The Sabbath of the TEN Commandments - for all mankind (V2)

BobRyan · Oct 1, 2019

Bob S said:
In Isaiah 66 Sabbath worship and walking among the dead bodies is the plan for those who make it to heaven

Until you read it and get comfortable with exegesis.

22 “For just as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I make will endure before Me,” declares the Lord,
“So your offspring and your name will endure.
23 “And it shall be from new moon to new moon
And from Sabbath to Sabbath,
All mankind will come to bow down before Me,” says the Lord.
24 “Then they will go forth and look
On the corpses of the men
Who have transgressed against Me.
For their worm will not die
And their fire will not be quenched;
And they will be an abhorrence to all mankind.”

Is it your claim that the wicked will be "ashes under our feet" (or is it that you think we will be walking in fire???)

Mal 4:3 3 You will tread down the wicked, for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day which I am preparing,” says the Lord of hosts.

After the Rev 20 "lake of fire" event where all the wicked experience the "second death" on Earth - we see this..

Rev 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea. 2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be among them, 4 and He will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there will no longer be any death;

Which of course is not the topic of the thread - but from there they go on to live life where

22 “For just as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I make will endure before Me,” declares the Lord,
“So your offspring and your name will endure.
23 “And it shall be from new moon to new moon
And from Sabbath to Sabbath,
All mankind will come to bow down before Me,” says the Lord.

Ex 20:10 "the seventh day is the SABBATH of the LORD (YHWH) ...
Ex 20: "11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and made it holy."

Gen 2: 2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

The point remains.

BobRyan · Oct 28, 2019

and of course "do not take God's name in vain" Ex 20:7 -- also "for all mankind" as are all of the TEN where the 5th command is "The first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2 in that still-valid unit of ten

Bob S · Nov 2, 2019

BobRyan said:
Until you read it and get comfortable with exegesis.

22 “For just as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I make will endure before Me,” declares the Lord,
“So your offspring and your name will endure.
23 “And it shall be from new moon to new moon
And from Sabbath to Sabbath,
All mankind will come to bow down before Me,” says the Lord.
24 “Then they will go forth and look
On the corpses of the men
Who have transgressed against Me.
For their worm will not die
And their fire will not be quenched;
And they will be an abhorrence to all mankind.”

Is it your claim that the wicked will be "ashes under our feet" (or is it that you think we will be walking in fire???)

Mal 4:3 3 You will tread down the wicked, for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day which I am preparing,” says the Lord of hosts.

After the Rev 20 "lake of fire" event where all the wicked experience the "second death" on Earth - we see this..

Rev 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea. 2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be among them, 4 and He will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there will no longer be any death;

Which of course is not the topic of the thread - but from there they go on to live life where

22 “For just as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I make will endure before Me,” declares the Lord,
“So your offspring and your name will endure.
23 “And it shall be from new moon to new moon
And from Sabbath to Sabbath,
All mankind will come to bow down before Me,” says the Lord.

The point remains.

What excuse do you have up your sleeve for not observing the new moons?? What excuse do you have for Is 65: 17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth:
and the former shall not be remembered,
nor come into mind. Yet in Is 66 we will walk amongst dead bodies of those who didn't get eternal life. How is that not remembering?
18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create:
for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing,
and her people a joy.
19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem,
and joy in my people:
and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her,
nor the voice of crying.
20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days,
nor an old man that hath not filled his days:
for the child shall die an hundred years old;
but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed. How does that verse fit in to the picture of eternal life and only those that are righteous will be in Heaven? How did the sinner get there for one hundred years and then become accursed?
21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them;
and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
22 They shall not build, and another inhabit;
they shall not plant, and another eat: Kinds reeks of selfishment doesn't it?
for as the days of a tree are the days of my people,
and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands. Trees die and Isaiah's analogy indicates that man too will die in eternal Heaven. How does that fit into the picture we have of Heaven??
23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble;
for they are the seed of the blessed of the Lord,
and their offspring with them. Offspring??
24 And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer;
and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.
25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together,
and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock:
and dust shall be the serpent’s meat. Would that be any way to treat even a serpent, make it eat dust??
They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain,
saith the Lord.

Now Bob is Isaiah's account of the new Earth in chapter 65 the same new Earth as in chapter 66? Are we not going to live for eternity? Will babies be born in Heaven? Will we come before the Father every week? Will we go out amongst dead bodies?

Maybe you should pick some other verse to bolster your claim that we are to observe the Sabbath. Isaiah's account seems like it doesn't fit what Heaven is really going to be like.

BobRyan · Nov 6, 2019

Bob S said:
In Isaiah 66 Sabbath worship and walking among the dead bodies is the plan for those who make it to heaven

Until you read it and get comfortable with exegesis.

22 “For just as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I make will endure before Me,” declares the Lord,
“So your offspring and your name will endure.
23 “And it shall be from new moon to new moon
And from Sabbath to Sabbath,
All mankind will come to bow down before Me,” says the Lord.
24 “Then they will go forth and look
On the corpses of the men
Who have transgressed against Me.
For their worm will not die
And their fire will not be quenched;
And they will be an abhorrence to all mankind.”

Is it your claim that the wicked will be "ashes under our feet" (or is it that you think we will be walking in fire???)

Mal 4:3 3 You will tread down the wicked, for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day which I am preparing,” says the Lord of hosts.

After the Rev 20 "lake of fire" event where all the wicked experience the "second death" on Earth - we see this..

Rev 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea. 2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be among them, 4 and He will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there will no longer be any death;

Which of course is not the topic of the thread - but from there they go on to live life where

22 “For just as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I make will endure before Me,” declares the Lord,
“So your offspring and your name will endure.
23 “And it shall be from new moon to new moon
And from Sabbath to Sabbath,
All mankind will come to bow down before Me,” says the Lord.

The point remains.

Bob S said:
What excuse do you have up your sleeve for not observing the new moons?? .

Today mankind has one creation event to "remember".

But in Rev 20 - New Earth -- we will have two creation events to remember.

next.

(Is this helping your case for ignoring the Ten Commandments as being included in the moral law of God written on the heart under the New Covenant??)

Bob S · Nov 10, 2019

BR wrote in his opening statement the following:

Some are interested in this teaching in the Bible about the 7th day Sabbath of the Ten Commandments being for all mankind. (as opposed to the Sabbath of the TEN Commandments being temporary or merely ceremonial).

The scripture says the Sabbath was made for man not all mankind. Your statement is a misnomer to begin with.

Secondly, you also created a misnomer when you stated that we believe the ten commandments were merely ceremonial. Lets get this clear from here on out, your statements are false plus the fact that it was the Apostle Paul that wrote in 2Cor3:6-11 that the ten commandments were temporary. I and others merely quote the great apostle. Our confidence is with scripture, not with some churches teachings.

I have always clarified that nine of the ten commandments are dealing with morality and laws dealing with morality are forever and are part of the new covenant Royal Law of Love. The remaining commandment was a ritual command jus like all the other ritual commands found in the Sinai covenant.

You can quote all the great men and their church affiliation teaches the Ten commandments all you want, they just didn't/don't have everything figured out or didn't care. They also believe the wicked will burn forever which you and I know that only the righteous will live eternally. They talked out of both sides of their mouths saying that we are under the ten commandments and then do not observe the fourth one which plainly states that it is the seventh-day and not the first-day like they were and are observing.

BobRyan · Nov 10, 2019

Bob S said:
You can quote all the great men and their church affiliation teaches the Ten commandments all you want, t

Thanks. I don't mind if I do - particularly when someone tries to cast it as "just SDAs know about those bible texts".

Bob S · Nov 11, 2019

BobRyan said:
Thanks. I don't mind if I do - particularly when someone tries to cast it as "just SDAs know about those bible texts".

Everyone knows those texts exist. Most of us know that the rituals in them do not apply.

Are you afraid to comment on the remainder of my post?????? Is it because you can't regurgitate a cynical remark or maybe you are hoping that out of sight is out of your mind?

pasifika · Nov 11, 2019

BobRyan said:
Until you read it and get comfortable with exegesis.

22 “For just as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I make will endure before Me,” declares the Lord,
“So your offspring and your name will endure.
23 “And it shall be from new moon to new moon
And from Sabbath to Sabbath,
All mankind will come to bow down before Me,” says the Lord.
24 “Then they will go forth and look
On the corpses of the men
Who have transgressed against Me.
For their worm will not die
And their fire will not be quenched;
And they will be an abhorrence to all mankind.”

Is it your claim that the wicked will be "ashes under our feet" (or is it that you think we will be walking in fire???)

Mal 4:3 3 You will tread down the wicked, for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day which I am preparing,” says the Lord of hosts.

After the Rev 20 "lake of fire" event where all the wicked experience the "second death" on Earth - we see this..

Rev 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea. 2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be among them, 4 and He will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there will no longer be any death;

Which of course is not the topic of the thread - but from there they go on to live life where

22 “For just as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I make will endure before Me,” declares the Lord,
“So your offspring and your name will endure.
23 “And it shall be from new moon to new moon
And from Sabbath to Sabbath,
All mankind will come to bow down before Me,” says the Lord.

The point remains.

The Sabbath in those verses you quoted is missing the number 7 as the 7th day Sabbath...

pasifika · Nov 11, 2019

BobRyan said:
Being very careful in this thread not to mention or quote anyone so the thread is not deleted.

Some are interested in this teaching in the Bible about the 7th day Sabbath of the Ten Commandments being for all mankind. (as opposed to the Sabbath of the TEN Commandments being temporary or merely ceremonial).

1. When stating that the Bible Sabbath of the Ten Commandments is part of the moral law of God and is applicable to all mankind I am stating a Bible detail so obvious that all major Christian denominations agree - the TEN are part of the moral law of God written on the heart (see the "Baptist Confession of Faith" sectn 19 and the "Westminster Confession of Faith" section 19 and the Catholic Catechism on the TEN Commandments... etc)

2. Isaiah 56:6-8 specifically singles out gentiles for Sabbath keeping.

3. In the NT we see gentiles keeping Sabbath in Acts 13, 17 and 18

4. in Isaiah 66:23 for all eternity in the New Heavens and New Earth "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship".

If anyone feels this is not a valid thread topic or content for "Sabbath and the Law forum" - please contact me.

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Now lets review Bible details

Ex 20
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Genesis 2
Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. 2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

No wonder then that God says that for all eternity in the New Earth "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL mankind come before Me to worship" Is 66:23

-- cyclic time -- from Sabbath to Sabbath (one type of cycle) AND "from new moon to new moon" two different cycles.. so then most certainly not "daily"

In fact there is no text in all of scripture where "from Sabbath to Sabbath" means "every day" and we all know it

"From year to year" does not mean 'every day of the year' -- in any text in all of scripture
And "from Sabbath to Sabbath" does not mean every day of the year or every day of the week.

As we all know.

Example - feast of unleavened bread
Exodus 13:10
You shall therefore keep this ordinance in its season from year to year.

Judges 21:19
19 So they said, “Behold, there is a feast of the Lord from year to year in Shiloh, which is on the north side of Bethel, on the east side of the highway that goes up from Bethel to Shechem, and on the south side of Lebonah.

1 Sam 2:19
19 And his mother would make him a little robe and bring it to him from year to year when she would come up with her husband to offer the yearly sacrifice.

did not mean "every day of the year" as we all know.

Hello, I think the 7th day Sabbath is belong to the Lord...as is pointed to Christ as a sign of the Lord being a man...But the Sabbath (Not the 7th day) but called "today" is for All mankind...just as God created the heavens and the earth in six days and rested on the 7th day, so too is us (mankind ) works in believing in Him until we hear His voice then that is our sabbath....

BobRyan · Nov 11, 2019

pasifika said:
Hello, I think the 7th day Sabbath is belong to the Lord

That is true. "the seventh day IS The Sabbath of the LORD (YHWH) your God" Ex 20:10
for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth - "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worship" Is 66:23
Sanctified and made holy for mankind at Creation in Genesis 2:1-3 according to Exodus 20:11

pasifika said:
...as is pointed to Christ as a sign of the Lord being a man.

I don't know of any text that says that God made the Sabbath and gave it to Adam to remember that "Christ would become a man"

pasifika said:
..But the Sabbath (Not the 7th day) but called "today"

No Sabbath is called "Today" as in every day etc. in the Bible

There is no "first day is the Sabbath" for a weekly Sabbath in the Bible.
There is no "every day is the Sabbath" in the Bible.

Any time you see someone gathered on the Sabbath for worship/preaching/Bible study/prayer - it is always the 7th day Sabbath

BobRyan · Nov 11, 2019

2. Isaiah 56:6-8 specifically singles out gentiles for Sabbath keeping.
3. In the NT we see gentiles keeping Sabbath in Acts 13, 17 and 18
4. in Isaiah 66:23 for all eternity in the New Heavens and New Earth "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship".

Now lets review Bible details
Ex 20
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Genesis 2
Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. 2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

No wonder then that God says that for all eternity in the New Earth "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL mankind come before Me to worship" Is 66:23

-- cyclic time -- from Sabbath to Sabbath (one type of cycle) AND "from new moon to new moon" two different cycles.. so then most certainly not "daily"

In fact there is no text in all of scripture where "from Sabbath to Sabbath" means "every day" and we all know it

"From year to year" does not mean 'every day of the year' -- in any text in all of scripture
And "from Sabbath to Sabbath" does not mean every day of the year or every day of the week.

As we all know.

Example - feast of unleavened bread
Exodus 13:10
You shall therefore keep this ordinance in its season from year to year.

Judges 21:19
19 So they said, “Behold, there is a feast of the Lord from year to year in Shiloh, which is on the north side of Bethel, on the east side of the highway that goes up from Bethel to Shechem, and on the south side of Lebonah.

1 Sam 2:19
19 And his mother would make him a little robe and bring it to him from year to year when she would come up with her husband to offer the yearly sacrifice.

did not mean "every day of the year" as we all know.

Bob S said:
You can quote all the great men and their church affiliation teaches the Ten commandments all you want, t

Thanks. I don't mind if I do - particularly when someone tries to cast it as "just SDAs know about those bible texts".

Bob S said:
Everyone knows those texts exist.

That is a real milestone in our progress so far... thanks for admitting that.

Bob S said:
Most of us know that the rituals in them do not apply.

No animal ritual given in Ex 20:8-11 Sabbath commandment or in Genesis 2:1-3 or in Isaiah 66:23 or in Lev 23:2-3 other than corporate worship.

the point remains.

BobRyan · Nov 11, 2019

Bob S said:
In Isaiah 66 Sabbath worship and walking among the dead bodies is the plan for those who make it to heaven

Until you read it and get comfortable with exegesis.

22 “For just as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I make will endure before Me,” declares the Lord,
“So your offspring and your name will endure.
23 “And it shall be from new moon to new moon
And from Sabbath to Sabbath,
All mankind will come to bow down before Me,” says the Lord.
24 “Then they will go forth and look
On the corpses of the men
Who have transgressed against Me.
For their worm will not die
And their fire will not be quenched;
And they will be an abhorrence to all mankind.”

Is it your claim that the wicked will be "ashes under our feet" (or is it that you think we will be walking in fire???)

Mal 4:3 3 You will tread down the wicked, for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day which I am preparing,” says the Lord of hosts.

After the Rev 20 "lake of fire" event where all the wicked experience the "second death" on Earth - we see this..

Rev 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea. 2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be among them, 4 and He will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there will no longer be any death;

Which of course is not the topic of the thread - but from there they go on to live life where

22 “For just as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I make will endure before Me,” declares the Lord,
“So your offspring and your name will endure.
23 “And it shall be from new moon to new moon
And from Sabbath to Sabbath,
All mankind will come to bow down before Me,” says the Lord.

Ex 20:10 "the seventh day is the SABBATH of the LORD (YHWH) ...
Ex 20: "11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and made it holy."

Gen 2: 2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

The point remains.

pasifika said:
The Sabbath in those verses you quoted is missing the number 7 as the 7th day Sabbath...

Thanks for pointing that out...fixed.

Bob S · Nov 11, 2019

BobRyan said:
Until you read it and get comfortable with exegesis.

22 “For just as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I make will endure before Me,” declares the Lord,
“So your offspring and your name will endure.
23 “And it shall be from new moon to new moon
And from Sabbath to Sabbath,
All mankind will come to bow down before Me,” says the Lord.
24 “Then they will go forth and look
On the corpses of the men
Who have transgressed against Me.
For their worm will not die
And their fire will not be quenched;
And they will be an abhorrence to all mankind.”

Is it your claim that the wicked will be "ashes under our feet" (or is it that you think we will be walking in fire???)

I believe what scripture says until we read about the Earth made new in Is 65 where man will live to be over 100 and babies won't die at an early age, but those who do not live like God requires will die at an early age. This portrayal of going out and walking amongst dead bodies doesn't sound like something I would like to do plus the fact that instead of forgetting the past we would be remembering it every week. Think about that the next time you use Is 66 to try to convince us we have to observe the Sabbath. Until you are able to explain those verses in Is 65 I have to take your quote from Is 66 with a grain of salt.

Mal 4:3 3 You will tread down the wicked, for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day which I am preparing,” says the Lord of hosts.

After the Rev 20 "lake of fire" event where all the wicked experience the "second death" on Earth - we see this..

Rev 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea. 2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be among them, 4 and He will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there will no longer be any death;

That is certainly not what Isaiah wrote now is it.

Which of course is not the topic of the thread - but from there they go on to live life where

Yes, everyone else has to kowtow to you and gets a stern lecture, but since it is you doing it well I suppose you think very highly of yourself and are above us Babylonians.

You still will not answer my post. To keep you from having to go back and find it I am gladly going to repost it so that you have a chance to respond to your post #1.

"The scripture says the Sabbath was made for man not all mankind. Your statement is a misnomer to begin with.

Secondly, you also created a misnomer when you stated that we believe the ten commandments were merely ceremonial. Lets get this clear from here on out, your statements are false plus the fact that it was the Apostle Paul that wrote in 2Cor3:6-11 that the ten commandments were temporary. I and others merely quote the great apostle. Our confidence is with scripture, not with some churches teachings.

I have always clarified that nine of the ten commandments are dealing with morality and laws dealing with morality are forever and are part of the new covenant Royal Law of Love. The remaining commandment was a ritual command just like all the other ritual commands found in the Sinai covenant."

BobRyan · Nov 11, 2019

Bob S said:
I believe what scripture says

I believe what the scripture says.. says really.

BobRyan · Nov 11, 2019

22 “For just as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I make will endure before Me,” declares the Lord,
“So your offspring and your name will endure.
23 “And it shall be from new moon to new moon
And from Sabbath to Sabbath,
All mankind will come to bow down before Me,” says the Lord.

Bob S said:
Think about that the next time you use Is 66 to try to convince us we have to observe the Sabbath. Until you are able to explain those verses in Is 65 I have to take your quote from Is 66 with a grain of salt.

It's called exegesis -- give it a try someday.

While you are at it.

Isaiah 9
The people who walk in darkness
Will see a great light;
Those who live in a dark land,
The light will shine on them.
3 You shall multiply the nation,
You shall increase their gladness;
They will be glad in Your presence
As with the gladness of harvest,
As men rejoice when they divide the spoil.
4 For You shall break the yoke of their burden and the staff on their shoulders,
The rod of their oppressor, as at the battle of Midian.
5 For every boot of the booted warrior in the battle tumult,
And cloak rolled in blood, will be for burning, fuel for the fire.
6 For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us;
And the government will rest on His shoulders;
And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.
7 There will be no end to the increase of His government or of peace,
On the throne of David and over his kingdom,
To establish it and to uphold it with justice and righteousness
From then on and forevermore.
The zeal of the Lord of hosts will accomplish this.

Zech 9
8 But I will camp around My house because of an army,
Because of him who passes by and returns;
And no oppressor will pass over them anymore,
For now I have seen with My eyes.
9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion!
Shout in triumph, O daughter of Jerusalem!
Behold, your king is coming to you;
He is just and endowed with salvation,
Humble, and mounted on a donkey,
Even on a colt, the foal of a donkey.
10 I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim
And the horse from Jerusalem;
And the bow of war will be cut off.
And He will speak peace to the nations;
And His dominion will be from sea to sea,
And from the River to the ends of the earth.

Those who say "I refuse to believe this scripture until someone comes along to explain some other scripture" are making a choice of their own free will. The real solution is "good Bible study, exegesis, paying attention to details" but that is the sort of bible study not everyone is happy to take the time to do.

BobRyan · Nov 11, 2019

Is 66
22 “For just as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I make will endure before Me,” declares the Lord,
“So your offspring and your name will endure.
23 “And it shall be from new moon to new moon
And from Sabbath to Sabbath,
All mankind will come to bow down before Me,” says the Lord.

Bob S said:
"The scripture says the Sabbath was made for man not all mankind.

More reading please.

Mark 2:27 "the Sabbath was MADE for mankind and not mankind MADE for the Sabbath"
This references both the making of mankind, and the making of the Sabbath. We find that BOTH are made in creation week according to Genesis 1-2.

The point remains.

BobRyan · Nov 11, 2019

Bob S said:
I have always clarified that nine of the ten commandments are dealing with morality and laws dealing with morality are forever and are part of the new covenant Royal Law of Love. The remaining commandment was a ritual "

You have speculated that but the Bible does not support such speculation as James reminds us and the best scholarship in all Christian denominations also does not support that idea.

Thankfully.

pasifika · Nov 11, 2019

BobRyan said:
That is true. "the seventh day IS The Sabbath of the LORD (YHWH) your God" Ex 20:10
for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth - "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worship" Is 66:23
Sanctified and made holy for mankind at Creation in Genesis 2:1-3 according to Exodus 20:11

I don't know of any text that says that God made the Sabbath and gave it to Adam to remember that "Christ would become a man"

No Sabbath is called "Today" as in every day etc. in the Bible

There is no "first day is the Sabbath" for a weekly Sabbath in the Bible.
There is no "every day is the Sabbath" in the Bible.

Any time you see someone gathered on the Sabbath for worship/preaching/Bible study/prayer - it is always the 7th day Sabbath

Hello, the Sabbath in Isaiah 66:23 is Not refer to the 7th day Sabbath but Sabbath on an appointed time...

Sabbath means rest after completing a work, whatever works we have given by God to do, so after finishing the work we have been given then we rest, and the day we rest is called sabbath day... meaning a day of rest after finishing the work given by God.....

We, aso Christians must know the work we have given to do by God, therefore after we finished doing His work then we rest, and that day is our sabbath day...that day is called "today"- the day you hear His voice...

The Israelites were given the Lord's Sabbath Days this included the 7th day Sabbath...the Lord gave the Israelites His appointed festival with it Sabbath days..Leviticus 23...

The Sabbath (7th day)-weekly basis...
The Passover and the Festival of Unleavened bread. The festival is for 7days and the Sabbath day for this festival is on the first and the seventh day of the festival.
Offering the Firstfruits festival. The Sabbath day for this festival is on the day after the 7th day Sabbath.
Festival of weeks- the sabbath day for this festival is the day after the seventh Sabbath from the day of the offering of the Firstfruits.
Festival of trumpets- the Sabbath rest is on the first day of the seventh months.
The day of Atonement - Sabbath day for this festival will be on the tenth day of the seventh month
Festival of the Tarbernacles ( from the fifteenth day of the seventh month for seven days)- Sabbath rest will be on the fifteenth day and the eighth day after that.

These are All Sabbath days that belong to the Lord...
So, all these appointed festival and their Sabbath rest are All pointed to God..
From being a God whom the world have been created to become a man to offer as sacrifice and to become a God again as one of us (mankind)...you can see that in those 7 appointed festivals and Sabbath days...

BobRyan · Nov 11, 2019

pasifika said:
Hello, the Sabbath in Isaiah 66:23 is Not refer to the 7th day Sabbath but Sabbath on an appointed time...

The weekly Sabbath is the 7th day Sabbath "an appointed time" according to Lev 23
‘The Lord’s appointed times which you shall proclaim as holy convocations—My appointed times are these:
3 ‘For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a sabbath of complete rest, a holy convocation. You shall not do any work; it is a sabbath to the Lord in all your dwellings.

The weekly 7th day Sabbath is an appointed time for rest and "holy convocation".

And so also the 7th day Sabbath for all mankind for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth.

BobRyan said:
Is 66:23 And from Sabbath to Sabbath, All mankind will come to bow down before Me,” says the Lord.

BobRyan · Nov 11, 2019

pasifika said:
So, all these appointed festival and their Sabbath rest are All pointed to God..

"pointed" to God?

"Do not take God's name in vain" ... "points to God"

what is your point??

The Sabbath of the TEN Commandments - for all mankind (V2)

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