Call transcript already Exonerates Trump

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Yeshua, if the idea is good, democracy is good. God never said just because people misuse democracy it's bad. Until you show me the exact phrase "democracy is evil" from the Bible itself, you have no basis for a claim that democracy is evil.
 
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Because democracy did not exist then, obviously God never said it is evil.

If you think the only good government is theocracy, move to Vatican City, where there is nothing to do in the entire nation except go to a museum, garden, and church.
 
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We haven't actually heard any testimony from anyone.

Congress has :

Q: And when you say that, this was the first time I heard that the security assistance—not just the White House meeting—was conditioned on the investigation, when you talk about conditioned, did you mean that if they didn’t do this, the investigations, they weren’t going to get that, the meeting and the military assistance?
A: That was my clear understanding, security assistance money would not come until the President [of Ukraine] committed to pursue the investigation.
Q: So if they don’t do this, they are not going to get that was your understanding?
A: Yes, sir.
Q: Are you aware that quid pro quo literally means this for that?
A: I am.
 
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Yeah, that's already been explained a number of times. No point in explaining it again if you haven't seen it by now.
And yet some people still insist on telling people that it is a full transcript, or that the fact that things have been left out of the released memo is speculation.
 
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Oh come on, you have to know that conversations with foreign leaders are classified. The phone calls, meeting etc are not put in open servers. They have be specifically stamped as unclassified. And there needs to be a review of the situation first and make sure there aren't any national security or national secrets revieled. By Trump unclassifying this it went through the process first and there was a specific reason it was released. These types of conversations aren't automatically unclassified.

Most of what you claim here is false. The one truth, that the conversations are not put on open servers, but that doesn't mean classified servers. Calls are not classified and then unclassified, instead, they are evaluated prior to being placed on a server and classified only if classified information is present on the call -- and having classified information on a call of this type is rare.

There is a White House server that is specifically used for calls with foreign heads of state. Naturally, access to the server is limited -- though it still allows many in the White House and State Department to access the call transcripts, those that need to know what was stated as part of their job. To limit access does not require the call to be Classified.

Only if the call actually contained classified information is it put on a classified server. This call was classified to limit the number of people that could see it -- only a very small number of people, essentially top White House personnel, were able to see this transcript.
 
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Most of what you claim here is false. The one truth, that the conversations are not put on open servers, but that doesn't mean classified servers. Calls are not classified and then unclassified, instead, they are evaluated prior to being placed on a server and classified only if classified information is present on the call -- and having classified information on a call of this type is rare.

There is a White House server that is specifically used for calls with foreign heads of state. Naturally, access to the server is limited -- though it still allows many in the White House and State Department to access the call transcripts, those that need to know what was stated as part of their job. To limit access does not require the call to be Classified.

Only if the call actually contained classified information is it put on a classified server. This call was classified to limit the number of people that could see it -- only a very small number of people, essentially top White House personnel, were able to see this transcript.
You just said what I said. The calls are not automatically unclassified. They don't start that way. They will start as classified until review and then have a status assigned. The fact that there is a special server for phone calls with foreign heads of state makes that call classified. And there are different types of classification. One can be Top Secret. So calls to foreign heads of state are classified. But different classifications can be assigned.
 
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Phone calls to foreign leaders on matters Of state and policy, negotiations etc, should be classified.

The president has ultimate authority when it comes to matters of state and foreign policy.
Subject, in some instances, to the advice and consent of the Senate.
 
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And yet some people still insist on telling people that it is a full transcript, or that the fact that things have been left out of the released memo is speculation.

And we also have people pointing out things in the transcript such as the elipses (...) that "MUST" mean something is being hidden or left out because there's something to hide. However, just a bit of research is all it takes to understand otherwise. You won't hear that in the MSM reports though: https://www.gmrtranscription.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/use-of-ellipse-in-transcription.pdf
 
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And we also have people pointing out things in the transcript such as the elipses (...) that "MUST" mean something is being hidden or left out because there's something to hide

Yes. In this case, specifically, the people are decorated military veterans with a history of dedicated service in the US government. And they know this because they were on the calls and know what was left out.
 
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And yet some people still insist on telling people that it is a full transcript, or that the fact that things have been left out of the released memo is speculation.

Nobody who makes that claim has seen otherwise. Therefore, it is speculation.
 
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Yes. In this case, specifically, the people are decorated military veterans with a history of dedicated service in the US government. And they know this because they were on the calls and know what was left out.

The 5 note-takers were on the call as well. Are you saying they're all liars?
 
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