since my dad went to the same military school, though they were decades apart. Before the school went bankrupt and got sold off to Chinese investors a few years ago, they had reunion events that all classes and their families could attend. So my observations extend beyond what is publicly observable, and predate his move to DC.

I've also read several of the books written by those who've directly worked with him, in addition to of course having read his unhinged rage of Tweet storms, seen the pictures of him petulantly scowling with his arms crossed, and heard his ludicrous comments.

What do you think Johnny Cash meant with the lyric "it's so hard to find one rich man in ten with a satisfied mind"? Men attaining vast material possessions but being deficient in personal contentment and peace are written about in the Bible.

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So you have a lot of hearsay and gossip as a backdrop? I get that he appalls you, but there is nothing definitive in that beside your own impressions (and the gathered impressions of others). I have worked in fine dining and catering and have had a fly on the wall view of many different very wealthy people's lives. It's quite easy to pity them, as they seem imprisoned to this average person. But what do I know, really? Isn't it easy to project pity on the rich? Much of society does this, and corrupt politicians (who are rich themselves) use the envy and contempt to rabble rouse. Many poor people actually long to be rich, but it eludes them.

I don't know Trump any better than you do, and have nothing in common with the man other than agreement with various policies and his willingness to break out of the Republican Nice Guy/Sucker stranglehold. Whatever you, your friends or the world think of him there is no denying that he is not folding. I find that amazing given what he is up against.

A_Thinker said:

Perhaps one can determine Trump's state of mind from his tweets ...

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No, that is a modern form of instant, clipped dialogue and is not a serious source of info. He does enjoy using it, but his more serious sit-downs are a better source of where his head is at. Very few detractors will ever watch those, which is understandable. They are as unserious as they accuse him of being and love to build cases based on their surface-skimming of tweets.

GOD Shines Forth! said:

So you have a lot of hearsay and gossip as a backdrop? I get that he appalls you, but there is nothing definitive in that beside your own impressions (and the gathered impressions of others). I have worked in fine dining and catering and have had a fly on the wall view of many different very wealthy people's lives. It's quite easy to pity them, as they seem imprisoned to this average person. But what do I know, really? Isn't it easy to project pity on the rich? Much of society does this, and corrupt politicians (who are rich themselves) use the envy and contempt to rabble rouse. Many poor people actually long to be rich, but it eludes them.

I don't know Trump any better than you do, and have nothing in common with the man other than agreement with various policies and his willingness to break out of the Republican Nice Guy/Sucker stranglehold. Whatever you, your friends or the world think of him there is no denying that he is not folding. I find that amazing given what he is up against.

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That's what you get from her post???! I was about to write to her to say that it was an excellent post, but one that sure was not due to you, on account of how you'd react, well exactly as you did. Glad she wrote it for the rest of us. You having worked as a fly on the wall as a caterer or waiter to wealthier folks isn't at all on par, not even in the same ballpark, to what she described. She's made it clear she knows Trump a heck of a lot more than you do, knows folks who've known him in depth.

Do you have any experience in psychoanalysis yourself? I've read where you've made an attempt at such analysis of Hillary Clinton, lol.

GOD Shines Forth! said:

Are you a psychoanalyst? Even as just an opinion the above is off base, IMO.

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Seems spot on to me, IMO.

Trump is surrounded by the jackals of DC and he keeps working and forwarding whatever he can of his agenda.

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Donald is surrounded by "jackals" he hand-picked. Will he never be held responsible for his own actions?

He continues to be positive about it. THAT'S a consistent trait the man exhibits.

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Positive? You see positivity in Donald's attitude? The man screams and complains and moans in self-pity at every setback

I guess not everyone has Twitter.

That is not possible for the pitiful soul you describe, he'd be curled up in a ball.

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...or running to safe spaces where any criticism against him can be punished.

As much as you might imagine Trump to be pathetic and unhappy--and then "feel sorry" for, as you deem him "spoiled"?--it's far from the observable truth of his decades in the public eye.

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Decades before he became president and discovered -- to his horror -- that he doesn't always get what he wants.

Seems like Luke 6:24-26 is going to come down on him like a ton of bricks.

Go Braves said:

I've read where you've made an attempt at such analysis of Hillary Clinton, lol.

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This is the only thing in your post that interests me. I don't recall attempting that on Hillary, or claiming that I was qualified to do so.

TLK Valentine said:

Seems spot on to me, IMO.



Donald is surrounded by "jackals" he hand-picked. Will he never be held responsible for his own actions?



Positive? You see positivity in Donald's attitude? The man screams and complains and moans in self-pity at every setback

I guess not everyone has Twitter.



...or running to safe spaces where any criticism against him can be punished.



Decades before he became president and discovered -- to his horror -- that he doesn't always get what he wants.

Seems like Luke 6:24-26 is going to come down on him like a ton of bricks.

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Exactly right. What Stanfordella here wrote isn't hearsay or gossip, & it's not on par with being a waiter / caterer who has been a fly on the wall observing rich folks, lol. Amazing anybody could convolute what was written to get to that. Most importantly, her testimony lines up perfectly with the facts publicly known. Not just the multitude of his insane tweets, at all hours of the day & night. Or the pictures, videos of him scowling, sulking with his arms crossed. We know that Donald has got the worst staff turnover of any president in modern history. He hires these folks. He's bragged he only hires the best. They quit on him on account of his conduct. Shoot, there are four star generals who survived some of the worst things that could be thrown at them in this world, but resigned from working with Donald.

GOD Shines Forth! said:

No, that is a modern form of instant, clipped dialogue and is not a serious source of info. He does enjoy using it, but his more serious sit-downs are a better source of where his head is at.

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Yes ... his state of mind is quite evident at these functions as well. In fact, Trump seems to be incapable of moderating himself to any degree. What you see, read, and hear ... is exactly who he is ...

Mountainmanbob said:

Biden Jr has already stated that it was a bad idea.

To say the least.

M

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It's necessary to read the substance of the NPR article you posted and not merely sever off the headline and serve it as embodying Hunter Biden's statements in his interview with ABC that the article is about.
As Hunter Biden made clear, the reason he thinks it was a bad idea is not because it was unscrupulous, improper, or regrettable business-wise, but because of Donald Trump's proclivity of accepting debunked disinformation as fact and chasing after conspiracy theories. When the attempt to dig up dirt is made, even if there is no dirt to be found, it makes a mess on everyone standing nearby. He stated:

I gave a hook to some very unethical people to act in illegal ways to try to do some harm to my father. That's where I made the mistake," said Biden. "So I take full responsibility for that. Did I do anything improper? No, not in any way. Not in any way whatsoever."

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As for the claim that Hunter Biden was being paid "for doing nothing" that's one made by his father's political opponent, and is contrast to what more than a dozen people, including executives at Burisma and former prosecutors in Ukraine, stated in interviews about his five-year term on the board. They've portrayed him as a genuinely helpful non-executive director who provided advice on legal issues and consultation on corporate finance and strategy. He has a JD from Yale. Prior to his position at Burisma he was an attorney with one of the most prestigious, high-profile law firms. He also was vice chairman of the board of Amtrak for five years, and the chairman of the board of the U.N. World Food Program. He confounded an international consulting firm.

Trump and his base have argued Hunter Biden's position was only titular in nature because he didn't personally travel to Ukraine, but that's an erroneous belief. It's a common practice today for investment advisory and political consulting firms to provide their services remotely. It's what the major K Street and Silicon Valley firms like RiceHadleyGates regularly do. It's also customary for them to have retainers from their clients. Not the type that go in your mouth, haha, but the fees paid in advance to secure services. Biden regularly attended Burisma’s twice annual board meetings – all of which were held outside of Ukraine. Executives has stated that he routinely took part in strategic conversations; shared his opinions and experience; provided analysis of assets the company was considering buying abroad; and had a crucial role in finding lawyers when they were looking to secure a financing deal with foreign investment funds.

Mountainmanbob said:

To early in the morning to read all that.
Bottom line.
You think Biden was worth 80 grand a month.
I think the whole thing stinks.
And it ain't going away real soon.

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Nothing stinks like the mess in the White House.

* Donald shakes down a US ally for dirt on a political opponent
* Donald has his daughter and son-in-law as presidential advisors
* Donald's former cabinet members testify to his derangements
* Donald's daughter gets favored status in China for her patents
* Donald hawks his son's book
* Donald's election officials/attorneys are indicted and convicted
* Donald can't say no to Putin
" Donald makes a mess of US involvement in Syria

... and with all of that, all you can find to harp on ... is that Biden's son had a lucrative position overseas during his father's Vice Presidency ?

Mountainmanbob said:

And daddy Biden
might as well throw in the towel.
Seems his Party knows and is pulling away?

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Republicans/Conservatives can't even read their own tea leaves.

They surely don't have a clue as to what Democrats are thinking ...

Mountainmanbob said:

To early in the morning to read all that.
Bottom line.
You think Biden was worth 80 grand a month.
I think the whole thing stinks.
And it ain't going away real soon.

And daddy Biden
might as well throw in the towel.
Seems his Party knows and is pulling away?

M-Bob

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So, basically:

“I’m going to ignore everything in this post and keep my uninformed opinion.”