Can God reverse time?

Kaon · Nov 9, 2019

Apex said:
Please define "nothing". You just noted that even a vacuum is still "something". Also, please explain how "nothing" can exist. That seems like a contradiction of terms.

Nothing is an actual void. A vacuum is an infinitesimal void - there is still "stuff" in the vacuum even on the fractal dimension.

This simply doesn't make philosophical sense. Do you not believe that life comes from God? Why posit that something came from nothing?

Because entities with massive amounts of energy resivoirs cannot replicate or reproduce real life - which can only come from the Father. Anything else is an imitation of Life. Our existence is not life; we are dead.

This sounds like the same issue secular physicists have concerning the Big Bang. Something can only come from something else.

Not if you are everything - truly nothing and truly everything. Humans think of "nothing" as "zero", when "zero" is just an empty set. But the empty set is still a subset of the space it is in - it isn't actually "nothing", it is "something," specifically something unique that can interact with other elements that have non-trivial value (in this case, in complex space):

1+0=1
1*0=0
i+0=i
1-1=0
i-i=0

In the latter cases, we see "zero" is a consequence of something operating on something else.

What we humans think of as "nothing" is actually something. But, real "nothing" - a void - comes from the Most High God, because Creation itself only contains relative nothingness by definition.

It sounds like a paradox of the Most High God, but it is really a simplistic part of His nature: an infinitely generating faucet of infinite divergent energy, and an infinitely generating sink of infinite vortex energy. One very small part of His nature.

No "created" entity can perceive or make a true void/nothing, because it is outside of our [sub]set. One who is the Arbiter of everything has the authority to perceive and create true nothing.

But, the colloquial nothing is just that - which is why I put it in quotes.

Carl Emerson · Nov 9, 2019

OK I think I see where the issue is...

There are seperate realms occupying the same space like for example the Jesus drove the demons into the pigs. So there is a fallen created spiritual realm and a fallen created physical realm.

Where God dwells however is in an eternal realm independent of creation that has no bounds or time.

All I am trying to say is that there can be nothing created in the physical realm but God can speak it into being. This happened at creation and He still intervenes in this way today and did at resurrection time.

I don't buy into the idea that God can only make things from what is already created.

Scripture clearly says that God creates something out of nothing and I not only believe this but consider it central to faith. The 'nothing' in this case refers not just an absence of matter but also an absence of life.

Apex · Nov 10, 2019

Kaon said:
Nothing is an actual void. A vacuum is an infinitesimal void - there is still "stuff" in the vacuum even on the fractal dimension.

That is not nothing. A vacuum with "stuff" is something.

Apex · Nov 10, 2019

Carl Emerson said:
I don't buy into the idea that God can only make things from what is already created.

I am not saying God can only create from what is "already created". God is uncreated. I am saying God creates from out of Himself.

Nothing else exists from which he could create out of. The idea of "utter nothingness" only exists in our language, not in reality. God is the all-encompassing and everlasting universal "something".

Lost4words · Nov 10, 2019

I wish God would reverse time. Only for a day so that i can remember where i buried that juicy bone i had!!

Carl Emerson · Nov 10, 2019

Apex said:
I am not saying God can only create from what is "already created". God is uncreated. I am saying God creates from out of Himself.

Nothing else exists from which he could create out of. The idea of "utter nothingness" only exists in our language, not in reality. God is the all-encompassing and everlasting universal "something".

Yes an uncreated Spirit in a different realm.

No issue with that.

Kaon · Nov 10, 2019

Apex said:
That is not nothing. A vacuum with "stuff" is something.

That is what I said; the "stuff" in a vacuum is infinitesimal, not substantative, but not "nothing". It still has "stuff" even at the9 fractal threshold.

Real "nothing" is a void.

Apex · Nov 10, 2019

Kaon said:
Real "nothing" is a void.

There is no such thing as "real nothing". A void is still something. Real nothingness only exists abstractly in our language, but not in reality.

Kaon · Nov 10, 2019

Apex said:
There is no such thing as "real nothing". A void is still something. Real nothingness only exists abstractly in our language, but not in reality.

Of course there is something as a real nothing, I also said we cannot perceive it (no created being can likely) except for the One who is Everything.

The very fact that I can imagine absolute nothingness (void) means that it exists. There is nothing new under the sun, and whatever we come up with has been done before. This includes thoughts, and abstractions, which is why we are told our very thoughts (lusts and wants) can lead us to destruction if we let them. We just don't realize how "real" abstractions are, because we are intellectually handicapped by our logic and reason.

Apex · Nov 11, 2019

Kaon said:
The very fact that I can imagine absolute nothingness (void) means that it exists.

How does that follow logically? I can imagine a two-headed dragon. Two-headed dragons don't exist in reality.

However, I would argue that you cannot imagine absolute nothingness because there is absolutely nothing to imagine.

God is omnipresent. This means there isn't a place where God isn't.

Kaon · Nov 12, 2019

Apex said:
How does that follow logically? I can imagine a two-headed dragon. Two-headed dragons don't exist in reality.

However, I would argue that you cannot imagine absolute nothingness because there is absolutely nothing to imagine.

God is omnipresent. This means there isn't a place where God isn't.

You are handicapped by your logic and reason. It is why you cannot readily expect or perceive the alleged unreasonable and illogical.

I never said the Most High God is not everything; you are getting confused (and possibly offended) by a paradox that is actually straight forward. Reread what I said, or do not. But, I have said exactly what I meant about the OP.

DennisTate · Nov 12, 2019

HopeInJesusOnly said:
Can God make it like something never happened (an accident, an abusive situation, a natural disaster, an illness, a death, etc.)?

Here is an off-the-wall example, would God ever choose to wipe the memory of a negative event from all those involved so as to heal them of all signs of the trauma (physical, mental, spiritual) and make it like that negative never occurred (even though it did)?

What do you think? I mean, technically God can do anything, but does He ever choose to reverse time or wipe out the memory of a negative event so He doesn't even need to reverse time?

I am not sure if this will be helpful or not :

Multiverse Theory and multiple Ezekiel 37 type events.

HopeInJesusOnly · Dec 12, 2019

DennisTate said:
I am not sure if this will be helpful or not :

Multiverse Theory and multiple Ezekiel 37 type events.

Are you suggesting that catastrophic events mean down a dimension, and blessings mean up?

Kaon · Dec 12, 2019

HopeInJesusOnly said:
Are you suggesting that catastrophic events mean down a dimension, and blessings mean up?

Could you explain what you mean? I think you are on to something...

HopeInJesusOnly · Dec 12, 2019

Kaon said:
Could you explain what you mean? I think you are on to something...

I could...but first an odd question:

What if you were so connected to God and others saw it. Would keeping you down give them an opportunity to rise?

DennisTate · Dec 12, 2019

HopeInJesusOnly said:
Are you suggesting that catastrophic events mean down a dimension, and blessings mean up?

That is one very real possibility.

Dr. George Ritchie in 1943 saw the quality of life get better and better and better as humans went what would seem to be upward into higher and higher dimensions?

The very fact that his account seems to corrspond amazingly well with String Theory four or five decades before String Theory is common knowledge certainly impresses me.

Dr. George Ritchie's Near-Death Experience

b. His Guided Tour of the Earthbound Realm with Jesus

The following is the testimony of George Ritchie's tour of the Earthbound Realm: Then Jesus begins to take Ritchie on a journey through various realms of the afterlife. They fly toward a large city on Earth where they notice a group of assembly-line workers at work. They witnesses the spirit of a woman trying desperately to grab a cigarette from the workers who were oblivious to her presence. This woman had died severely addicted to cigarettes and was now cut off from the one thing she desperately desired most.

Ritchie realizes how the spirits in these realms immediately know the thoughts of other spirits around them. This is the reason they tend to group together with other spirits. It is too threatening to be around others who knew and disagreed with their thoughts.

Jesus leads Ritchie to a house somewhere on Earth where he is shown the spirit of a young man following his living family members around and begging them for forgiveness. But the family members are completely unaware of his presence. Jesus tells Ritchie the young man committed suicide and is "chained to every consequence of his act."

They then traveled to a bar somewhere on Earth which was filled with sailors drinking heavily. Spirits surrounded the sailors as they tried desperately, and in vain, to grasp the shot glasses to get a drink. Other spirits tried to control the sailors' alcoholic behavior. Ritchie learns these are the spirits of people who died still having a severe alcoholic addiction which went beyond the physical. He is bewildered as he observes one of the sailors passing out causing the sailor's protective aura surrounding him to crack open. When it does, it allows a spirit to scramble into the sailor's unconscious body. This scene was repeated over and over.

......

e. His Observations of the Temple of Wisdom

The following is the testimony of George Ritchie's Temple of Wisdom and Heavenly City Experience: They then travel to a completely different realm where some kind of enormous university is located. Spirits dressed as monks busily and happily engaged in some form of artistic behavior or research. An enormous library exists here where all the important books of the universe are assembled. Ritchie asks Jesus if this is heaven. These are the spirits of people who grew beyond selfish desires while on Earth; but, like the spirits in hell, these spirits cannot see Jesus either.

f. His Vision of the Heavenly City

Ritchie is then taken into outer space toward a distant city made of brilliant light - similar in description to the heavenly city in the Book of Revelation (see also Revelation 21:10-27.) This is the place where people go who have become like Jesus while on Earth - a place where love is the dominant focus of life. This is heaven he realizes; but he is not allowed to enter it. Instead, Jesus shows him the future of Earth and is told to return to his physical body. At this point, Ritchie is revived from death.

More information on String Theory as it was understood in the 1990's is quoted here:

www.CarbonBias.blogspot.ca/

HopeInJesusOnly · Dec 12, 2019

HopeInJesusOnly said:
Are you suggesting that catastrophic events mean down a dimension, and blessings mean up?

@DennisTate - does the badge mean you agree?

And are we earmarked either way, or is it of our own doing?

DennisTate · Dec 12, 2019

HopeInJesusOnly said:
I could...but first an odd question:

What if you were so connected to God and others saw it. Would keeping you down give them an opportunity to rise?

What an intriguing question!

Yes.... I would say that that is a real possibility that may even connect with Leviticus 16
verse ten in the Revised Standard Version of the Bible.

DennisTate · Dec 12, 2019

HopeInJesusOnly said:
@DennisTate - does the badge mean you agree?

And are we earmarked either way, or is it of our own doing?

I agree that that is an exceptionally good question. I don't know yet whether or not I will agree with your reaction to my answer or not..... but that is an excellent question and indicates that you may be onto the most likely answer.

Former Skeptic Howard Storm would certainly tend to equate going downward in a dimension to be "catastrophic."

Howard Storm's Near-Death Experience

Before his near-death experience, Howard Storm at www.howardstorm.com was a Professor of Art at Northern Kentucky University, was not a very pleasant man by his own admission. He was an avowed atheist and was hostile to every form of religion and those who practiced it. He often would use rage to control everyone around him and he didn’t find joy in anything. Anything that wasn’t seen, touched or felt, he had no faith in. He knew with certainty that the material world was the full extent of everything that was. He considered all belief systems associated with religion to be fantasies for people to deceive themselves with. Beyond what science said, there was nothing else. But then on June 1, 1985, at the age of 38, Howard Storm’s had a near-death experience due to a perforation of the stomach and his life was since forever changed. His near-death experience is one of the most profound, if not the most profound, afterlife experience I have ever documented. His life was so immensely changed after his near-death experience, he resigned as a professor and devoted his time attending the United Theological Seminary to become a United Church of Christ minister. Today, Howard Storm is presently happily married to his wife Marcia and was Pastor of the Covington United Church of Christ in Covington, Ohio. During his past time he has maintained his passion for painting but now, unlike in his past, he paints with a God state of mind which raises his paintings to a whole other level. On this website Pastor Storm shares a unique look at his paintings and the effect Jesus Christ has on his daily life and on his paintings. The following is the account of Pastor Howard Storm's near-death experience reprinted by permission.

1. An Invitation to Hell from Strange Beings

[Howard Storm was in intense agony and dying.]

Kaon · Dec 12, 2019

HopeInJesusOnly said:
I could...but first an odd question:

What if you were so connected to God and others saw it. Would keeping you down give them an opportunity to rise?

Depends on what rise means. If we are talking about being saved, then of course.

The Most High God has already told us He is close to those who are low in spirit. My limited human mind can see the benefit for someone who has been His from the beginning to go through trauma(s) for the benefit of all parties. Eternity is very long; if you can show that you want to, and are willing to fundamentally change your nature (whether or not you actually can), then that may be enough to refine into stable ore in Heaven.

Any other "success" besides Redemption is absolute futility. Why? because when calamity happens, what you alluded to may also happen - which is why I asked you what you meant by it.

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