How did the ark Kinds give rise to extant taxa?

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If all copies of Origin of Species vanished overnight along with our memory of it, evolutionary biology would not be affected by it.

Not to mention more people would know the name Alfred Wallace instead of Charles Darwin.
 
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Not really. The idea of evolution was being considered by a number of scientists at the time. Darwin just happened to publish first. If all copies of Origin of Species vanished overnight along with our memory of it, evolutionary biology would not be affected by it.
It's been a long long time since I read it, but it sure seemed foundational to me.
 
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It's been a long long time since I read it, but it sure seemed foundational to me.

Darwin wasn't the only one to come up with the concept of natural selection. Alfred Wallace independently came up with the same idea around the same time Darwin did. Darwin just happened to get a book published on it and became famous for it.
 
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It's been a long long time since I read it, but it sure seemed foundational to me.
I'm not sure what you mean by "foundational" but the work is certainly not regarded as authoritative in the same way you regard scripture. No one will assert "It must be thus-and-so because Origin of Species says..."
 
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Darwin wasn't the only one to come up with the concept of natural selection. Alfred Wallace independently came up with the same idea around the same time Darwin did. Darwin just happened to get a book published on it and became famous for it.

I'm not sure what you mean by "foundational" but the work is certainly not regarded as authoritative in the same way you regard scripture. No one will assert "It must be thus-and-so because Origin of Species says..."
Remember, my comment was in jest, but I do think you're minimizing the effect the book had on biology and peoples thinking in general.
 
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Evolutionists don't claim to base their beliefs on a book written word for word by God and free of error of any kind,
Would it be more correct to say that they base their beliefs, like most of the world,
on faulty people in a system that as to its very nature is faulty ?
 
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"Alfred Russel Wallace
Alfred Russel Wallace was a British naturalist, explorer, geographer, anthropologist, and biologist. He is best known for independently conceiving the theory of evolution through natural selection; his paper on the subject was jointly published with some of Charles Darwin's writings in 1858. This prompted Darwin to publish his own ideas in On the Origin of Species.Wikipedia
Born:08, 1823, Llanbadoc, Monmouthshire, Great Britain
Died:Nov 07, 1913, Broadstone, Dorset, England
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I feel certain he would have asked what death was when he was given the instructions, whether it was currenty happening, or not... don't you?
Do you gave any intention of ever addressing my point, or will it be continual avoidance and deflection? I'm beginning to think you have no answer.

Let's try again: how could Adam have been going to die if there was no death?
 
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Let's try again: how could Adam have been going to die if there was no death?
Easy.
It is written in the book of Genesis.

I'm pretty sure it was posted 437 times in the last six months , or was it six years now ? hmmmm.... not sure....
 
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Easy.
It is written in the book of Genesis.

I'm pretty sure it was posted 437 times in the last six months , or was it six years now ? hmmmm.... not sure....
I quoted the book of Genesis which contradicts your assertion. Of course, you will have no problem quoting the passage in Genesis which says there was no death.

Please, no dancing, no prevarication, no avoidance. Just quote the relevant passage.
 
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Do you gave any intention of ever addressing my point, or will it be continual avoidance and deflection? I'm beginning to think you have no answer.

Let's try again: how could Adam have been going to die if there was no death?
What I don't have, is a clue as to the point you're trying to make. Are you saying that because nothing had died before, we wouldn't die when we were cut-off from the 'tree of life,' as God had clearly warned Adam of, and carried out in (Genesis 3:22).
 
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I quoted the book of Genesis which contradicts your assertion. Of course, you will have no problem quoting the passage in Genesis which says there was no death.

Please, no dancing, no prevarication, no avoidance. Just quote the relevant passage.
Did you quote where Yahuweh the Creator said to them that they would die if they ate of that tree ?
 
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What I don't have, is a clue as to the point you're trying to make. Are you saying that because nothing had died before, we wouldn't die when we were cut-off from the 'tree of life,' as God had clearly warned Adam of, and carried out in (Genesis 3:22).
God did not say they nor we would die because of being cut off from the tree of life. He told them rather directly that they would die if they disobeyed Him, if they ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
 
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Did you quote where Yahuweh the Creator said to them that they would die if they ate of that tree ?
I distinctly asked you not to employ this avoidance tactic. I'll take it you concede the point.

What I don't have, is a clue as to the point you're trying to make. Are you saying that because nothing had died before, we wouldn't die when we were cut-off from the 'tree of life,' as God had clearly warned Adam of, and carried out in (Genesis 3:22).
Nice twisting. I asked how it is possible for something to die if there was no death. Genesis does not at any point say Adam would live forever, and it quite clearly says he should not be allowed to do so. It seems all you have is special pleading and adding to what is actually written. That's not an honest approach.
 
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I distinctly asked you not to employ this avoidance tactic. I'll take it you concede the point.
It is no avoidance tactic at all.
If you read Genesis, you know already where death came from.
I did not read all of your posts, so I don't know if you posted it or not already.
 
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