The Devil Adores the Christian Soldier

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Veteran's Day and Christianity? Those early Anabaptist, Grebel, Manz, Sattler, and others were not afraid and wholly expected, that they would pay the ultimate price for their message. Our institutional Churches shy away from trouble, and consequently shy away from "TRUTH." Speaking the truth into the commercial church has cost me dearly in regards to fellowship and friendship and I would do it a hundred times over if it is the right thing to do, and I believe it is. To celebrate this Veteran's Day I have written a poem with the hope that maybe someone will be affected.

The Devil Adores the Christian Soldier

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There are no Christian Patriots, a lie that's everywhere believed,

And as far as enduring suffering, God has closed His ears to thee.

Your faith and life are based upon, a flag and sophistry,

That you display with foolish pride, and think it sets you free.


You have walked into harm's way, and accepted the national lie,

That guns and bombs and hand grenades, you can on them rely.

But Truth that is so very meek, you have turned away your eyes,

To tread the shores of distant lands, where prideful men do die.


Why pretend that peace is purchased, with all your deadly weapons,

When Jesus says quite clearly: “Resist not the evil person”?

Our Lord did die and led the way, so there's no excuse for treason,

Yet you conclude He could not have known, our circumstance or reasons.


This latter-day religion, that has thrown wisdom to the wind,

That trust in arms and missiles, instead of trusting Him.

There is no reconciliation, to those who trust in men,

Who have found security in a motto, and believe the national hymn.


He has told us plainly, and demands obedience today,

Lay down your earthly weapons, and come and die My way,

And trust not in your own might, nor officers made of clay.

Freedom is a free gift, for those who will obey.


Our war is not with those lost men, who Jesus came to save,

Our war is in the heavenlies, against demons in array.

The battle is not ours to win, we fight evil unafraid,

And oppose the Devil and his hordes, in a closet as we pray.


Remember Jesus and His men, who all died forever blessed,

Who put aside all worldly arms, and in Spirit they found rest.

We only have One Master, and to His pierced side we press,

And steer away from Satan's lie, and cheat eternal death.
 

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The cause of peace is a noble goal, but I would ask you seriously: Do Christians cease to be Christians when they become soldiers? Because there are 2,000 years give or take of evidence to the contrary, St. George, St. Theodore El Shatby, the entire Theban Legion, St. Philopateer Mercurios, etc. all bearing witness.
 
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Jesus did not tell soldiers (nor did Yochanan the immerser) to necessarily quit being a soldier... just to no longer do the evil that soldiers routinely did daily. (including killing someone, or robbing them)
 
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The cause of peace is a noble goal, but I would ask you seriously: Do Christians cease to be Christians when they become soldiers? Because there are 2,000 years give or take of evidence to the contrary, St. George, St. Theodore El Shatby, the entire Theban Legion, St. Philopateer Mercurios, etc. all bearing witness.

The cause of peace apart from Christ is not a noble goal, it is the cause of war and killing.

Where in the N.T. have Christians been given the freedom to kill their enemies? And, I would ask you also seriously, can you serve two masters? If you call yourself a Christian and commit your allegiance to Christ then turn around and swear allegiance to another king is this not the definition of treason? The first 300 hundred years of the Church there was no dispute on this issue it only arose with Constantine's decree that all of his soldiers had to be "Christian." And, the downhill slide into apostasy continued with Augustine's "Just War" treatise (Augustine did not coin the word, only the idea). All of those who followed afterward bowed to the state until killing your enemy was made acceptable by nearly everyone, but that does not change anything. Christ stood against all of that nonsense and still does. Today it is inconceivable that anyone would not be allowed to kill their enemy. The Church today has so desperately tried to make their heresy uniform that they have almost succeeded. Jesus even says that in the last times that good would become evil and evil good, and again He says, "Will I even find faith on the earth when I return." In another place it is stated that "the way is narrow" and that very few will be able to enter in but that the way to hell is "broad" and that it is there that all these so-called Christians are walking, and where do you suppose that road leads to? Men have taken over the Church and changed all the rules and that once pure virgin has become a harlot.
 
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Jesus did not tell soldiers (nor did Yochanan the immerser) to necessarily quit being a soldier... just to no longer do the evil that soldiers routinely did daily. (including killing someone, or robbing them)

He also did not tell them to stay in the military either. We do have the records of some who choose to die rather than to stay in the military. With the understanding of the N.T. writings of the time and the teaching of the Apostles we can be sure that the sword was no longer needed.
 
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Jesus did not tell soldiers (nor did Yochanan the immerser) to necessarily quit being a soldier... just to no longer do the evil that soldiers routinely did daily. (including killing someone, or robbing them)

Amen! In Matthew 8:5-13, Jesus praised a soldier's faith. Now, why would our Llord would praise anything in a person that the Devi's adore?

The OP quotes Jesus saying to not resist the evil person. But if this is used to condemn the soldier then it should also be used to condemn to policeman. And also we should condemn the homeowner who defends his home from a home invader. Imagine a country that has no soldiers. They would be defenseless from any invasion.
 
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Amen! In Matthew 8:5-13, Jesus praised a soldier's faith. Now, why would our Llord would praise anything in a person that the Devi's adore?
I think you missed the reality.

The demons and the devil LOVE THE MILITARY and LOVE SOLDIERS willing to kill others. (and rob, and rape, and pillage....) Often many of them together committing atrocities .... "WITH APPROVAL" of the commanding officers and authorities over them (who are often doing the same, first, and worse) ...
 
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Our war is not with those lost men, who Jesus came to save,

Our war is in the heavenlies, against demons in array.

The battle is not ours to win, we fight evil unafraid,

And oppose the Devil and his hordes, in a closet as we pray.


Remember Jesus and His men, who all died forever blessed,

Who put aside all worldly arms, and in Spirit they found rest.

That I totally agree with. :) I do not believe it is the Christian's place to fight and kill. I admire a soldier who acts with honor, and makes the sacrifice to fight where I as a pacifist am reluctant to, but if war is all a game to them and they act like it is easy (and in extreme cases even "fun") to kill America's enemies, then I have no respect for such a person, especially if they claim the Slaughtered Lamb as their Lord, Who, by sheer contrast to Peter's enthusiasm to strike at Jesus' captors when he lopped off one man's ear, called His followers to put away their swords.
 
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I think you missed the reality.

The demons and the devil LOVE THE MILITARY and LOVE SOLDIERS willing to kill others. (and rob, and rape, and pillage....) Often many of them together committing atrocities .... "WITH APPROVAL" of the commanding officers and authorities over them (who are often doing the same, first, and worse) ...

But would it not be better to have Christians in the military so that they can be salt in the military? Do we want everyone in the military to be men who are living in darkness, whom God has given them over to a depraved mind? No! We need true men of God who refuse to rob, rape, and pillage - who speak out when they see these atrocities! We need commanding officers and authorities who know that they will have to give an account to the Judge of all earth. We need men in the armed forces who have a right fear of God! May God help us if our military is filled only with atheists and heathen!
 
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Rom 13
1 Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves.

The implication of the OP is that soldiers serve Satan.

This would suggest governing authorities are Satanic.

The bible does not support this.
 
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Jesus at one point told His followers to buy swords. We have not lost the right of self-defense. We may choose to lay that right down when a greater good is thereby served, but that is not a law written in stone.

I'm grateful for the right to defend myself in an appropriate way. I'm grateful that individuals have been able to stop some terrible tragedies in churches because they were willing and able to confront the evil perpetrator. The soldier is, essentially, simply an extension to the political realm of the right of self-defense. And indeed, Scripture explicitly gives the state the right to bear the sword, and says it is God's agent of righteousness in doing so.
 
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But would it not be better to have Christians in the military so that they can be salt in the military?
This is an entirely different question. Usually no. Most people do not have the discipline to resist doing evil in the military. Instead of salt, they turn worldly, rather easily.
 
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This is an entirely different question. Usually no. Most people do not have the discipline to resist doing evil in the military. Instead of salt, they turn worldly, rather easily.

I just met one who returned from the Middle East.

He had a powerful testimony and was on the front line.

Here he is singing...

 
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Jesus at one point told His followers to buy swords. We have not lost the right of self-defense. We may choose to lay that right down when a greater good is thereby served, but that is not a law written in stone.

I'm grateful for the right to defend myself in an appropriate way. I'm grateful that individuals have been able to stop some terrible tragedies in churches because they were willing and able to confront the evil perpetrator. The soldier is, essentially, simply an extension to the political realm of the right of self-defense. And indeed, Scripture explicitly gives the state the right to bear the sword, and says it is God's agent of righteousness in doing so.


You are correct, Jesus did tell His followers to get swords and they answered "we have two" and Jesus said that is enough. The question is, enough for what? The answer to that question is easy if you read the entire context and not just the simple statement. Immediately before He said that He said this: "It is necessary that all prophecy be fulfilled concerning Me." It is then that He asked about the swords. So, what was the prophecy that was still unfulfilled? It was the prophecy of Jesus being associated with criminals. When Peter took the sword and used it against the state by attacking the High Priest's servant they became criminals. That is what the sword was for, to fulfill prophecy as Jesus said. After this point we never again hear of the Apostles or disciples owning or using swords. Jesus was not telling His followers that it is okay to kill an attacker. If that was the case there would have been ample opportunity for His followers to do just that but they all willingly gave up their lives as an example for us to follow just as they had followed the example of Jesus. You do have the right to defend your family according to the state but not according to Jesus; who are you going to follow? What the state does has no bearing on believers who follow Jesus.
 
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Imagine a country that has no soldiers. They would be defenseless from any invasion.
Imagine a lamb or sheep in the midst of wolves....... who defends the lamb/sheep ?


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“Look, I’m sending you as sheep among wolves. Therefore, be wise as snakes and innocent as doves.
CJB
“Pay attention! I am sending you out like sheep among wolves, so be as prudent as snakes and as harmless as doves.
CEV
I am sending you like lambs into a pack of wolves. So be as wise as snakes and as innocent as doves.
 
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You do have the right to defend your family according to the state but not according to Jesus;
Actually, I have the right to defend my family according to the state but not according to SteveIndy. And nowhere does Jesus remove that right.
 
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Rom 12
1 Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves.

The implication of the OP is that soldiers serve Satan.

This would suggest governing authorities are Satanic.

The bible does not support this.


No one is saying that we should not obey the governing authorities, unless they require us to do something which has been forbidden, like taking another human life. Peter and John made this plain when they were entering the temple to worship and on their way healed a cripple man. They were put in jail and commanded, by the authorities, not to preach anymore, and their answer is the same that all Christians should be, “Do you think God wants us to obey you rather than him?" Did Peter oppose the ordinance of God? Did Peter receive condemnation upon himself? The answer is NO, he was not condemned he did the right thing just as you and I should disobey the authorities when they ask an unGodly thing of us like killing our enemies when it has been forbidden by God Himself. Now the ball is in your court. Will you obey the state or the One you call LORD?
 
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