The forbidden fruit was a psychedelic?

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Doesn't matter what it sounds like.
The text says Manna, and bread; why in the world does anyone think they have the liberty to change it to mushrooms?

Like I said, Jesus referenced this incident in John 6 and said he is the living bread that comes from heaven - you're not saying that the Son of God is fungus, surely?

Because God works though nature. It's just a fact.
Have you ever seen anyone supernaturally born or struck dead?
Have you ever seen anyone supernaturally healed? If so, what was the time frame?
Was is instant? Or more toward natural?

God planned everything from the beginning of time.
If they needed mushrooms to eat that are usually found in the morning and not the afternoon, then that's what they ate. Not flaky bread sprinkled on the ground by the Keebler elves dripping with dew.

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Psalm 78:23-25
Yet he commanded the skies above and opened the doors of heaven, and he rained down on them manna to eat and gave them the grain of heaven. Man ate of the bread of the angels; he sent them food in abundance.
 
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Like I said, Jesus referenced this incident in John 6 and said he is the living bread that comes from heaven - you're not saying that the Son of God is fungus, surely?

And they were not eating Jesus flakes. The contrast is living bread which the manna was not living, or animated.

Exodus 16
...and the people shall go out and gather a day's portion every day, that I may test them, whether they will walk in my law or not. ”

Always have your mushrooms checked over by an expert.
 
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John 6:49, KJV: "Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead." John 6:49, NASB: "'Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died." John 6:49, NLT: "Your ancestors ate manna in the wilderness, but they all died."

However I suppose there must've been survivors from the 40 years and not simply just descendants?

None of them were Born Again in the Spirit of Christ. So they all died.
 
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Nothing is impossible for God - that doesn't give us the right to change the Biblical text.
Who changed it? Or is it that you just doubt, and push your doubts on others?
Clearly this person is wrong about Jesus being a mushroom. However I cannot entirely dismiss the idea that there may have been some hidden message that goes beyond our average mind relating to the manna. And it could be multiple things, like how Samuel found dew when he asked God something.. So it may have absolutely nothing to do with mushrooms.
Yet it could have to do with mushrooms under a symbolic tone. Yet if it did do you think it would be bluntly said? Why would God's Word NEVER mention something so evident as a psycadelic? Considering there was no word for such a thing at that time in that culture as far as we know? ... What is it?

And I say, if it was mushrooms, which it doesn't have to be.. Are you on a greedy benge to destroy that idea on a man made war against it? ...cause I'd like to just say it doesn't explicitly say it wasn't mushrooms.. And I'm not on mushrooms, nor am I interested in doing them, nor do I care for others to do them. Yet everything happens for a reason.
 
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Nothing is impossible for God - that doesn't give us the right to change the Biblical text.

Evidently, it does.

New Living Translation
All of them ate the same spiritual food,

English Standard Version
and all ate the same spiritual food,

Berean Study Bible
They all ate the same spiritual food

King James Bible
And did all eat the same spiritual meat;

Contemporary English Version
All of them also ate the same spiritual food

Young's Literal Translation
and all the same spiritual food did eat,
 
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Who changed it? Or is it that you just doubt, and push your doubts on others?

If the text says Manna and you're claiming it was mushrooms - that's either a change, an addition or just wishful thinking.

However I cannot entirely dismiss the idea that there may have been some hidden message that goes beyond our average mind relating to the manna. And it could be multiple things, like how Samuel found dew when he asked God something.. So it may have absolutely nothing to do with mushrooms.

I don't see how mushrooms come into it at all.
I have read, studied and heard this passage preached on for over 40 years, and no one has even hinted at mushrooms being involved. The only place I've ever seen that mentioned, is here.

Yet it could have to do with mushrooms under a symbolic tone.

Oh it could - and the Israelites could have gone into a land full of fish and chips, rather than milk and honey.

Yet if it did do you think it would be bluntly said?

Why would God's word not mention something that happened, or mention something hat didn't happen?
It's not there in the text - why read into it and assume?

Why would God's Word NEVER mention something so evident as a psycadelic? Considering there was no word for such a thing at that time in that culture as far as we know? ... What is it?

You are the one who mentioned psychedelics; no one else.
You're trying to make the case for the fruit being a certain substance or a specific kind of food.
The point is that whatever the fruit was, God had commanded Adam and Eve not to eat it.
Eating the fruit was the act of disobedience. Doing what God had told them not to do was the sin that brought sickness and death into the world and caused them to hide from God because they felt guilty.
They did not pick drugs from a tree.

Are you on a greedy benge to destroy that idea on a man made war against it?

No idea what this means.

.cause I'd like to just say it doesn't explicitly say it wasn't mushrooms..

The text doesn't say that it wasn't Chicken Korma, either; but I bet it wasn't.

And I'm not on mushrooms, nor am I interested in doing them, nor do I care for others to do them. Yet everything happens for a reason.

Well maybe you could explain the reason for starting this thread, insisting that the fruit of the tree in the Garden of Eden and the manna from heaven COULD have both been mushrooms?
Because unless you're in possession of some funny mushrooms, or work for the mushroom marketing agency, I can see no reason for it - and no benefit at all to our faith to believe that the text says one thing but actually means something else.
 
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Exodus 16
...and the people shall go out and gather a day's portion every day, that I may test them, whether they will walk in my law or not. ”

Always have your mushrooms checked over by an expert.

:hahaha:
I don't like mushrooms.
 
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:hahaha:
I don't like mushrooms.

I hear you. I love them, but mostly because I had a very good visit at a Canadian mushroom farm. The people were very kind and generous.
 
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Or possibly the forbidden fruit is a tobacco plant that killed off the dinosaurs (hints the overlooked verse of a mystery in the song of Moses.)

The bible calls it [a tree] with fruit,
not a plant.

Not all dinosaurs ate fruit.
What overlooked verse are you alluding to ?

And the tree of life was
the plant healing Colorado?

You think [The forbidden fruit] was psychedelics,
And [Manna] was psychedelic mushrooms,
and that the [tree of life] is a mind-altering drug.

No Marijuana is not the tree of life.
Marijuana

Marijuana has been legalized for recreational use.
Making marijuana legally available is a bad idea.
It's just Getting high on chemical substances.

Marijuana is a potent mind-altering drug that can cause serious harm. Not only has marijuana become much more accessible, it has also become more potent.

Marijuana has both short-term and long-term ramifications on the body. Marijuana use leads to changes in mood, altered senses, and impaired body movement, as well as impaired thinking, memory and problem solving.

Why would legalization of another mind-altering drug the right thing to do? The U.S. is already in the midst of a devastating prescription opioid and heroin crisis. And individuals from all walks of life struggle with the abuse of alcohol and drugs.

The younger the user, the more damage is caused. Marijuana is a psychoactive drug that impairs brain
development, especially for anyone under age 21.

Teenagers who use marijuana experience anxiety, depression and a reduction in thinking, memory and learning functions. Now marijuana is legalized and easily accessible in their own homes.

Marijuana: Effects of Weed on Brain and Body

http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/misc/Yahoo News/20170417_Summary Yahoo News-Marist Poll_Weed and The American Family.pdf

Thinking that marijuana will replace other
addictive substances is plain ignorance.

A study from the National Epidemiological Study of Alcohol Use and Related Disorders found that marijuana use is also linked to other substance abuse.Studys reveal that adults who use marijuana are more likely to develop an “alcohol abuse disorder.”

If an adult already abused alcohol before smoking marijuana, they were at greater risk of their alcohol disorder deteriorating further.
-

What most people call freedom today is really slavery. (2 Peter 2:19; ). God says if you are overcome by something, then you are its slave!

The bible tells us to be sober.
Smoking marijuana is not being sober.

Young men likewise exhort to be sober minded.
Titus 1:8, Titus 2:2, 1 Peter 5:8, 1 Peter 4:7,
1 Thessalonians 5:8, 1 Timothy 3:2, 1 Peter 1:13
Titus 2:6, 1 Thessalonians 5:6, 1 Timothy 3:11

Once again just a guesstimation
for a thousands of year old mystery

A lot of guesstimation going on,
with no bible verses to allude to.

The one tree was the TREE OF LIFE,
the other the TREE OF DEATH.
One is the way of GOD; the other is
the way of SATAN.” It’s that simple!

The tree of life symbolized the way of God,
the law of God, the knowledge of God.

If Adam had eaten from that tree, mankind
could have thrived on the fruits produced by
the tree of life; he would have been given
access to the Spirit of God, and developed
the mind of God. Peace, abundance, joy and
stability could have encompassed the Earth.

The tree of the knowledge of good and evil,
was the tree of Satan—by eating the fruits
created by the spirit of Satan, a spirit of envy,
vanity, self-centered lust that results in sickness,
violence, jealous rage and, ultimately, death.
-

"The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life;
and he that winneth souls is wise."

God says to choice between life and death.
By there fruits you will know them.

Blessed are they that do his commandments,
that they may have right to the tree of life,
and may enter in through the gates into the city.
 
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If the text says Manna and you're claiming it was mushrooms - that's either a change, an addition or just wishful thinking.



I don't see how mushrooms come into it at all.
I have read, studied and heard this passage preached on for over 40 years, and no one has even hinted at mushrooms being involved. The only place I've ever seen that mentioned, is here.



Oh it could - and the Israelites could have gone into a land full of fish and chips, rather than milk and honey.



Why would God's word not mention something that happened, or mention something hat didn't happen?
It's not there in the text - why read into it and assume?



You are the one who mentioned psychedelics; no one else.
You're trying to make the case for the fruit being a certain substance or a specific kind of food.
The point is that whatever the fruit was, God had commanded Adam and Eve not to eat it.
Eating the fruit was the act of disobedience. Doing what God had told them not to do was the sin that brought sickness and death into the world and caused them to hide from God because they felt guilty.
They did not pick drugs from a tree.



No idea what this means.



The text doesn't say that it wasn't Chicken Korma, either; but I bet it wasn't.



Well maybe you could explain the reason for starting this thread, insisting that the fruit of the tree in the Garden of Eden and the manna from heaven COULD have both been mushrooms?
Because unless you're in possession of some funny mushrooms, or work for the mushroom marketing agency, I can see no reason for it - and no benefit at all to our faith to believe that the text says one thing but actually means something else.
To be fair God is my judge.
I never said it was or was not mushrooms.
I never said I was interested in doing mushrooms, nor that I do them.
Manna is translated "what is it?" Not a definitive thing, (infact I can confidently say it was atleast bird and something else based off duteronomy and psalms.)
I do not feel bad about your judgement on me when you clearly are making assumption so nod not reading the posts.
And yes I stand by all that I've said this entire time with no remorse.. I am picking no sides and literally am not wishful thinking as I do not wish that poison on anyone lest they themselves wish to be tested by God.

I do not do it. I am not telling people to do it. Your the one making it out to be a crime for me to even make a simple assumption... Which leads me to believe you might in fact be wrong.. Not because I want it to be true, but because the way you point your finger at me and accuse me with condemnation and rudeness.

I stand innocent for all I did was ask a question. I broke no commandment in doing so. I simply lack understanding. So by all means with your level of wisdom please inform us all of what manna, aka "what is it?" Aka the translation of the word manna, really is.

Because certainly I have come up with atleast 5 possibilities. And have been hated by you for even using the word psycadelic in your presence, and assumed that I am a drug dealer. However truly I am sober...

So please enlighten us...
 
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The bible calls it [a tree] with fruit,
not a plant.

Not all dinosaurs ate fruit.
What overlooked verse are you alluding to ?



You think [The forbidden fruit] was psychedelics,
And [Manna] was psychedelic mushrooms,
and that the [tree of life] is a mind-altering drug.

No Marijuana is not the tree of life.
Marijuana

Marijuana has been legalized for recreational use.
Making marijuana legally available is a bad idea.
It's just Getting high on chemical substances.

Marijuana is a potent mind-altering drug that can cause serious harm. Not only has marijuana become much more accessible, it has also become more potent.

Marijuana has both short-term and long-term ramifications on the body. Marijuana use leads to changes in mood, altered senses, and impaired body movement, as well as impaired thinking, memory and problem solving.

Why would legalization of another mind-altering drug the right thing to do? The U.S. is already in the midst of a devastating prescription opioid and heroin crisis. And individuals from all walks of life struggle with the abuse of alcohol and drugs.

The younger the user, the more damage is caused. Marijuana is a psychoactive drug that impairs brain
development, especially for anyone under age 21.

Teenagers who use marijuana experience anxiety, depression and a reduction in thinking, memory and learning functions. Now marijuana is legalized and easily accessible in their own homes.

Marijuana: Effects of Weed on Brain and Body

http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/misc/Yahoo News/20170417_Summary Yahoo News-Marist Poll_Weed and The American Family.pdf

Thinking that marijuana will replace other
addictive substances is plain ignorance.

A study from the National Epidemiological Study of Alcohol Use and Related Disorders found that marijuana use is also linked to other substance abuse.Studys reveal that adults who use marijuana are more likely to develop an “alcohol abuse disorder.”

If an adult already abused alcohol before smoking marijuana, they were at greater risk of their alcohol disorder deteriorating further.
-

What most people call freedom today is really slavery. (2 Peter 2:19; ). God says if you are overcome by something, then you are its slave!

The bible tells us to be sober.
Smoking marijuana is not being sober.

Young men likewise exhort to be sober minded.
Titus 1:8, Titus 2:2, 1 Peter 5:8, 1 Peter 4:7,
1 Thessalonians 5:8, 1 Timothy 3:2, 1 Peter 1:13
Titus 2:6, 1 Thessalonians 5:6, 1 Timothy 3:11



A lot of guesstimation going on,
with no bible verses to allude to.

The one tree was the TREE OF LIFE,
the other the TREE OF DEATH.
One is the way of GOD; the other is
the way of SATAN.” It’s that simple!

The tree of life symbolized the way of God,
the law of God, the knowledge of God.

If Adam had eaten from that tree, mankind
could have thrived on the fruits produced by
the tree of life; he would have been given
access to the Spirit of God, and developed
the mind of God. Peace, abundance, joy and
stability could have encompassed the Earth.

The tree of the knowledge of good and evil,
was the tree of Satan—by eating the fruits
created by the spirit of Satan, a spirit of envy,
vanity, self-centered lust that results in sickness,
violence, jealous rage and, ultimately, death.
-

"The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life;
and he that winneth souls is wise."

God says to choice between life and death.
By there fruits you will know them.

Blessed are they that do his commandments,
that they may have right to the tree of life,
and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Just one thing to attach to my last post.

There is in fact a difference between sober, and sober-mindedness.

However I consider myself to be both. And if marijuana is so bad how could the forbidden fruit not be its origins?
(Clearly I am picking no sides, because I don't know) however it's clear that this plant with life that grows from a seed was created by God as vegetation.
Who's to even say dinosaurs were not vegetarian before the flood?

You get so angry and hurt because I ask questions... Yet I am not falsely accusing you of anything whatsoever....

I stand innocent of these attacks on me..
 
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grows from a seed ?
Tons of things grow from seed
that is not good for consumption.
Contrary wise marijuana is very healthy to eat as a food let alone hemp, and has many many very beneficial uses like making rope and paper. Or atleast hemp which is just a male marijuana plant.

Honestly your just hating on marijuana because of your own perceived dogma..
Nothing in scripture says marijuana is a bad thing.

Also Jesus turned water into wine and everyone got drunk.

We should be drinking a shot of wine during communion. However people have even changed this cup of moderation to fit their worldly agenda on the fight against alcohol and drugs. When people should simply be conscious on the fact that God made these things, and they are not to be handled in drunkeness like a glutton, but to be used in moderation, giving respects to God with use.

In all thanksgiving with gratitude. Not condemning other people's choice of food.
 
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So by all means with your level of wisdom please inform us all of what manna, aka "what is it?"

The bible says it came from heaven.
That manna was [like] coriander seed,
not shaped like a mushroom.

That Angeles ate manna, but That manna
was not given before the wilderness to man.

"feeding you with manna, which neither
you nor your ancestors had known"

Israel walked forty years in the wilderness.
God tested them to see if they would follow
His Commandments, about His Sabbath day.
Aka manna 6 work days, one rest day.

Not to see if they ate magic mushrooms.
This was food God gave them to eat.
"Yes, they spoke against God: They said,
“Can God prepare a table in the wilderness?

He did not give them fungi and mould to eat.

Then The bible says [the manna stopped]
when they entered the Promise Land.
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You can believe the bible , or make-up
whatever you want to believe, your choice.
 
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I do not feel bad about your judgement on me when you clearly are making assumption so nod not reading the posts.

I am not judging you. What you believe is between you and God; as is your interpretation of his word.

I am at a complete loss to understand your suggestion, and almost insistence, that the manna from heaven could have been mushrooms and the fruit on the tree of good and evil may have been psychedelic.
I don't see anything in the text to suggest, or support, those theories. And I can't for the life of me see how it would increase/build your faith.
So I'm backing out of this thread; I've got far better things to do.

You certainly have some strange ideas; but I don't hate you.
 
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The bible says it came from heaven.
That manna was [like] coriander seed,
not shaped like a mushroom.

That Angeles ate manna, but That manna
was not given before the wilderness to man.

"feeding you with manna, which neither
you nor your ancestors had known"

Israel walked forty years in the wilderness.
God tested them to see if they would follow
His Commandments, about His Sabbath day.
Aka manna 6 work days, one rest day.

Not to see if they ate magic mushrooms.
This was food God gave them to eat.
"Yes, they spoke against God: They said,
“Can God prepare a table in the wilderness?

He did not give them fungi and mould to eat.

,Then The bible says [the manna stopped]
when they entered the Promise Land.
-

You can believe the bible , or make-up
whatever you want to believe, your choice.
Would you say the manna was quite literally the Word of God, and depending on if they followed the commandments He would give them foul to eat later in the day as psalms suggests? : o : )

I am not trying to make things up, I am trying to figure out what's going on without hardening my heart towards what could be based off of educated theories.
Even if I am wrong. Calling me a liar doesn't help. Giving me a logical explanation and correction does help.
 
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Would you say the manna was quite literally the Word of God, and depending on if they followed the commandments He would give them foul to eat later in the day as psalms suggests? : o : )

Manna was physical food in the wilder-
ness. The bible does not say if they
rebelled, he would withhold the foul.

I am not trying to make things up, I am trying to figure out what's going on without hardening my heart towards what could be based off of educated theories. Even if I am wrong.

But it sounds like you are making guesses as to what it is, and no one agrees with you. And you get agitated when others point things out.

Calling me a liar doesn't help.

Where have I called you a liar?
Nowhere was this my intention.

I did however disagree with
your educated theories.

Giving me a logical explanation
and correction does help.

I have been trying to give a logical
explanation on the subjects, using
the bible and not my own interpretation.
 
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Manna was physical food in the wilder-
ness. The bible does not say if they
rebelled, he would withhold the foul.



But it sounds like you are making guesses as to what it is, and no one agrees with you. And you get agitated when others point things out.



Where have I called you a liar?
Nowhere was this my intention.

I did however disagree with
your educated theories.



I have been trying to give a logical
explanation on the subjects, using
the bible and not my own interpretation.
I only get offended at the idea that people claim that I stated things when I questioned and made theories to gain understanding.
 
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