The 'Prosperity Gospel'

Guojing · Nov 6, 2019

timothyu said:
Here's another one I got. And not from another source some proclaim to be more worthy than Jesus.

Mark 10:24 And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!

Which do you trust in.. riches or God? Was Jesus a hypocrite?

I agree. The blessing of the lord makes one rich and he adds no sorrow to it. Proverbs 10:22

timothyu · Nov 6, 2019

Guojing said:
I agree. The blessing of the lord makes one rich and he adds no sorrow to it. Proverbs 10:22

I presume you are not speaking of material riches.

Guojing · Nov 6, 2019

timothyu said:
I presume you are not speaking of material riches.

Under the law (Deuteronomy 28) prosperity is always seen as a blessing and it always includes financial. Likewise financial poverty is always seen as a curse

Only us now would try to separate riches into financial vs spiritual.

Galatians 3, as I have pointed to you before, Paul also speaks of the blessings of Abraham being given to gentiles who put their faith in Jesus.

Surely I don’t need to remind you that Abraham was very rich in silver cattle and gold?

SoLaVeoMiDinDeia · Nov 6, 2019

The doctrine of Christ is the true prosperity gospel.
By it I am the richest man on all the earth.
All my wealth is stored up in heaven.

reformed05 · Nov 8, 2019

A Gerbil said:
It is my belief that Christianity is antithetical to 'Prosperity Theology'. Jesus was born in a stable, raised by a carpenter and never acquired any sort of possessions at all. In fact He encouraged a man to give his possessions to the poor (Matthew 19:21) and of course there's the verse about the camel passing through the eye of a needle (Matthew 19:24), and many more similar verses.

Unfortunately the fastest growing church in my city is one that constantly preaches about money, and how one needs to sow, by giving to the church, in order to reap the financial rewards. Televangelists appear to almost exclusively preach the 'prosperity gospel'.

What are your thoughts, and how would you answer somebody who believed in the 'prosperity gospel'?

to me they are completely focused on the things of this world. The stuff. Plus I think for the most part they are charlatans, preaching a gospel that makes their congregants and followers fork over money to pay for the preacher's gluttonous lifestyle. They have reduced Jesus's purpose in dying in the cross to providing us with prosperity in this life. Disgusting.

Guojing · Nov 8, 2019

reformed05 said:
to me they are completely focused on the things of this world. The stuff. Plus I think for the most part they are charlatans, preaching a gospel that makes their congregants and followers fork over money to pay for the preacher's gluttonous lifestyle. They have reduced Jesus's purpose in dying in the cross to providing us with prosperity in this life. Disgusting.

Do you realized Jesus preached more about finances than heaven and hell combined? For where your treasure is, there your heart be too.

yeshuaslavejeff · Nov 8, 2019

Guojing said:
Under the law (Deuteronomy 28) prosperity is always seen as a blessing and it always includes financial. Likewise financial poverty is always seen as a curse

Only us now would try to separate riches into financial vs spiritual.

Galatians 3, as I have pointed to you before, Paul also speaks of the blessings of Abraham being given to gentiles who put their faith in Jesus.

Surely I don’t need to remind you that Abraham was very rich in silver cattle and gold?

I liked it better before I read this post. Post 166 was good - a valid reminder that we may often forget -
and
apparently it is forgotten that we must give up everything (not just money, but it is included)

if we want to be Jesus' students permanent. (permanent disciple)
....

Jesus directions for "finance", is much different than 95 percent of the world says, even Christians.

Guojing · Nov 9, 2019

yeshuaslavejeff said:
I liked it better before I read this post. Post 166 was good - a valid reminder that we may often forget -
and
apparently it is forgotten that we must give up everything (not just money, but it is included)

if we want to be Jesus' students permanent. (permanent disciple)
....

Jesus directions for "finance", is much different than 95 percent of the world says, even Christians.

Actually I find many who criticize the so called "prosperity preachers" rarely sat thru the entire sermon preached by them. Many were just short video snippets of what was preached "out of context" in the entire sermon.

Thus, its easy to conclude that they are preaching money money money only. No one ever realized how much they themselves sowed to God's kingdom, how they urge their congregation to believe the correct things, seek the Lord's righteousness.

In short prosperity is the result of right believing, rather than the end in itself.

yeshuaslavejeff · Nov 9, 2019

Guojing said:
Actually I find many who criticize the so called "prosperity preachers" rarely sat thru the entire sermon preached by them.

The properity gospel is a false gospel, so it is actually said in Scripture that they are anathema and not to be entertained nor eat a meal with them, and definitely do not listen to them.

yeshuaslavejeff · Nov 9, 2019

Guojing said:
In short prosperity is the result of right believing, rather than the end in itself.

THAT is the problem with the prosperity teaching.
This is not true, concerning money.(spiritual prosperity is another thing entirely)

Usually or often, when people live as God says, they suffer more money troubles or 'shortages', including not being prosperous like the wicked may be and often are. This is noted throughout the New Testament and also Foxes Book of Martyrs, and many other bibliographies of CHristians in history.

Guojing · Nov 9, 2019

yeshuaslavejeff said:
The properity gospel is a false gospel, so it is actually said in Scripture that they are anathema and not to be entertained nor eat a meal with them, and definitely do not listen to them.

The term itself is vague. Jesus himself preached he has come to give us abundant life, 3 John 1:2, Deut 28, and Psalms 103, are examples of the many verses that preach financial prosperity as blessings from God

When someone like you claim "The properity gospel is a false gospel", what do you exactly mean?

yeshuaslavejeff · Nov 9, 2019

Guojing said:
The term itself is vague. Jesus himself preached he has come to give us abundant life, 3 John 1:2, Deut 28, and Psalms 103, are examples of the many verses that preach financial prosperity as blessings from God

When someone like you claim "The properity gospel is a false gospel", what do you exactly mean?

Exactly what I say.
For better/ fuller explanations, just internet/bible search for false gospel/ prosperity - there is a long list of false preachers and several sites that go into detail , with all Scripture, showing why it is not the true gospel.

The term might seem vague... it is often mis-represented. But the idea is very clear in Scripture - no vagueness at all about this. Just might not be fully brought out on the forum.... or maybe it was, is and will be again? I don't know.

timothyu · Nov 9, 2019

Guojing said:
Jesus himself preached he has come to give us abundant life

Why did the church prosper while the peasants didn't. Oh yeah, they supported the Church.

yeshuaslavejeff · Nov 9, 2019

Or they were oppressed instead of cared for.

Guojing · Nov 9, 2019

yeshuaslavejeff said:
Exactly what I say.
For better/ fuller explanations, just internet/bible search for false gospel/ prosperity - there is a long list of false preachers and several sites that go into detail , with all Scripture, showing why it is not the true gospel.

The term might seem vague... it is often mis-represented. But the idea is very clear in Scripture - no vagueness at all about this. Just might not be fully brought out on the forum.... or maybe it was, is and will be again? I don't know.

There are more verses in Scripture that talks about financial prosperity as a blessing from God than one remember so I will agree with you that this idea that God wants to bless us with that is indeed very clear in Scripture.

We are not to trust in financial prosperity, that I agree.

Guojing · Nov 9, 2019

timothyu said:
Why did the church prosper while the peasants didn't. Oh yeah, they supported the Church.

How did you know that the peasants didn't?

yeshuaslavejeff · Nov 9, 2019

Guojing said:
We are not to trust in financial prosperity, that I agree.

What does the New Testament say about seeking this world's goods,
and about "building another silo" to hold more ,
and about motive in seeking to acquire money,
and even just about HAVING a stash ?

yeshuaslavejeff · Nov 9, 2019

Guojing said:
How did you know that the peasants didn't?

Peasants by definition are basically the lower levels of so-called society in most places,
and the word is even used derisively by those who are proud when they say "you're just a peasant!".... so don't speak/ learn your place, / stay where you belong and don't bother us who are rich ....

A Gerbil · Nov 9, 2019

“Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.”

Isn't Satan 'the Prince of this world'? Didn't he offer Jesus all the kingdoms of this world? Christianity is about rejecting materialism, save for providing for your immediate needs.

Guojing · Nov 9, 2019

yeshuaslavejeff said:
What does the New Testament say about seeking this world's goods,
and about "building another silo" to hold more ,
and about motive in seeking to acquire money,
and even just about HAVING a stash ?

You made me recall a book where a Jew explained to Christians why they are rich, something like "You guys follow the NT only but all the promises about finances are in the OT, and we follow the OT only." ^_^

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