I really am surprised you don't know this.
(or is this just satire, or rhetorical questions? )
I'm asking Brinny's opinion, since he's making a point of "innocent blood."
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I really am surprised you don't know this.
(or is this just satire, or rhetorical questions? )
I was referring more to the fact or potential that weak Christians might be persuaded to join the military, without even realizing what they might be or would be told to do. (like some thought they would get a job in a hospital, and just get to fix people up - never have to face the enemy).
See post #89 in reference to the post i was responding to.
My point is, is it a sin to for instance be a police officer (or a soldier) etc? The question regarding "innocent blood" is referring to the "shedding of blood" without cause, thus "innocent blood" such as Abel's blood that cried out to God after his brother Cain slew him. The question is, did Cain shed innocent blood?
brinny said: ↑
See post #89 in reference to the post i was responding to.
My point is, is it a sin to for instance be a police officer (or a soldier) etc? The question regarding "innocent blood" is referring to the "shedding of blood" without cause, thus "innocent blood" such as Abel's blood that cried out to God after his brother Cain slew him. The question is, did Cain shed innocent blood?
If someone (anyone) is murdered "without cause", their blood is "innocent" in that instance.This is partly right briny...
also note the Scripture says "innocent" blood, not someone pagan, heathen, etc .....
Those in the Apocalypse (Revelation) who are reported to ask for the ALMIGHTY to execute HIS VENGEANCE , are innocent ones, believers, martyred for their faith.
Perhaps, maybe no worries per se,If someone (anyone) is murdered "without cause", their blood is "innocent" in that instance.
In other words they were murdered "in cold blood". This is abominable to God.
NO ONE "deserves" to be murdered "in cold blood", even if they ARE Pagan, etc.
It's an abomination to God to do such a thing.
brinny said: ↑
If someone (anyone) is murdered "without cause", their blood is "innocent" in that instance.
In other words they were murdered "in cold blood". This is abominable to God.
NO ONE "deserves" to be murdered "in cold blood", even if they ARE Pagan, etc.
It's an abomination to God to do such a thing.
i'm referring to what is written all throughout God's Word.Perhaps, maybe no worries per se,
but that is most likely not what Yahuweh means by innocent blood in the Apocalypse, and I thought the question was first brought up about the Scriptural meaning.
If you had your time over again would you have taken an active role in the military?
That question is simple, no. Neither Jesus nor Yochanan the immerser told the soldiers to stop being soldiers , not all the time any way. But their lives were totally changed if they were immersed.i'm referring to what is written all throughout God's Word.
Regarding "soldiers", one has to ask oneself, bottom line, if it is a "sin" to be a "soldier"?
It is GOD Who makes that judgement, not "man".That question is simple, no. Neither Jesus nor Yochanan the immerser told the soldiers to stop being soldiers , not all the time any way. But their lives were totally changed if they were immersed.
All throughout Yahuweh's Word (God's Word), innocent blood does not refer to the heathen nations (gentiles in the OT) , or that is their blood was not usually, if ever , called innocent blood. Quite the contrary - they were often to be wiped out.
Man often makes judgments. Usually opposed to God.It is GOD Who makes that judgement, not "man".
I thought you just said it is God's Judgment to make ? Not mine nor yours ?To take the life of ANYONE (Pagan, etc. or not) IS murdering in "cold blood". It's NOT "our" call to make. It's the shedding of "innocent blood".
Are you chopping up my post (#110 )?I thought you just said it is God's Judgment to make ? Not mine nor yours ?
This description you give does not match what God says all through the Old Testament, and maybe parts of the New Testament as well.
No I'm not chopping up your post. If I missed something when I read it, I'm sorry. Point it out clearly.Are you chopping up my post (#110 )?
Read the entire post. It covers ALL of what you are asking.
This is an entirely different question. Usually no. Most people do not have the discipline to resist doing evil in the military. Instead of salt, they turn worldly, rather easily.
Hmmm.. Jesus commended the Centurian for his faith. He didn't condemn him for being a soldier. The first gentile Christian we know of was a centurion. And you seem to be forgetting that Jesus was God when God ordered people to go to war in the OT.
The cause of peace is a noble goal, but I would ask you seriously: Do Christians cease to be Christians when they become soldiers? Because there are 2,000 years give or take of evidence to the contrary, St. George, St. Theodore El Shatby, the entire Theban Legion, St. Philopateer Mercurios, etc. all bearing witness.
The cause of peace is a noble goal, but I would ask you seriously: Do Christians cease to be Christians when they become soldiers? Because there are 2,000 years give or take of evidence to the contrary, St. George, St. Theodore El Shatby, the entire Theban Legion, St. Philopateer Mercurios, etc. all bearing witness.
God doesn't change. And he doesn't throw people out for any sin but unbelief.And, you seem to be forgetting that the O.T. has been overridden by the rewriting of the last will and testament. Hebrews 9:16-17 "In the case of a will, it is necessary to prove the death of the one who made it, because a will is in force only when somebody has died; it never takes effect while the one who made it is living." The Old (last will and) Testament was rewritten by the Testator, i.e. Jesus, then the Testator died. The O.T. that you and others love to quote to justify killing their enemies will get you thrown out of court if you try and use it on that fateful day when you stand before the Great Judge.