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I said the Jesus prayer when I was 9 because I was afraid of going to hell and I figured hey, if I can get out of hell by saying a prayer, I'll do it. I did not actually believe. I followed up with baptism because it was expected. Now I believe and I am wondering if I should get baptized again? I don't feel a lot of anxiety over it; I'm just wondering what people think.
 
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I said the Jesus prayer when I was 9 because I was afraid of going to hell and I figured hey, if I can get out of hell by saying a prayer, I'll do it. I did not actually believe. I followed up with baptism because it was expected. Now I believe and I am wondering if I should get baptized again? I don't feel a lot of anxiety over it; I'm just wondering what people think.
Hi Emsmom1, first off, I see that you are still pretty new around here, so WELCOME TO CF :wave:

As for water baptism, if you pretended to believe and got baptized in an attempt to receive a Get Out Of Hell For Free pass from God, but now you've become a true believer, I would say "yes", you should be baptized now as a believer .. e.g. Mark 16:16.

Have you told all of this to your pastor and asked him what you should do?

God bless you!

--David

1 Thessalonians 5
23 May the God of peace Himself sanctify you entirely; and may your spirit and soul and body
be preserved complete, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

24 Faithful is He who calls you, and He also will bring it to pass.

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I said the Jesus prayer when I was 9 because I was afraid of going to hell and I figured hey, if I can get out of hell by saying a prayer, I'll do it. I did not actually believe. I followed up with baptism because it was expected. Now I believe and I am wondering if I should get baptized again? I don't feel a lot of anxiety over it; I'm just wondering what people think.
Personally, I would. My son was baptised (against my wishes) when he was a child. It means nothing to him now. If (hopefully, when) he turns to the Lord, I'd encourage him to be baptised. I was sprinkled in the Anglican church. I was saved for some months (I was not quite 21) before I knew anything about baptism. I got baptised at the first opportunity.
 
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St._Worm2. well, it's kind of complicated. I'm a member of PCUSA but have been attending PCA off and on for years. So, yes, I have an official PCUSA pastor (as in I am a member of his church) but I have been pulled more toward PCA recently so I am not sure who to ask. And, despite years in various churches, I am a very new believer.
 
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Hello again Emsmom1, whichever church you attend, I am so very thankful for the mighty work that God did in you to bring you to saving faith in Him, as well for everything that He continues to do now to grow you up in and preserve you in the faith :amen:

I was baptized as an infant in the PCUSA, but then I was re-baptized after finally becoming a Christian at age 30 (I always thought that I'd been one up until the moment that I finally became one and then realized that I'd never been). I ended up in the Evangelical Free Church of America (where I still am 33 years later) because of one of the people who led me to Christ, but I've always been a Presbyterian at heart :) (and when I take the test that tells you which church to attend, the top three churches are as follows, PCA, OPC, then Reformed Baptist).

I'm certain that most PCUSA and certainly most/all PCA churches would have refused to baptize me a 2nd time. Had I gone to a PCA church and been taught what I now know, I sure I would have let my infant baptism stand (though I admit to being glad that I ended up being baptized as a believer, because it had so much meaning for me just 6 months after becoming one :)).

Chances are very good that your PCA pastor will tell you not to be re-baptized, then again, I'm not totally sure in your particular case, so I would be interested to hear what he has to say/his reasoning (if you end up talking to him and, of course, if you have the time and don't mind).

If you are interested, here's what Dr. J. I. Packer has to say (in part) about baptism. He is a very conservative Anglican theologian and professor, and he holds to the same Reformed views that the PCA does. Though I believe that everything he has to say is interesting, I put the paragraph that most directly concerns your situation in bold below.


BAPTISM

THIS RITE EXHIBITS UNION WITH CHRIST

Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
ROMANS 6:3-4​

Christian baptism, which has the form of a ceremonial washing (like John’s pre-Christian baptism), is a sign from God that signifies inward cleansing and remission of sins (Acts 22:16; 1 Cor. 6:11; Eph. 5:25–27), Spirit-wrought regeneration and new life (Titus 3:5), and the abiding presence of the Holy Spirit as God’s seal testifying and guaranteeing that one will be kept safe in Christ forever (1 Cor. 12:13; Eph. 1:13–14). Baptism carries these meanings because first and fundamentally it signifies union with Christ in his death, burial, and resurrection (Rom. 6:3–7; Col. 2:11–12); and this union with Christ is the source of every element in our salvation (1 John 5:11–12). Receiving the sign in faith assures the persons baptized that God’s gift of new life in Christ is freely given to them. At the same time, it commits them to live henceforth in a new way as committed disciples of Jesus. Baptism signifies a watershed point in a human life because it signifies a new-creational ingrafting into Christ’s risen life.

Christ instructed his disciples to baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit (Matt. 28:19). This means that the covenant relation which baptism formally confers is one of acceptance by, communion with, and commitment to all three Persons of the Godhead. When Paul says that the Israelites were “baptized into Moses” (1 Cor. 10:2), he means that they were put under Moses’ control and direction. Thus, baptism into the name of the triune God signifies control and direction by God himself.

The outward sign does not automatically or magically convey the inward blessings that it signifies, and the candidates’ professions of faith are not always genuine. Peter had to tell the newly baptized Simon Magus that he was still unrenewed in heart (Acts 8:13–24).

As a sign of a once-for-all event, baptism should be administered to a person only once. Baptism is real and valid if water and the triune name are used, even if it is of an adult whose profession turns out to have been hypocritical. Simon Magus received baptism once, and if he came to real faith later it would have been incorrect to baptize him again.

No prescription of a particular mode of baptism can be found in the New Testament. The command to baptize may be fulfilled by immersion, dipping, or sprinkling; all three modes satisfy the meaning of the Greek verb baptizo and the symbolic requirement of passing under, and emerging from, cleansing water.

To baptize believers’ babies, in the belief that this accords with God’s revealed will, has been the historic practice of most churches. However, the worldwide baptist community, which includes distinguished Reformed thinkers, disputes it.

This links up with the baptist insistence that membership of local congregations is only for those who have publicly professed personal faith: an emphasis often buttressed by the claim that Christ instituted baptism primarily for a public profession of faith, and that such a profession is part of the definition of baptism, so that infant baptism is not really baptism at all. (Therefore baptist churches usually rebaptize as believers persons baptized in infancy who have come to faith; from the baptist standpoint they are still unbaptized.) Reformed theology negates the view that believer-baptism is the only baptism and rejects baptist denials of a place for believers’ children in the body of Christ by virtue of their parentage, and thus from birth. These differences about the visible church form the background for all discussions of infant baptism as such.

The case for baptizing believers’ infants (a practice that the New Testament neither illustrates nor prescribes nor forbids) rests on the claim that the transition from the “old” to the “new” form of God’s covenant that was brought about by the coming of Christ did not affect the principle of family solidarity in the covenant community (i.e., the church, as it is now called). Infants were therefore to be baptized, as Jewish male infants had previously been circumcised, not to confer on them covenant status, but to attest the covenant status that by God’s sovereign appointment their parentage had already given them.

In 1 Corinthians 7:14, Paul resolves the question of whether God accepts a marriage in which only one partner has become a Christian by invoking the certainty that the children of such a marriage are relationally and covenantally “holy,” that is, are dedicated to and accepted by God in company with their one Christian parent. So the principle of parent-and-child solidarity still stands, as Peter also indicated in his Pentecost sermon (Acts 2:39). But if infants share covenant status with their parent, it is fitting, other things being equal, to give them the sign of that status and of their place in the covenant community, and it would be unfitting for the church to withhold it. This fitness is demonstrated by the fact that when circumcision was the sign of covenant status and community inclusion, God commanded it explicitly (Gen. 17:9–14).

Against this, baptists affirm that (a) circumcision was primarily a sign of Jewish ethnic identity, so the parallel alleged between it and Christian baptism is a mistake; (b) under the new covenant, the requirement of personal faith before baptism is absolute; and (c) practices that Scripture does not explicitly recognize and approve must not be brought into church life.

Certainly, all adult church members should have professed faith personally before the church, and communities that baptize infants provide for this in a rite of confirmation or its equivalent. The Christian nurture of baptist and paedobaptist children will be similar: dedicated to God in infancy, either by baptism or by a dedication rite (which some will see as a dry baptism), they will then be brought up to live for the Lord and led to the point of publicly professing faith on their own account in confirmation or baptism (which some will see as a wet confirmation). After this they will enjoy full communicant status, unless indeed they come under discipline for some lapse. The ongoing debate is not about nurture but about God’s way of defining the church. ~Packer, J. I. (1993). Concise Theology: a guide to historic Christian beliefs (pp. 212–216). Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House.

--David
 
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I said the Jesus prayer when I was 9 because I was afraid of going to hell and I figured hey, if I can get out of hell by saying a prayer, I'll do it. I did not actually believe. I followed up with baptism because it was expected. Now I believe and I am wondering if I should get baptized again? I don't feel a lot of anxiety over it; I'm just wondering what people think.

No, because you are baptized and this is one time event in life.
 
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No, because you are baptized and this is one time event in life.

I agree with this. To be baptised again would be to say that God was not present and active in your first baptism.
 
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Both the PCUSA and the PCA would tell you the same thing: Baptism isn't primarily a symbol of our faith. It's a sign and seal of God's claim on us. As Luther says, it is water and the Word. Like all of Christianity, it's a matter of grace.

We can't ever be truly worthy of it. Every time we come to a new understanding of God we don't get baptized again. Rather, we come see that God has been working with us all along. We were always his. When Luther went through a period of doubt he would say to himself "I was baptized." That, he was God's, and God hasn't given up on him.
 
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I said the Jesus prayer when I was 9 because I was afraid of going to hell and I figured hey, if I can get out of hell by saying a prayer, I'll do it. I did not actually believe. I followed up with baptism because it was expected. Now I believe and I am wondering if I should get baptized again? I don't feel a lot of anxiety over it; I'm just wondering what people think.

Nope, only one baptism your good there
 
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St_Worm 2 I wanted to message you but I don't have 20 posts/5 likes yet. Would it be possible for you to message me so I can ask you my question? Let me know. Thanks.
Sure. In fact, it’s already set-up. Just click on the little white envelope near the top right of this page and you’ll find it.

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I said the Jesus prayer when I was 9 because I was afraid of going to hell and I figured hey, if I can get out of hell by saying a prayer, I'll do it. I did not actually believe. I followed up with baptism because it was expected. Now I believe and I am wondering if I should get baptized again? I don't feel a lot of anxiety over it; I'm just wondering what people think.

Your first baptism was still baptism, and thus is the only baptism you'll ever need.

Any subsequent "baptism" would just be getting wet.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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I said the Jesus prayer when I was 9 because I was afraid of going to hell and I figured hey, if I can get out of hell by saying a prayer, I'll do it. I did not actually believe. I followed up with baptism because it was expected. Now I believe and I am wondering if I should get baptized again? I don't feel a lot of anxiety over it; I'm just wondering what people think.
You CAN'T get baptized again. It's indelible. Some churches will perform another one and some even insist upon it because of their rather unorthodox theology, but baptism marks the recipient as a member of Christ's church, and even if you were to renounce the faith at some point, repentance and being received back into the congregation would be the way to remedy that, not a "re-baptism."
 
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You CAN'T get baptized again. It's indelible. Some churches will perform another one and some even insist upon it because of their rather unorthodox theology, but baptism marks the recipient as a member of Christ's church, and even if you were to renounce the faith at some point, repentance and being received back into the congregation would be the way to remedy that, not a "re-baptism."
But I didn’t renounce the faith- I never had it. I had no idea what I was doing at church camp- I “went forward” and “gave my heart to Jesus” because it’s what I was supposed to do (I thought it was insurance against hell) and my friends were all doing it. And I followed up with baptism because it was expected.
And what do you mean by CAN’T- as in, it would be improper?
 
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But I didn’t renounce the faith- I never had it. I had no idea what I was doing at church camp- I “went forward” and “gave my heart to Jesus” because it’s what I was supposed to do (I thought it was insurance against hell) and my friends were all doing it.
Okay. I appreciate the follow-up information; I hadn't thought it was that clear-cut a situation.

In such a case, and even though a re-baptism is not actually required--no more than it is necessary for a child to know how immunizations "work" before the inoculation protects him from small pox--it would not be a sin to be baptized again.

More important may be the matter of which church you seek to join. If the pastor says to re-baptize, then you will have to. If the pastor questions the validity of your original baptism and so calls for a "conditional" baptism, do that. And if he says that it is unnecessary since it is not your affirmation that determines validity (and that you should make your verbal commitment in the sacrament of Confirmation instead of a new baptism), go with that. :)
 
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If you're referring to a Presbyterian church, I suspect that his advice is geared more towards your peace of mind than towards the baptismal controversy itself. If you've told him what you told us, he is not saying that your original baptism was invalid, despite all the circumstances that worry you.
 
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But I didn’t renounce the faith- I never had it. I had no idea what I was doing at church camp- I “went forward” and “gave my heart to Jesus” because it’s what I was supposed to do (I thought it was insurance against hell) and my friends were all doing it. And I followed up with baptism because it was expected.
And what do you mean by CAN’T- as in, it would be improper?

The traditional Christian understanding of Baptism is that it's God's work, word, and promise to us; so even if you didn't "mean it", God still did. God still meant it when you were baptized, and the word and promise He gave you in Baptism can't be nullified. We can't make null the word and promise of God.

By "can't" it means that it's simply impossible. A second "baptism" wouldn't be Baptism, but just getting wet. Yes it'd be improper, but more than that, it's just not possible. In the same way that one can't just go through childhood again, it already happened.

You can reaffirm your Baptism, but you can't get baptized again.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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