Do Dispensationalists share in the guilt of bloodshed related to Israel?

Status
Not open for further replies.

Semper-Fi

Well-Known Member
Supporter
May 26, 2019
1,788
754
63
Pacific north west
✟398,678.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
“Jesus answered, My kingdom (kingship, royal power) belongs not to this world.

"They are not of this world, even as
I am not of this world."

The bible talks about 3 worlds.
The world that was, the world that is[current],
and the world to come. All are the same earth.

We are in this world , but not of this world.
The god of this current world is not God, but Satan!
Soon Christ will take over, and replace the
governments of this current world [or age].

"The kingdoms of [this world] are become
the kingdoms of our Lord" Revelation 11:15

"Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood
cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth
corruption inherit incorruption."

In Danial, the current world rulers are replaced
when Christ returns as king of kings.

The kingdom shall not be left to other people,
the saints will rule with Christ on [this earth].

Gods kingdom which smote the image upon his
feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them
to pieces. And in the days of these kings shall

the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall
never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be
left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and
consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Gods kingdom will replace or consume
all these kingdoms on earth. At that time
Jesus will be king over all the earth.
 
Upvote 0

Biblewriter

Senior Member
Supporter
May 15, 2005
11,937
1,498
Ocala, Florida
Visit site
✟531,725.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
CA-Conservatives
“And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.” Genesis 17:14 (KJV 1900)
That scripture does not even imply that such a person would thereby cease to be an Isaelite. Being cut off from his people does not change his ethnicity.
 
Upvote 0

Dave L

Well-Known Member
Supporter
Jun 28, 2018
15,549
5,875
USA
✟580,110.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
That scripture does not even imply that such a person would thereby cease to be an Isaelite. Being cut off from his people does not change his ethnicity.
It means they were removed from Israel and Judaism.
 
Upvote 0

Dave L

Well-Known Member
Supporter
Jun 28, 2018
15,549
5,875
USA
✟580,110.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
No scripture says this.
Jesus is Israel along with those who believe in him. Here's how;
Jesus is Israel.

“Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.” Galatians 3:16 (KJV 1900)

“For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.” 2 Corinthians 1:20 (KJV 1900)

Moses and Paul called Abraham’s seed both Hebrews and Israel.

“Now there was no smith found throughout all the land of Israel: for the Philistines said, Lest the Hebrews make them swords or spears:” (1 Samuel 13:19)


“Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;” (Philippians 3:5)


“And they shall hearken to thy voice: and thou shalt come, thou and the elders of Israel, unto the king of Egypt, and ye shall say unto him, The Lord God of the Hebrews hath met with us: and now let us go, we beseech thee, three days’ journey into the wilderness, that we may sacrifice to the Lord our God.” (Exodus 3:18)


“Then said the princes of the Philistines, What do these Hebrews here? And Achish said unto the princes of the Philistines, Is not this David, the servant of Saul the king of Israel, which hath been with me these days, or these years, and I have found no fault in him since he fell unto me unto this day?” (1 Samuel 29:3)


“Are they Hebrews? So am I. Are they Israelites? So am I. Are they the seed of Abraham? So am I.” (2 Corinthians 11:22)

Therefore Jesus IS Israel, Abraham’s Seed (Singular Galatians 3:16) along with believers. “And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.” Galatians 3:29 (KJV 1900)
 
Upvote 0

Biblewriter

Senior Member
Supporter
May 15, 2005
11,937
1,498
Ocala, Florida
Visit site
✟531,725.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
CA-Conservatives
"They are not of this world, even as
I am not of this world."

The bible talks about 3 worlds.
The world that was, the world that is[current],
and the world to come. All are the same earth.

The god of this current world is not God, but Satan!
Soon Christ will take over, and replace the
governments of this current world [or age].

"The kingdoms of [this world] are become
the kingdoms of our Lord" Revelation 11:15

"Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood
cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth
corruption inherit incorruption."

In Danial, the current world rulers are replaced
when Christ returns as king of kings.

The kingdom shall not be left to other people,
the saints will rule with Christ on [this earth].

Gods kingdom which smote the image upon his
feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them
to pieces. And in the days of these kings shall

the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall
never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be
left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and
consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Gods kingdom will replace or consume
all these kingdoms on earth. At that time
Jesus will be king over all the earth.
Don't bother him with explicitly stated scripture. he thinks his interpretations bear greater authority.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: Nige55
Upvote 0

Biblewriter

Senior Member
Supporter
May 15, 2005
11,937
1,498
Ocala, Florida
Visit site
✟531,725.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
CA-Conservatives
Jesus is Israel along with those who believe in him. Here's how;
Jesus is Israel.

“Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.” Galatians 3:16 (KJV 1900)

“For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.” 2 Corinthians 1:20 (KJV 1900)

Moses and Paul called Abraham’s seed both Hebrews and Israel.

“Now there was no smith found throughout all the land of Israel: for the Philistines said, Lest the Hebrews make them swords or spears:” (1 Samuel 13:19)


“Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;” (Philippians 3:5)


“And they shall hearken to thy voice: and thou shalt come, thou and the elders of Israel, unto the king of Egypt, and ye shall say unto him, The Lord God of the Hebrews hath met with us: and now let us go, we beseech thee, three days’ journey into the wilderness, that we may sacrifice to the Lord our God.” (Exodus 3:18)


“Then said the princes of the Philistines, What do these Hebrews here? And Achish said unto the princes of the Philistines, Is not this David, the servant of Saul the king of Israel, which hath been with me these days, or these years, and I have found no fault in him since he fell unto me unto this day?” (1 Samuel 29:3)


“Are they Hebrews? So am I. Are they Israelites? So am I. Are they the seed of Abraham? So am I.” (2 Corinthians 11:22)

Therefore Jesus IS Israel, Abraham’s Seed (Singular Galatians 3:16) along with believers. “And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.” Galatians 3:29 (KJV 1900)
This is ALL pure INTERPRETATION. it is STATED NOWHERE in scripture.
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

Semper-Fi

Well-Known Member
Supporter
May 26, 2019
1,788
754
63
Pacific north west
✟398,678.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Abraham's seed = Jesus. Abraham's seed = Israel. Jesus is Israel.

Jesus is not Israel, but the [God of Israel]
God of Israel | YouVersion Search | The Bible App

Isaiah 45:4 (KJV)
For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.

God's heritage

Job 31:2 For what portion of God is there from above? and what inheritance of the Almighty from on high?

Psalms 127:3
Lo, children are an heritage of the Lord:
and the fruit of the womb is his reward.

Psalms 33:12 Blessed is the nation whose God
is the Lord; and the people whom he hath chosen for [his own inheritance].

1 Kings 8:51 For they be thy people, and thine inheritance, which thou broughtest forth out of Egypt, from the midst of the furnace of iron:

Deuteronomy 4:20 But the Lord hath taken you, and brought you forth out of the iron furnace, even out of Egypt, to be unto him a people of inheritance, as ye are this day.

1 Kings 8:53 For thou didst separate them from among all the people of the earth, to be thine inheritance, as thou spakest by the hand of Moses thy servant, when thou broughtest our fathers out of Egypt, O Lord God.

Isaiah 19:25 Whom the Lord of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and [Israel mine inheritance].

Psalms 68:9 Thou, O God, didst send a plentiful rain, whereby thou didst confirm thine inheritance, when it was weary.

Psalms 74:2 Remember thy congregation, which thou hast purchased of old; the rod of thine
inheritance, which thou hast redeemed; this mount Zion, wherein thou hast dwelt.

Psalms 94:14 For the Lord will not cast off his people, neither will he forsake his inheritance.

Ezekiel 22:16 And thou shalt take thine inheritance in thyself in [the sight of the heathen], and thou shalt know that I am the Lord.
 
Upvote 0

Dave L

Well-Known Member
Supporter
Jun 28, 2018
15,549
5,875
USA
✟580,110.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Jesus is not Israel, but the [God of Israel]
God of Israel | YouVersion Search | The Bible App

Isaiah 45:4 (KJV)
For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.

God's heritage

Job 31:2 For what portion of God is there from above? and what inheritance of the Almighty from on high?

Psalms 127:3
Lo, children are an heritage of the Lord:
and the fruit of the womb is his reward.

Psalms 33:12 Blessed is the nation whose God
is the Lord; and the people whom he hath chosen for [his own inheritance].

1 Kings 8:51 For they be thy people, and thine inheritance, which thou broughtest forth out of Egypt, from the midst of the furnace of iron:

Deuteronomy 4:20 But the Lord hath taken you, and brought you forth out of the iron furnace, even out of Egypt, to be unto him a people of inheritance, as ye are this day.

1 Kings 8:53 For thou didst separate them from among all the people of the earth, to be thine inheritance, as thou spakest by the hand of Moses thy servant, when thou broughtest our fathers out of Egypt, O Lord God.

Isaiah 19:25 Whom the Lord of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and [Israel mine inheritance].

Psalms 68:9 Thou, O God, didst send a plentiful rain, whereby thou didst confirm thine inheritance, when it was weary.

Psalms 74:2 Remember thy congregation, which thou hast purchased of old; the rod of thine
inheritance, which thou hast redeemed; this mount Zion, wherein thou hast dwelt.

Psalms 94:14 For the Lord will not cast off his people, neither will he forsake his inheritance.

Ezekiel 22:16 And thou shalt take thine inheritance in thyself in [the sight of the heathen], and thou shalt know that I am the Lord.
Israel, the people called by my name says God. And Jesus IS Israel as revealed in the NT. Paul says he IS Abraham's Seed (singular) and Matthew says Hosea 11:1 is a prophecy about God calling Israel (Jesus) out of Egypt (during Herod's demise).

Circumcision made one a physical covenant seed of Abraham. But when Jesus abolished circumcision on the cross, all unbelieving members of physical Israel died off with the nation. With no provision for them to be reunited with biblical Israel save through Christ.
 
Upvote 0

Semper-Fi

Well-Known Member
Supporter
May 26, 2019
1,788
754
63
Pacific north west
✟398,678.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Israel, the people called by my name says God. And Jesus IS Israel as revealed in the NT. Paul says he IS Abraham's Seed (singular) and Matthew says Hosea 11:1 is a prophecy about God calling Israel (Jesus) out of Egypt (during Herod's demise).

Hosea 11 is talking about Israel the nation.

When Israel was a child, then I loved him,
and called my son out of Egypt.

2As they called them, so they went from them:
they sacrificed unto Baalim, and burned incense
to graven images.

In Hosea 10 also talks about the nation of Israel,
not about Christ.

1 [Israel is an empty vine], he bringeth forth fruit unto himself: according to the multitude of his fruit he hath increased the altars; according to the goodness of his land they have made goodly images
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

Dave L

Well-Known Member
Supporter
Jun 28, 2018
15,549
5,875
USA
✟580,110.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Hosea 11 is talking about Israel the nation.

When Israel was a child, then I loved him,
and called my son out of Egypt.

2As they called them, so they went from them:
they sacrificed unto Baalim, and burned incense
to graven images.

In Hosea 10 also talks about the nation of Israel,
not about Christ.

1 [Israel is an empty vine], he bringeth forth fruit unto himself: according to the multitude of his fruit he hath increased the altars; according to the goodness of his land they have made goodly images
Consider Matthew's use of Hosea.

“When Israel was a child, then I loved him, And called my son out of Egypt.” (Hosea 11:1)

“And [Jesus] was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.” (Matthew 2:15)

“If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.” 2 Chronicles 7:14 (KJV 1900)
 
Upvote 0

Semper-Fi

Well-Known Member
Supporter
May 26, 2019
1,788
754
63
Pacific north west
✟398,678.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
21And the Lord said unto Moses, When thou goest to return into Egypt, see that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which I have put in thine hand: but I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go.

22And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

23And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.

Here the [son] is Israel the nation,
not Christ.
 
Upvote 0

Dave L

Well-Known Member
Supporter
Jun 28, 2018
15,549
5,875
USA
✟580,110.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
21And the Lord said unto Moses, When thou goest to return into Egypt, see that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which I have put in thine hand: but I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go.

22And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

23And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.
Speaking of Jesus who was Abraham's Seed who would come through Isaac.
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

Semper-Fi

Well-Known Member
Supporter
May 26, 2019
1,788
754
63
Pacific north west
✟398,678.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
“By myself have I sworn, saith the [Eternal], for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son: That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gates of his enemies.

The promise now is unconditional.

This legacy guaranteed on the authority of God
Almighty, unconditionally, multitudinous population, untoldwealth and material resources, national greatness and world power!
 
  • Agree
Reactions: Nige55
Upvote 0
Status
Not open for further replies.