'Good riddance': New York governor cheers Trump changing residency to Florida

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(snip)In essence, you are guilty of everything you have accused me of doing since you could not initially justify the wickedness of New York's leadership whose policies have been anything but biblical or Christ-like.
...the thread isn't about "the wickedness of New York's leadership". It's about President Trump moving his residency to Florida and the Governor of New York's response. You then brought up how if "Bible-believing Christians and conservatives" left Gods presence would be gone. I pointed out that you seemed to be over estimating the importance of those two groups to judging how much of Gods presence is in a place. And a little later on you brought up abortion in a thread not about abortion. :wave:
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...the thread isn't about "the wickedness of New York's leadership". It's about President Trump moving his residency to Florida and the Governor of New York's response. You then brought up how if "Bible-believing Christians and conservatives" left Gods presence would be gone. I pointed out that you seemed to be over estimating the importance of those two groups to judging how much of Gods presence is in a place. And a little later on you brought up abortion in a thread not about abortion. :wave:
tulc(is guilty of many things, but he's not the one who did that) :sorry:


You are still guilty of everything you accused me of doing in your own way. You may not have been the one to mention abortion, but you did set who set the precedent for that by also bringing up things that were not the focus of this thread for reasons you accused me of when I mentioned abortion. But I only brought that into the equation to show that Trump's character flaws and the things he has done throughout his life are nothing in comparison to the unconscionable systematic slaughter of innocent children committed by the governor of New York.

And when I came across this thread, I simply mentioned what it brought to mind: The fact that Andrew Cuomo hates conservatives and if he hates conservatives, he hates Christians who stand upon the authority of scripture in all matters and who apply the scriptures to everything we do. And if conservatives are not welcome in New York, then neither are Bible-believing Christians.

I am not saying that every professing conservative is necessarily a Christian, but many of the tenets associated with conservatism are founded in Christian principles taught by scripture. There is a reason why conservatism has more in common with biblical teachings than progressive ideology.

And the fact that the people of New York persist in retaining their current leadership only suggests that they want nothing to do with the Gospel and if that is the case, unless there is a change of heart and mind, God will eventually withdraw Himself from that place that has constantly rejected Him and in doing so, He will remove His people from that place as well.

And when a people reject the Gospel for so long, then have nothing to look forward to except a fearful and terrifying judgment by which they could be destroyed except that they cry out for mercy?

And if God calls Christians out from a place that has rejected the Gospel, what other witness would that people continue to have?

Creation? They are blinded to the witness of creation which points us to our Maker.
The conscience? It is all too easily ignored and even silenced.
The heart? It is corrupted by sin.
The Law? By nature man has no interest in obeying it.
The spirit inside man? It is dead except that it be awakened by the Holy Spirit.

There is a reason why people have been the primary vessel that God has used to spread His message, because it is through His servants that the work of spreading the Gospel is done most effectively. He could use angels to spread the good news if He wanted, but instead, He has chosen to more often use any willing man.
 
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You are still guilty of everything you accused me of doing in your own way.
Well, what can I say, I'm a sinner and because of that I do tend to, you know, sin. :)


You may not have been the one to mention abortion, but you did set who set the precedent for that by also bringing up things that were not the focus of this thread for reasons you accused me of when I mentioned abortion.
uhmmm...if you look back over the thread, I'm not the one who was "bringing up things that were not the focus of this thread" that would, again, be you. I was the pointing out things you posted. :wave:

I see you're still trying to A) make a thread not about abortion about abortion. and B) also still unable to support your belief about why people are (or aren't) leaving New York. Also in a thread not about people leaving (or not) New York. :sorry:


There is a reason why people have been the primary vessel that God has used to spread His message, because it is through His servants that the work of spreading the Gospel is done most effectively. He could use angels to spread the good news if He wanted, but instead, He has chosen to more often use any willing man.
I'm pretty sure that reason wasn't because they were conservatives. ;)
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Well, what can I say, I'm a sinner and because of that I do tend to, you know, sin. :)


So you admit that you deviated from the topic of this thread by bringing up an incident that did not initially have anything to do with the topic?


uhmmm...if you look back over the thread, I'm not the one who was "bringing up things that were not the focus of this thread" that would, again, be you. I was the pointing out things you posted. :wave:


You did when you tried to turn the focus of the discussion towards when Trump allegedly made fun a disabled reporter, and again, I only brought up abortion to show that what Trump did was mere child's play in comparison to what Cuomo has done.


I see you're still trying to A) make a thread not about abortion about abortion. and B) also still unable to support your belief about why people are (or aren't) leaving New York. Also in a thread not about people leaving (or not) New York. :sorry:


You were the first to divert from the thread topic and have once again misrepresented what the topic of this thread brought to mind for me: That a day is coming when Christians may very well be forced to leave certain parts of the nation for another part of the country that is still friendly towards them and what that would be mean for the cities, people, and states who have hardened themselves towards so much that they may resort to intense persecution of Christians in order to drive them out of their midst.


I'm pretty sure that reason wasn't because they were conservatives. ;)
tulc(thinks Contenders Edge must be getting pretty tired from hauling those goal posts around by now) :eek:


I never said being conservative was the reason. I said that men willing to be used of God end up being used of God to His glory and when someone does stray from the thread topic, it does take a lot of work to steer the discussion back to the topic at hand.
 
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So you admit that you deviated from the topic of this thread by bringing up an incident that did not initially have anything to do with the topic?
Nope, I responded to something off topic you brought up. I said I was a sinner and therefore I do tend to sin. :wave:

You did when you tried to turn the focus of the discussion towards when Trump allegedly made fun a disabled reporter, and again, I only brought up abortion to show that what Trump did was mere child's play in comparison to what Cuomo has done.
...you mean when I responded to something off topic you said? :scratch:



You were the first to divert from the thread topic
Nope, that would again be you in post #7. the thread was about President Trump leaving and the Governors response, you decided the thread should (apparently) instead be about Bible believing Christians and conservatives leaving New York. That was the point of your very first post in this thread:
#7 said:
If every Bible-believing Christian and conservative were to leave New York, the antichrist leftists would finally get to see what it is like to live in a place without the light of Christ and without God. He will finally grant the world its wish someday, but they will not be nearly as glad to see us gone as we will be to leave. (snip)
If you could point out where: "bible believing Christian, conservative, anti-Christ
leftists, light of Christ and the Bible" were all brought up in the OP I'd be interested in seeing them, because I can't seem to find any of those things in there? :wave:
tulc(doesn't remember abortion being in the OP either) :sorry:
 
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Nope, I responded to something off topic you brought up. I said I was a sinner and therefore I do tend to sin. :wave


The thread got off topic at post number 44


...you mean when I responded to something off topic you said? :scratch:


It was post 44 that went off-topic


Nope, that would again be you in post #7. the thread was about President Trump leaving and the Governors response, you decided the thread should (apparently) instead be about Bible believing Christians and conservatives leaving New York. That was the point of your very first post in this thread:


And why would Cuomo rejoice over Trump leaving New York? Because of what Trump has come to represent: Capitalism, preservation of individual God-given liberties including the freedom of speech and religion, a secure and protected nation, the sanctity of life, and regard for the historic and scriptural claims that the Jewish people have to the promised-land and in doing so, Trump has blessed Abraham and will in turn be blessed himself in ways from which our nation may also benefit.

Cuomo is against all of those virtues and principles that Trump has become associated with and even if for the sake of argument Trump has not yet come to a saving faith in Christ, if Cuomo is going to be elated at the departure of Trump from his state, how much more so would he and his constituents be if every sincere Bible-believing Christian were to leave New York?


If you could point out where: "bible believing Christian, conservative, anti-Christ
leftists, light of Christ and the Bible" were all brought up in the OP I'd be interested in seeing them, because I can't seem to find any of those things in there? :wave:
tulc(doesn't remember abortion being in the OP either) :sorry:


An anti-Christ leftist rejoices at the departure of someone he perceives as representing conservative values. By his standards, a Bible-believing Christian is counted as a conservative and therefore he hates both. That he would celebrate the departure of one whom he might perceive to be a Christian or conservative tell us just how much he hates both.

If he celebrates the departure of Trump whom he perceives to be a conservative and aligned with Christianity, what are the implications for all the Christians living in a state that hates them? Therefore, all that you just said does not apply to this thread does apply to this thread because that Andrew Cuomo would celebrate the departure of Trump tells us a lot about his attitude not only towards conservatives but genuine Christians as well.

Those who hate Trump are not just hating a man. They hate what he has come to represent because they have always hated the things to which Trump has appealed and campaigned on.
 
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So...the above would be you saying you also couldn't find any of the things you brought up in your very first post in this thread any where in the OP either? You could have just said that and saved yourself a lot of typing. I'd think the easiest solution would be you simply start a thread somewhere about the things you would like to discuss and discuss them there. :wave:
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So...the above would be you saying you also couldn't find any of the things you brought up in your very first post in this thread any where in the OP either? You could have just said that and saved yourself a lot of typing. I'd think the easiest solution would be you simply start a thread somewhere about the things you would like to discuss and discuss them there. :wave:
tulc(in the proper forums of course) :oldthumbsup::


There wasn't anything about Trump making fun a disabled person in the OP either and yet you brought that up. There are a lot of things other participants have mentioned that were not originally mentioned in the OP either that were brought up an yet I am the only one you call out for mentioning things you say don't apply to this thread even though I haven't done anything any differently than the rest of the participants. Like them, I've only expressed my thoughts on what the news of Trump leaving New York means concerning Andrew Cuomo's attitude towards Christians and conservatives and what it brings to mind just like everyone else.

It is as if you are expecting me to work within a different set of standards than everyone else, plus in mentioning an incident where Trump made fun of someone, you're violating the very standards you accuse me of violating.

You started a thread about why Trump is moving to Florida which has brought in to discussion the character of both Trump and Andrew Cuomo and one aspect that naturally has been applied to this thread is Cuomo's attitude towards Christians: He hates them. And because he perceives Trump as being at least sympathetic towards Christians, Cuomo is glad that Trump is leaving.

It also begs the question as to what the fate of New York would be if every Christian were to leave the state: The same as that of any other place from which Christians are made to withdraw themselves.
 
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There wasn't anything about
So, again, you also couldn't find any of the things you brought up in your first post in the OP? :scratch:

Trump making fun a disabled person in the OP either and yet you brought that up.
Could you point out where Governor Cuomo's chatterer was brought up in the OP? I ask because that came up because you decided that was what the thread should be about. I just pointed out that someone who supports President Trump really has no room to look down on anyone else's character. You then decided (apparently) that this would be an excellent time to ring the abortion bell...probably because once people start discussing character even President Trump's most ardent supporters know they've already lost that battle. :wave:


(snip) It also begs the question as to what the fate of New York would be if every Christian were to leave the state: (snip)
Oh look...you've moved the goal post again, originally it was "Bible-believing Christians" now it appears to be "every Christian". Could you point out in the OP where any Christian at all was brought up? :scratch:
tulc(wonders why, if Contenders Edge has no interest in the OP he hasn't started a thread about the things he'd like to discuss instead?) :sorry
 
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So, again, you also couldn't find any of the things you brought up in your first post in the OP? :scratch:


Strange that you are not issuing that same challenge to any other participant on this thread. We've all been expressing what Trump leaving New York means in the big scheme of things and what it says about the kind of man Andrew Cuomo is.



Could you point out where Governor Cuomo's chatterer was brought up in the OP? I ask because that came up because you decided that was what the thread should be about. I just pointed out that someone who supports President Trump really has no room to look down on anyone else's character. You then decided (apparently) that this would be an excellent time to ring the abortion bell...probably because once people start discussing character even President Trump's most ardent supporters know they've already lost that battle. :wave:


I was not the one who initially brought up the character of Andrew Cuomo. I was simply responding to a post in which that was initially brought up. (Post 41) I only brought up abortion to point out that you have no business quibbling about the speck in the eye of one man when there is a beam in the eye of the man governing New York who rejoices that the man with the speck in his eye is departing from there and ridiculing someone is a speck in the eye in comparison to killing babies which is beam in the eye.

And those who are going to side with a man who kills babies have no business looking down upon a man who merely acts like a condescending baffoon at times since the ones who support the killing of babies are committing a wrong immensely worse.

And yet you insist on wrongfully accusing me of straying from the topic of this thread.



Oh look...you've moved the goal post again, originally it was "Bible-believing Christians" now it appears to be "every Christian". Could you point out in the OP where any Christian at all was brought up? :scratch:
tulc(wonders why, if Contenders Edge has no interest in the OP he hasn't started a thread about the things he'd like to discuss instead?) :sorry


No I didn't move the goal posts. You're straining at gnats while swallowing camels. You just can't stand the fact that Andrew Cuomo's rejoicing over Trump's departure whom he has perceived to represent conservative values and aligned with Christians who stand upon the authority of scripture says something about his attitude towards conservatives, but even more importantly, Christians and so you resort to applying a standard to me you will not apply to anyone else.
 
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Strange that you are not issuing that same challenge to any other participant on this thread. We've all been expressing what Trump leaving New York means in the big scheme of things and what it says about the kind of man Andrew Cuomo is.
No...actually it seems no one started talking about the Governors character until you tried to make it about that. Which is (generally) not a good place to go if someone is trying to defend President Trump. :sorry:


(snip) And yet you insist on wrongfully accusing me of straying from the topic of this thread.
Well...to be fair I can't actually find any of your posts that address the OP, it seems to have simply been an excuse you use to repeatedly post things that you want to talk about instead, all while not starting threads of your own to discuss them in. Not sure why, but there it is. :)






No I didn't move the goal posts. (snip)
Sorry, to contradict you but, yes, you clearly did. In fact, you seem to be trying to move it pretty much with every post. It must be exhausting carrying those things around all the time. :eek:
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No...actually it seems no one started talking about the Governors character until you tried to make it about that. Which is (generally) not a good place to go if someone is trying to defend President Trump. :sorry:


I am not the one that first made mention of Andrew Cuomo specifically. That was mentioned by the participant who wrote post 27 and I am not really sure how he feels about you giving me credit for things he has said but I know if I were that person, I would not be too happy about that and would immediately set the record straight.


Well...to be fair I can't actually find any of your posts that address the OP, it seems to have simply been an excuse you use to repeatedly post things that you want to talk about instead, all while not starting threads of your own to discuss them in. Not sure why, but there it is. :)


I was expressing how the OP might apply to the bigger picture that affects not just Trump, but Bible-believing Christians in general as well as for any place or people that reject the Gospel to the point that Christians have no choice but to move on to another place with people more receptive of the Gospel message. That the people retain a Governor who has shown clear hostility towards Christianity shows that New York is going down that path of becoming a place where the Gospel message may no longer be wanted or even tolerated.


Sorry, to contradict you but, yes, you clearly did. In fact, you seem to be trying to move it pretty much with every post. It must be exhausting carrying those things around all the time. :eek:
tulc(hopes Contenders Edge is sufficiently caffeinated) :coffee:


It must be very stressing to strain for Tulc to strain out so many gnats while being oblivious to the camels he is swallowing.
 
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'Good riddance': New York governor cheers Trump changing residency to Florida

70+ years old, spends his day watching tv, playing golf and yelling about people picking on/not listening to him? Oh yeah, he's been a "Florida guy" for a while now... :sorry:
tulc(thought this was interesting) :wave:

(Shrugs) I find the whole thing rather petty myself.

In an interview with MSNBC Friday, Cuomo said Trump won't be missed. "To be a real New Yorker, you have to be inclusive. We don't tolerate divisiveness," he said.

No doubt he got political points with his statement, and that regarding the taxes. Claiming people aren't real New Yorker's if they disagree with him? lol not so inclusive, but that's neither here nor there. People say things that sound good, but don't mean anything today to often. Most people know its about political points anyway.

Trump can be childish, but so is this. Kids always say, but they started it!! Sadly, that's popular in politics today too.

NY will still gain income from the Trump properties in payroll taxes, sales taxes, etc. If Cuomo really was true to his word? He would be forwarding those checks to FL, and we all know that ain't going happen. Heck, even if you took away the legal maneuvers and red tape it wouldn't.

I swear I don't know which side is worse. They both miss the high moral ground by so far it's hard to judge.
 
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(snip) It must be very stressing to strain for Tulc (snip)
Small point here: unless you're using my screen name at the beginning of a sentence my name is always spelled "tulc" lower case "t" not Tulc upper case "T". :wave:
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Small point here: unless you're using my screen name at the beginning of a sentence my name is always spelled "tulc" lower case "t" not Tulc upper case "T". :wave:
tulc(just thought that should be pointed out) :)


I will be sure to remember that next time.
 
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Thank you, I appreciate that! :oldthumbsup:
tulc(always appreciates when people who disagree about things can still be kind/polite to each other) :clap:


To that I will raise my glass to.
 
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