Where do unborn infants go according to Orthodoxy?

ArmyMatt said:

because this is the Orthodox forum. it's not Scripture we disagree with, but interpretation of that Scripture. it's not THAT you said we should search the Scriptures, it's HOW you said it.

and I didn't call you names. saying how you came across is not the same as saying what you are.

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smithed64 said:

Interpretation the Scripture is quite easy really.

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AMM said:

The Ethiopian eunuch would disagree, wouldn’t he?

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smithed64 said:

He was Confident in God and what God had promised Him. He knew He would be with God when His time came to leave this Ol wicked world.

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smithed64 said:

Okay, you didn't call me that. I apologize if I thought so, or brought you to the wrong conclusion that is how i was being. Has nothing to do with me.

Interpretation the Scripture is quite easy really. Take it as it is said.

Using context, reading before and after the subject that your studying. Trust that God will show you the principles of the word that you can apply to your life. But context is the big key here. Many take a whole lot of scripture and take it out of context. Or even worse, take one verse and make a whole belief system out of it.

For one, no where in the bible does it dictate on what happens to the soul of a child after death, except two scriptures.

One I showed where David says he will meet his child after he dies. And the one we all know.

It is appointed for all men to die, then Christ.

What God does with a child who not knowingly nor ever sinned, by deed. Which is how we will be judged. By our deeds. No one really knows for absolute certain.

My confidence is in God's Word. I'm I absolutely certain of how God judges an Infant or child who has not sinned directly? No. I'd be lying if i said that. But God's word is inerrant, the absolute Truth, so my faith lays within it. It is his word, not mine. His thoughts, which we will never know the fullness of, His feelings, which we will never know the depth of, and His righteousness, which right now our's is as a filthy rag. His Mercy is great and never waving.

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ArmyMatt said:

if your goal was to look smug and ignorant of us on here, then I dare say you met your goal. Christ was never sarcastic for it's own sake.

it doesn't really contribute when you tell a large group of people to pick up and read a book they are already reading, as if they aren't reading it.

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AMM said:

The Ethiopian eunuch would disagree, wouldn’t he?

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prodromos said:

Your reply is very short on quotes from that book you told us to read. All you've given here is the opinion of smithed64.

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ArmyMatt said:

the problem is that everyone who says take the Bible as it is, all have different interpretations. so either the Spirit is leading people to say contradictory things, or it's not that simple.

and no worries, we're good.

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smithed64 said:

The spirit can't do that.

Truth is non-contradictory. It can't be both A and B and the same time in the same instance.

1. God is the absolute truth.
2. The Holy Spirit is God.
3. Therefore the Holy Spirit is also the truth.

So, sorry my friend, if someone misinterprets the Word, to take away from God or people the Gospel. That is not of the Spirit of God. Now it's a Spirit alright, a spirit of divisiveness, hatred and confusion.

I do agree with the first part of what you said thou, those "who says take the Bible as it is" your correct there, they say it, but don't do it.

That is not God.

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smithed64 said:

First, I never said anyone was in error.
Second, the only standard is God's standard. Through His Word.

How can anyone speak about God, His standards, His righteousness, His Laws, His Will whether it be Supreme or permissible and not use His Words to understand all that He is? That's my question. Not that everyone is doing that. But, If I want to know How or what God would do. I go to His Word, He will show us through that. If I want to know what man would do, I go to man. Usually when it comes to those things of God, man tends to get things mixed up a bit, because of their worldview and all that. Some, not all , but some make things much more difficult than it is.

When it's really quite simple, Realize you've sinned, Repent, Trust in Jesus alone, by faith alone and by grace alone. Read His word, Pray, Keep his commands, Worship Him, and spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

But as i'm sure you'll agree. The world, doesn't like that. The enemy doesn't like that. And many times we fall down, but the best thing to do is fall down to our knees, Remember that God is always with us.
Through the good times and the bad.

Love in Christ.
Great conversation brother.

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TheLostCoin said:

Further, on the Council of Carthage, St. Nicodemus of the Holy Mountain, in the Rudder, has this comment to say on this specific canon:

"This view too was a product of the heretical insanity of the Pelagians this refers to their saying that newly begotten infants are not baptized for the remission of sins, as the Orthodox Church believes and maintains, but, instead, if anyone say that they are baptized for the remission of sins, yet the infants themselves have not incurred any taint from the original (or primordial) sin of Adam, such as to require to be removed by means of baptism (since, as we have said, those men believed that this original sin is not begotten with the human being, simply because this was not any offense of nature, but a mischoice of the free and independent will). So the Council in the present Canon anathematizes the heretics who say this: First, because the form of the baptism for the remission of sins which is given to infants is not true according to them, but false and factitious, since, according to them, those infants have no sins to be pardoned, Secondly, because the Apostle in what he says makes it plain that sin entered the world through a single human being, namely, Adam, and that death entered through sin, and thus death passed into all human beings, since all of them have sinned just like Adam. This passage, I say, cannot be taken to mean anything else than what the catholic Church of the Orthodox has understood and believed it to mean, to wit, that even the newborn infants, notwithstanding the fact that they have not sinned by reason of any exercise of their own free and independent will, have nevertheless entailed upon themselves the original sin from Adam; wherefore they need to be purified through baptism necessarily from that sin: hence they are truly, and not fictitiously. being baptized for the remission of sins."

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David Neos said:

What about my point of the idea of Limbo in Orthodoxy?

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ArmyMatt said:

but a lot of people have to be. Calvinists and Arminians both read the Scriptures, both claim they are reading it as it is, both claim they are listening to the Holy Spirit, and both absolutely disagree when it comes to man's freedom.

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charsan said:

Agree it is not enough to just say one follows the Bible alone, the Bible was not meant for that.

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