Can God reverse time?

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God didn't stop time, he stopped the sun (technically the rotation of the earth). If he did, then Joshua and all the men in war would have froze in time too.
No. He stopped the sun. The thought that "technically the rotation of the earth" was stopped is not in line with any Scripture at all, and has been proven un-neccessary also. fwiw, it might still be available online - the 'proof' related by Einstein and other of the world's best mathematicians/scientist which most believers and most unbelievers will never agree with. (the truth is never popular) (in the world).
 
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No. He stopped the sun. The thought that "technically the rotation of the earth" was stopped is not in line with any Scripture at all, and has been proven un-neccessary also. fwiw, it might still be available online - the 'proof' related by Einstein and other of the world's best mathematicians/scientist which most believers and most unbelievers will never agree with. (the truth is never popular) (in the world).

Let me know if you find this online...
 
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Let me know if you find this online...
I saw it online a few years ago.
It took too much time to find it then, so I probably won't look for it again.
(no one disputed it, not even NASA/ Pastors/ etc .... the math is math.... world's top demonstrated it clearly to everyone, and Einstein and the others, in this, AGREED WITH ONE ANOTHER! (it was not as if not proven, or not a fact) )

Since it agreed with the BIBLE, I agreed with it also.
 
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2 Kings 20: 9-10 "Isaiah answered, this is the Lord's sign to you that the Lord will do what he promised: shall the shadow for forward 10 steps, or shall it go back 10? It is a simple matter for the shadow to go forward 10 steps, said Hezekiah. Rather, have it go back 10.

Time is not reversing here. The sun is.

God cannot do the impossible. Omnipotence is the ability to do everything that is possible. For example, God cannot make himself cease to exist. God cannot count to the last number, draw a 4-sided triangle, etc. These things are impossible.

As such, the important question here is: is reversing time possible? If not, God cannot do it.
 
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Sorry, who is Apollos?

God has the power to do anything.

God bless.

He has the power to not have any cause to reverse what He perfectly planned.
Even Jesus was sad about people who died, but He understood it was the Fathers will.
 
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Is creating something out of nothing impossible? Rom 4:17

Depends on how you define "nothing". Utter nothingness is called non-existence. This means literally nothing exists - no space, no energy, no darkness, no vacuum, etc. It is impossible to even imagine it.

Since non-existence does not exist, I'm not sure how God could create something "out of" it. Do you believe God is omnipresent? If so, that means his presence is everywhere (with no exceptions). Non-existence and existence (of any kind) cannot co-exist.

In this sense of the word "nothing". No, God cannot create something out if nothing. God is always creating WITHIN existence.

As for the passage you quote. God can create things that have never "been". This does not mean that the substance of those things wasn't already in existence. The form and arrangement of the substance is in mind.

A potter creates a pot that never existed before, but the clay was there already.
 
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Depends on how you define "nothing". Utter nothingness is called non-existence. This means literally nothing exists - no space, no energy, no darkness, no vacuum, etc. It is impossible to even imagine it.

Since non-existence does not exist, I'm not sure how God could create something "out of" it. Do you believe God is omnipresent? If so, that means his presence is everywhere (with no exceptions). Non-existence and existence (of any kind) cannot co-exist.

In this sense of the word "nothing". No, God cannot create something out if nothing. God is always creating WITHIN existence.

As for the passage you quote. God can create things that have never "been". This does not mean that the substance of those things wasn't already in existence. The form and arrangement of the substance is in mind.

A potter creates a pot that never existed before, but the clay was there already.

Understand your take on this but don't agree...

I believe that He dwells outside of time and space.

This is beyond the created dimension.

From there He does indeed create something from what was nothing at all in the created dimension. The belief that He can do this is fundamental to faith. We are a new creation, not a rearrangement or revamping of the old.

Likewise the resurrection of Jesus is a bodily resurrection but in the process is transformed into a totally new state of being and not just a perfection of the old.
 
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Understand your take on this but don't agree...

I believe that He dwells outside of time and space.

This is beyond the created dimension.

From there He does indeed create something from what was nothing at all in the created dimension. The belief that He can do this is fundamental to faith. We are a new creation, not a rearrangement or revamping of the old.

Likewise the resurrection of Jesus is a bodily resurrection but in the process is transformed into a totally new state of being and not just a perfection of the old.

Please define what "nothing" means to you. I am having a hard to following this line of thought.

I am positing that nothing is outside of God. Everything that exists (or could ever exist) came directly from God...not utter nothingness.
 
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OK God dwells in eternity which has no time or space.

I define nothing as with respect to only the created order.

Before His Word created anything nothing was created.

His first creative command began both chronology and matter.

God's ability to do this - to be creative, to indeed cause new matter to appear or indeed time to change is fundamental to faith.

In this He has also put a time and space barrier inside of each person and caused eternity to dwell there (Ecc3:11)

So He is not bound by or limited by in any way to the created order.
 
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OK God dwells in eternity which has no time or space.

I define nothing as with respect to only the created order.

Before His Word created anything nothing was created.

His first creative command began both chronology and matter.

God's ability to do this - to be creative, to indeed cause new matter to appear or indeed time to change is fundamental to faith.

In this He has also put a time and space barrier inside of each person and caused eternity to dwell there (Ecc3:11)

So He is not bound by or limited by in any way to the created order.

You still have not defined "nothing". Let me try to parse this out.

I think we agree on these three premises:

1. God has always existed. He is eternal.
2. God encompasses ALL of existence. He is omnipresent.
3. The universe (the created dimension) is temporal. It had a beginning.

I think you are stumbling to fully understand this point:

4. God did not create the universe out of nothing.

The word "nothing" is the key term here. I define "nothing" to mean "outside/beyond God's existential sphere". However, since God is omnipresence, nothing can be outside of him. God completely and totally encompasses every region of existence infinity and eternally. There is no such thing as "utter nothingness" or "non-existence".

Colloquially, when we say that the universe "did not exist" before God created it. What we are really saying is that it did not exist in that form before. Take a new born child for example. The moment before conception, that child "not not exist". However, this child did not come from "nothing". Every atom of that child existed beforehand, but they were being utilized differently.

This brings me to me last point:

5. God necessarily had to create the universe out of Himself.

Please show me where my logic is incorrect.
 
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Maybe I did not define nothing to your satisfaction...

Maybe you expect what is, to comply with Logic?

God did create the universe out of nothing if, as I said, we are talking only about the realm in which creation was made. Before He spoke there was nothing there. Defining nothing we are talking about a space occupied with no matter. God is spirit whether He was there is a different issue.

The matter of most importance which is central to faith is that He can create something out of nothing, a matter that you seem to strugge with.
 
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Before He spoke there was nothing there. Defining nothing we are talking about a space occupied with no matter. God is spirit whether He was there is a different issue.

Something was absolutely there. God was there! Also, empty "space" is not "nothing".

The matter of most importance which is central to faith is that He can create something out of nothing, a matter that you seem to strugge with.

I do not struggle with this. I believe God is omnipresent and enteral. This necessarily follows that nothing was or will be outside/beyond God. Pretty simple actually.

Also, why is this of most importance to the faith? The gospel message does not include the notion that God created out of nothing. I would be careful not to add to this message.
 
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Quoting scripture is not a rebuttal. Christians disagree on the interpretation of many passages. As such, you will need to clarify.

Please explain how bringing something into existence requires it to be out of nothing? Does not a potter bring a vase into existence from a lump of clay?
 
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I am not a fan of formal debate...

The clear reading in most translations is that God creates out of nothing.

A corpse in a tomb with no life has no future unless the very breath of God brings life. This is not some rearrangement of dead cells.

The fact that He does this is fundamental to faith.
 
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Can God make it like something never happened (an accident, an abusive situation, a natural disaster, an illness, a death, etc.)?

Here is an off-the-wall example, would God ever choose to wipe the memory of a negative event from all those involved so as to heal them of all signs of the trauma (physical, mental, spiritual) and make it like that negative never occurred (even though it did)?

What do you think? I mean, technically God can do anything, but does He ever choose to reverse time or wipe out the memory of a negative event so He doesn't even need to reverse time?

Time is more of an illusion of evolution of events. You need to have a change to evolve time.

Reversing time isn't actually a thing; it would be more like specially going back to the frame of life you want to go to. Going back in time is possible for humans, even though mainstream science swears it isn't possible


Time is highly misinderstood. Likely, time as humans know it has already been changed dynamically, but on the grand dimensional scheme of things, everything that will happen has already happened - including (futile) time manipulations. The "reversal of time" would only be for the benefit of the incredibly finite created being to perceive actions in different sequences.

The Most High God may allow some things, but He is the One that can make a creation with 100% of the intended consequences without needing trials, or notes. This iteration of Creation has its conclusion already set, so He has no reason to manipulate His naturally Awesome Creation.

Now, entities that run too and fro may do things like the OP - including humans.
 
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Quoting scripture is not a rebuttal. Christians disagree on the interpretation of many passages. As such, you will need to clarify.

Please explain how bringing something into existence requires it to be out of nothing? Does not a potter bring a vase into existence from a lump of clay?

There is something called vacuum, or scalar energy in which you pull energy from tangent dimensions, and bring it to your dimension. Sorcerers, interdimensional entities and some humans utilize this technique.

But, it still isn't something from nothing. The Most High God is an infinite faucet of infinite divergent energy, and an infinite sink of infinite vortex energy. Everything (even nothing) is created by Him.

The life He creates comes from "nowhere" because He is the only author of real Life, and He creates the space for nowhere to exist. Entities have tried necromancy and genetic manipulation, but "electrifying and reanimating" cells is not life. What people think is life in the lab is sufficient activation energy provided to continue bodily processes - not life.

No other entity created can "give" life - a unique spirit that chooses to be holy to the Most High God. The vessel (body) is just a meat sack.
 
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The clear reading in most translations is that God creates out of nothing.

That is not the "clear" reading. If it was, we wouldn't be in disagreement.

A corpse in a tomb with no life has no future unless the very breath of God brings life. This is not some rearrangement of dead cells.

My analogy shouldn't be pushed too far. I was not suggesting that the resurrection of Jesus was physically similar to human conception. I was suggesting that life comes from God (regardless of the medium or substance he chooses to use), not "nothing".

The fact that He does this is fundamental to faith.

I'm not suggesting the resurrection was natural. I am suggesting that supernatural phenomena is "something" in contrast to the supposed "nothing" you keep alluding to.
 
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Everything (even nothing) is created by Him.

Please define "nothing". You just noted that even a vacuum is still "something". Also, please explain how "nothing" can exist. That seems like a contradiction of terms.

The life He creates comes from "nowhere" because He is the only author of real Life, and He creates the space for nowhere to exist.

This simply doesn't make philosophical sense. Do you not believe that life comes from God? Why posit that something came from nothing? This sounds like the same issue secular physicists have concerning the Big Bang. Something can only come from something else.
 
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