On his own, man is totally unable to believe in the gospel

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God does not regenerate anyone to be humble; rather, God saves those who humble themselves and believe in Jesus at the hearing of the Gospel.

The humble only receive the Spirit to indwell them after they believe in Jesus as the hearing of the Gospel and the conviction and drawing of the Holy Spirit.

Most people will resist the Gospel and the drawing of the Spirit. But those who believe are the ones actually drawn to Christ.
and as written, even the very desire to seek Christ, to know and to find God and His Kingdom,
is a GIFT, graciously from God..... not instead of someone's willing obedience (still by grace), not oppressing someone's will, but wonderfully working out their salvation as they are willingly and joyously and wholeheartedly agreeing with God and being a doer of His Word, not just a hearer.
 
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BCsenior: So, you believe in the old Arminian fashion:
the elect are chosen because they choose to believe!
And, you obviously do NOT believe that:
they are UNABLE in any way to choose to believe.

This totally looks like it comes from a very biased source,
so there's no way to properly reply to it. And it is wrong.
And your beliefs are not biased in any way?
Here we have another one, folks ...
who thinks he is not biased, but knows everything.

Have I missed something re: someone actually addressing
the reasons in the OP about WHY man (on his/her own)
is unable (or able) to believe in Jesus and His gospel?
 
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Jesus brought us a culture of the Kingdom counter to the culture of man. To accept one is to give up the other. For most people brainwashed since birth to accept the culture of man, the choice is not often an easy one, especially for those who fail to see the wisdom of one over the other. It is that wisdom and realisation that there is an option, which triggers the change. Where it comes from is questioned, but I can guarantee it does not come from the world of man.
 
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The “New Creation” only comes by being ‘IN Christ.’
We are IN Christ when His Spirit indwells us (Ephesians 1:13-14).
IMO, we NO longer remain "in Christ", If we insist on habitually sinning!
Last year, I had several NT verses about the Spirit leaving believers!

Galatians 5:4 ... Do these Jewish Christians who have
been estranged from Christ, and have fallen from grace,
still have the Holy Spirit indwelling them?
Are they still "in Christ"?

Hebrews 10:36-39 ... Do "those" who draw back to perdition
still have the Holy Spirit indwelling them?
Are they still "in Christ"?

Revelation 21:8 ... Can this be describing BACs?
Can these (other than the "unbelieving") be BACs,
who actually are indulging in habitual sin
(or in the case of murder, maybe just did it one-time)?

Now, someone will be saying ...
"BACs wouldn't be caught dead indulging in habitual sin!"
Dream on.
 
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Oh, I'm sorry ... several guys very recently have challenged me
about my statements that heathens/non-believers are unable
to choose to believe in Jesus and His gospel.
Does it make sense to you now?

You neglected this seminal scripture:

No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them -- John 6:44

So it is true that nobody can believe the gospel totally "on his own." The Father must enable him.

But you're wrong because everyone is a non-believer until the Father enables him.
 
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God's choice of whom he saves is purely arbitrary. All are wicked without any quality whatsoever.

I also don't think you know what "arbitrary" means, if you make a statement like that.

Just because you don't know God's reasons and can't follow His logic doesn't mean He has no logic or reasons.
 
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I also don't think you know what "arbitrary" means, if you make a statement like that.

Just because you don't know God's reasons and can't follow His logic doesn't mean He has no logic or reasons.
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and as written, even the very desire to seek Christ, to know and to find God and His Kingdom,
is a GIFT, graciously from God..... not instead of someone's willing obedience (still by grace), not oppressing someone's will, but wonderfully working out their salvation as they are willingly and joyously and wholeheartedly agreeing with God and being a doer of His Word, not just a hearer.

The humble will desire what God has to offer through the Gospel, for God has chosen to save the humble and has designed the Gospel to be desired by the humble.

Lord Jesus was sent by the Father to preach the Gospel to the humble and poor in Spirit to fulfill God's promise to them - and they will listen...

Isaiah 61:1-2 (WEB)
(Jesus applied this prophecy to himself)
1 The Lord Yahweh’s Spirit is on me; because Yahweh has anointed me to preach good news to the humble. He has sent me to bind up the broken hearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and release to those who are bound;
2 to proclaim the year of Yahweh’s favor, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all who mourn

All through the Scriptures we are taught that God favors the humble, but He resists the proud.

The Gospel was designed to draw only the simple and humble of this world to Christ - for God has mercy on the humble.

Luke 10 (WEB) 21 In that same hour Jesus rejoiced in the Holy Spirit, and said, “I thank you, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that you have hidden these things from the wise and understanding, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for so it was well-pleasing in your sight.”

The proud will have not room in their heart for what God has to offer all people through the Gospel.

God is gracious in providing all that is necessary for our salvation. And God is graciously inviting all people to repent and come to Lord Jesus to be saved through the Gospel message and the convicting/drawing work of the Spirit.

Those who do not resist the Gospel and the Spirit's drawing will be saved, receiving the Spirit of God to give their continued faith victory over sin as they follow Christ Jesus and walk by His Spirit.

Romans 8:12-13 (NIV)
12 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. 13 For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live.

Galatians 6:7-9 (NIV)
7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked.
A man reaps what he sows.
8 Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. 9 Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest IF we do not give up.

Romans 11:19 You (talking to each individual Christian) will say then, “Branches (plural - not nations of Israel but actual people) were broken off so that I (talking to individuals) could be grafted in.”
20 Granted. But they (plural for Jews) were broken off because of unbelief, and you (individual Christians) stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches (plural for Jews), he will not spare you (the Christian he is talking to) either.
22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.
  • Branches are individuals.
  • Gentiles are included by faith.
Romans 11:25... Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles (Plural individual believers) has come in.

No Gentile nations here. And their is only one Israel, not many Israels.
  • Gentiles are grafted in by faith,
  • but must remain faithful
  • or be cut off for not remaining faithful.
  • That is why we must be afraid
Hebrews 10:26-30 (NIV)
26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. 28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
29 How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished
  • who has trampled the Son of God underfoot,
  • who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them,
  • and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” and again, “The Lord will judge His people.”

Notice that the object of more severe punishment were saved because they were "sanctified by the blood of the covenant" and they insulted the Spirit of grace. And, the Lord will judge HIS people (vs 30)

YOU are responsible to:
• to put to death the misdeeds of the body to live: Rom 8:12-13
• offer ourselves as slaves to righteousness leading to holiness, and results in Eternal Life: Rom 6:18-19
• to live by and walk by the Spirit we receive so we won't fulfill the lusts of the flesh: Gal 5:16
• to sow to the Spirit to reap eternal life: Gal 6:8-9
• to live by the Spirit to fulfill the requirements of the whole law: Rom 8:3-4
• to take off the old self and to put on new self: Eph 4:24-25; Col 3:9-10
• to abstain from reaping to the flesh so we may enter the Kingdom of God: 1 Cor 6:7-10; Eph 5:1-6
• to live as slaves to God by which we reap holiness leading to eternal life: Rom 6:22 . .

Hebrews 3:12-13 (NIV)
12 See to it, brothers and sisters, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God. 13 But encourage one another daily, as long as it is called “Today,” so that none of you may be hardened by sin’s deceitfulness. 14 We have come to share in Christ, IF indeed we hold our original conviction firmly to the very end.

God delights in our obedient faith and required this faith of you to be saved, We only receive the Holy Spirit, and are saved, by an obedient faith.

The Spirit will not believe for you
The Spirit will not remain faithful for you


The Scripture instruction makes clear that the responsibility is on the born again Christian to live by the Spirit, not that the Spirit does the work for you:

Your living faith must necessarily lead to obedience if that faith is truly genuine...

Romans 1:5 (NIV)
5 Through him we received grace and apostleship to call all the Gentiles to the obedience that comes from faith for his name’s sake.

Romans 6:16 (NIV)
16 Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey — whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?

Romans 16:25-27 (NIV)
25 Now to him who is able to establish you in accordance with my gospel, the message I proclaim about Jesus Christ, in keeping with the revelation of the mystery hidden for long ages past, 26 but now revealed and made known through the prophetic writings by the command of the eternal God, so that all the Gentiles might come to the obedience that comes from faith— 27 to the only wise God be glory forever through Jesus Christ! Amen.

Hebrews 5:8-10 (NIV)
8 Son though he was, he learned obedience from what he suffered 9 and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him

Matthew 28:19-20 (NIV)
19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.

John 14:21 (NIV)
21 Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”

John 14:23 (NIV)
23 Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.

1 John 2:4 (NIV)
4 Whoever says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person.

Romans 6:22
22 But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life.

The Spirit is only received by obeying Christ Jesus (an obedient faith)...

Acts 5 (WEB) 32 We are His witnesses of these things; and so also is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him.

John 14:15-17 (NIV)
15 “If you love me, keep my commands. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth.

After you receive the Spirit by an obedient faith, then You are:
  • obligated
  • to put to death the misdeeds of the body,
  • to live by, walk in,
  • to reap to the Holy Spirit to be saved and
  • set free from sin...
Romans 8:12-13
12 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. 13 For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live.

Up to you to walk by the Spirit you received by faith

Galatians 5:24-25 (WEB)
24 Those who belong to Christ have crucified the flesh with its passions and lusts. 25 If we live by the Spirit, let’s also walk by the Spirit.

Up to you to sow to the Spirit you received by faith to reap life

Galatians 6:8 (WEB) 8 For he who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption. But he who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.

Up to you to walk in the Spirit you received by faith

Galatians 5:16 (WEB)
16 But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you won’t fulfill the lust of the flesh.

You must live according to the Spirit you received by faith

Romans 8:3-4 (NIV)
3 For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

James 1:12-15
12 Blessed is the man who endures temptation, for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life, which the Lord promised to those who love him.
13 Let no man say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God,” for God can’t be tempted by evil, and he himself tempts no one. 14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own lust, and enticed. 15 Then the lust, when it has conceived, bears sin; and the sin, when it is full grown, produces death. 16 Don’t be deceived, my beloved brothers.
 
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Man is …
• a spiritual idiot … just consider the historical variety of religions, cults, sects, etc.
• spiritually blind and deaf …
Matthew 13:13-15, John 12:39-40, Ephesians 4:18
• unable to understand the things of God (they are foolishness to him) …
1 Corinthians 2:14
• sees the gospel as utter foolishness … 1 Corinthians 1:18
• unable to believe the truth of the gospel because it is veiled … 2 Corinth 3:14-16, 2 Corinth 4:3

Man is …
• blinded by Satan …
Acts 26:18, 2 Corinthians 4:3-4
• controlled (ruled) by Satan … John 12:31, John 14:30, John 16:11;
2 Corinthians 4:4, 1 John 5:19, Acts 26:18, Ephesians 2:2

• deceived by Satan …
Revelation 12:9, John 8:44, 2 Corinthians 11:14
• a captive of Satan (unto death) …
Hebrews 2:14-15, Luke 4:18, 2 Timothy 2:26, Ephesians 4:8

Man is …
• unable to be saved by his own desire or works … Romans 9:16, Ephesians 2:8-9
• only able to be saved by the grace and mercy of God … Ephesians 2:8-9, Titus 3:4-7
• not allowed to choose; God chooses only whomever He pleases … Romans 9:9-24


Man is …
• born with an inherited sin nature …
requires a separate thread to list the many verses!
• spiritually dead in his sins …
Ephesians 2:1-5, Colossians 2:13, Romans 4:17,
1 Corinthians 1:9-10, 1 Peter 4:6, Revelation 3:1
• a captive to the law of sin and death … Romans 8:2, Romans 8:6
• a slave of sin … John 8:34, Romans 6:12-22, Galatians 4:7
• an enemy of God … Romans 8:7

But then Paul writes,

Romans 1:18-23
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God has shown it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse
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21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

If every lost person is utterly without the capacity to know God and understand the Gospel, then they can't be held at all responsible for not choosing to be saved. You wouldn't curse a blind person for not being able to see, nor punish a deaf person for not being able to hear. Doing so would be cruel and perverse; they cannot help their deafness or blindness. But this isn't the situation Paul describes above. He indicates very clearly that, generally, all people know that God is but "suppress the truth in unrighteousness." And so Paul says all the lost are "without excuse." They know God but refuse to glorify Him and be thankful to Him but turn instead to the worship of other, lesser, created things.

So, there is at least a basic awareness of God all people possess, some fundamental sense of God's "eternal power and Godhead," and therefore God holds all people responsible for what they do with that awareness.

Now, as the verses you pointed out explain, there is an insurmountable number of serious impediments that make it impossible for a lost person to move toward God entirely of their own accord. But it is a mistake, I think, to do as the Calvinist does and so emphasize the barriers to faith under which the lost labour that they no longer bear any real responsibility for their lost state.

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BCsenior: "heathens/non-believers are unable
to choose to believe in Jesus and His gospel."


... you're wrong because everyone is a non-believer until the Father enables him.
Since everyone who is a non-believer are "heathens/non-believers" until the Father enables him.
Are you with me?
 
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IMO, we NO longer remain "in Christ", If we insist on habitually sinning!
Last year, I had several NT verses about the Spirit leaving believers!

Galatians 5:4 ... Do these Jewish Christians who have
been estranged from Christ, and have fallen from grace,
still have the Holy Spirit indwelling them?
Are they still "in Christ"?

Hebrews 10:36-39 ... Do "those" who draw back to perdition
still have the Holy Spirit indwelling them?
Are they still "in Christ"?

Revelation 21:8 ... Can this be describing BACs?
Can these (other than the "unbelieving") be BACs,
who actually are indulging in habitual sin
(or in the case of murder, maybe just did it one-time)?

Now, someone will be saying ...
"BACs wouldn't be caught dead indulging in habitual sin!"
Dream on.

Greetings

You are correct. Our salvation is only guaranteed by God by remaining faithful to the end of our lives.

Blessings
 
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But then Paul writes, Romans 1:18-23
This is talking about unbelievers refusing to acknowledge the existence of God.
It's NOT about people who do NOT believe in Jesus and His foolish gospel.
Jesus and His gospel are NOT obvious in the heavens, in nature, and in men's consciences.
 
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This is talking about unbelievers refusing to acknowledge the existence of God.
It's NOT about people who do NOT believe in Jesus and His foolish gospel.
Jesus and His gospel are NOT obvious in the heavens, in nature, and in men's consciences.

I am thinking the two groups you mention are one and the same. Those who refuse to acknowledge God so they can continue to live sinful lives are those who love to remain in darkness, and so will refuse to listen the Gospel and will resist the Spirit and His drawing.

John 3:16-21 (NIV)
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. 19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. 21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God.

Romans 2:5-16 (NIV)
5 But
because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. 6 God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” 7 To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. 8 But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. 9 There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; 10 but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. 11 For God does not show favoritism.
12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14
(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.
 
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I am thinking the two groups you mention are one and the same.
Those who refuse to acknowledge God so they can continue
to live sinful lives are those who love to remain in darkness,
and so will refuse to listen the Gospel and will resist the Spirit and His drawing.
I see some merit in your reasoning! ... Butski ...
I know a lady (71) who occasionally mentions the possibility of there being "a higher power".
I see this as being way far lacking in what is required to believe in Jesus and His foolish gospel.

What do you say to this? ...
Several people (whose sincerity I trust) have told me that ...
they have tried hard to believe, but they just CANNOT.
What happened to the free-will CHOICE to believe?
 
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This is talking about unbelievers refusing to acknowledge the existence of God.
It's NOT about people who do NOT believe in Jesus and His foolish gospel.
Jesus and His gospel are NOT obvious in the heavens, in nature, and in men's consciences.

Does the Bible not say that the Gospel is itself "the power of God unto salvation to every one who believes"? Yes, it does. (Romans 1:16) In fact, this is the immediate context of the passage I quoted in my last post about people "suppressing the truth in unrighteousness." So, yes, Romans 1:18-23 is about the Gospel and the response of the lost to it. And, no, the lost are not utterly unable to comprehend the Gospel.

My Grandpa was a pastor for fifty years + and would sometimes tell the story of a fellow pastor who, after pastoring for decades, leading people to Christ, and preaching the Gospel from the pulpit, when he heard my grandfather preach a message of revival, came under tremendous spiritual conviction, realizing that he had never himself been truly saved (which he immediately rectified)!

I don't believe, then, that the lost cannot understand (and even promote) the Gospel. I have had atheists and religious false converts explain the Gospel to me very well. What they cannot comprehend is its value, its supernatural power, nor can they fully submit themselves to it. But they most certainly can, and do, grasp and believe - intellectually - the core tenets of the Gospel.
 
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I don't believe, then, that the lost cannot understand (and even promote) the Gospel.
I have had atheists and religious false converts explain the Gospel to me very well.
What they cannot comprehend is its value, its supernatural power, nor can they submit themselves to it.
But they most certainly can, and do, grasp - intellectually - the core tenets of the Gospel.
aiki strikes again ...
This is all about intellectually believing in the gospel.
Who's talking about the lost not intellectually understanding the gospel?
C'mon.
 
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I see some merit in your reasoning! ... Butski ...
I know a lady (71) who occasionally mentions the possibility of there being "a higher power".
I see this as being way far lacking in what is required to believe in Jesus and His foolish gospel.

What do you say to this? ...
Several people (whose sincerity I trust) have told me that ...
they have tried hard to believe, but they just CANNOT.
What happened to the free-will CHOICE to believe?

Greetings.

Regarding your question.....

Many sincerely believe in Jesus and the Gospel, and try hard to believe, but they cannot commit because they are not willing to give up their slavery to the sinful lusts of the flesh...

Consider the rich man whom Jesus loved, but unfortunately, the rich man was not willing to part with his riches to follow Christ Jesus.

Counting the Cost

Jesus taught, we must count the cost of inheriting the Kingdom of God. And the cost is our lives - to give up our lives controlled by selfish ambition of our sinful natures and, by that same faith, to listen to and follow Jesus into a life of Love.

Matthew 13 (WEB) 44 “Again, the Kingdom of Heaven is like a treasure hidden in the field, which a man found, and hid. In his joy, he goes and sells all that he has, and buys that field.
45 “Again, the Kingdom of Heaven is like a man who is a merchant seeking fine pearls, 46 who having found one pearl of great price, he went and sold all that he had, and bought it.

Luke 14:27-35
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Whoever doesn’t bear his own cross, and come after me, can’t be my disciple. 28 For which of you, desiring to build a tower, doesn’t first sit down and count the cost, to see if he has enough to complete it? .... 33 So therefore whoever of you who doesn’t renounce all that he has, he can’t be my disciple. 34 Salt is good, but if the salt becomes flat and tasteless, with what do you season it? 35 It is fit neither for the soil nor for the manure pile. It is thrown out. He who has ears to hear, let him hear.”

Notice that Lord Jesus never taught that God will do it for you, that God will believe for you. Rather, Lord Jesus put the responsibility for repenting and following Him squarely on each individual. No exceptions.
 
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Many sincerely believe in Jesus and the Gospel, and try hard to believe, but they cannot commit because they are not willing to give up their slavery to the sinful lusts of the flesh...
They just said they cannot believe, and nothing else ... so I don't really know.
 
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aiki strikes again ...
This is all about intellectually believing in the gospel.
Who's talking about the lost not intellectually understanding the gospel?
C'mon.

Where do you clarify in your OP that you have ruled out this sort of belief?
 
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