Debunking Flat Earth

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Coriolis is not a significant factor in shooting

It does, however, affect the rotation of large storms (i.e. hurricanes and typhoons) ...
OK, so here is my issue.. there are other so called factors, observations and evidences that some hold to be written in stone... as proof of a globe.. yet, like this one.. you say it is not something that affects snipers... While others would bet the farm, argue for days ad nausium... that it is.
 
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Wow.... so quick to judge. If I remember correctly, all I said was that I had mentioned in a thread, in the past, that the globe should give different weights at different latitudes and "someone else" said that the differences were not measurable.

You cannot just take one observation and say that you have proved something. There are other, contradictory observations, that are made over and over, that prove that we see too far....

So, as a person that has not accepted the FE myself... I am still searching.. I have not yet found proof of the FE or of a globe that is the size that they say it is..

I continue to say that something is not right...... with what we are told...

So... don't go claiming victory... you still have many other observations and so called evidences that raise questions....

And yet, every example of these "seeing too far" videos, upon scrutiny, are shown to be...not seeing too far....worse, most of them also show missing elevation at the bottom of the target, entirely consistent with a globe, and inconsistent with a flat earth.
 
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Guess again.

and again.

"Each rifle a sniper uses has unique characteristics that are compounded by the ammunition and many, many exterior factors. There is wind. There is humidity. There is the spin of the Earth."
Not in the talk that I heard, given by an expert... there were many variables... spin of the earth was not one of them.

Here's the deal... The earth spins west to east.. so.. if the spin was to have any effect.. it would vary on the direction that the shot was taken... North or south would be affected the most.. east and west... not at all...

All the degrees of the compass in between these would affect the travel of the bullet in an increasing or decreasing amount.

That would be very complicated and you never hear of this...

OH wait... did you read post number...868?

You guy's need to get your facts straight....
 
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Here's the deal... The earth spins west to east.. so.. if the spin was to have any effect.. it would vary on the direction that the shot was taken... North or south would be affected the most.. east and west... not at all...

All the degrees of the compass in between these would affect the travel of the bullet in an increasing or decreasing amount.

That would be very complicated and you never hear of this...

OH wait... did you read post number...871?
 
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And yet, every example of these "seeing too far" videos, upon scrutiny, are shown to be...not seeing too far....worse, most of them also show missing elevation at the bottom of the target, entirely consistent with a globe, and inconsistent with a flat earth.
"Every" example? I doubt that this is even remotely true.
 
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Do flat earthers use critical thinking skills at all? It was an anonymous person making claims. He admitted that he does not know what type of seals were used on the ISS and then throws out some seals that won't work. Then he claims that seals would be sucked out into the vacuum and that there is no calculations possible known to design seals against a vacuum. This is all nonsense. I am an engineer and seals work on a DP not absolute pressures. If a vacuum is 0 psi and the internal pressure is 14.7 psi (atmospheric pressure) a seal can definitely work with that small of a pressure DP.

His letter is read from around:
  • 31:40 re seals. Flawless, maintenance-free seals required. Vacuum pressure is space is allegedly up to 1.33 × 10−11 Pa. Just a teeny bit stronger than anything down here. Listen to the Navy guy at 37:45 discuss their evaporator system.
  • Re valves from 40:00. How to de-gauss, how to vent excess pressure? No back pressure in space. how are filters changed? Compare commercial airliner. Maintenance teams?
  • Re actuators from 44:50. Pneumatics and hydraulics unknown to deal with that temp range. Electrical require maintenance especially because no grounding, replacing components is hard work. Does Amazon deliver the spares?
  • Re maintenance from 50:30. Where's the machine shop? Compare ships and subs. Metal will warp, seals will leak, tubes will crack, belts will break etc etc. Do these things just fix themselves? Are the magical spinning ball faeries called up to fix everything with their magic wands? Need some heavy grinding machinery. Missions are years long.
Now I know you are not serious.

That's right, 6 out of 7 found same full name or surname, right age group, look identical (2 identical twins!) Sure, sure. You're a coincidence theorist, tell me what are the chances of that?

Judith Reznik - Judith Reznik
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Sharon ("Christa") McAuliffe - Sharon McAuliffe
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Now what are the chances, what are they mate? Come on champ, come on tiger, crunch the numbers, do tell.
 
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This is separate from the bulge caused by the tides of the moon, but the principle is similar. While the earth's gravity pulls things toward the center of the earth, the Moon's pulls things toward the center of the moon. When the moon is directly overhead, it's gravity is exactly opposed to Earth's (but it's much smaller since the moon is less massive and further away). This leads to the water rising to meet it, but only high enough that it again reaches a balance.

No, if the centrifugal force is powerful enough to make the earth bulge, where's the water going to go?

When the moon is directly overhead, it's gravity is exactly opposed to Earth's (but it's much smaller since the moon is less massive and further away).

Where are you getting your data? The moon would have zero gravitational effect on the earth by the numbers. It should by rights fall to earth. Show me your calcs.

Oh, so NASA murdered Ellison Onizuka's brother Claude and replaced him with Ellison. Ordinarily, I'd be skeptical, but that website used numerology to prove everything.

What are you jabbering about? It's obviously the same guy.
 
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That's right, 6 out of 7 found same full name or surname, right age group, look identical (2 identical twins!) Sure, sure. You're a coincidence theorist, tell me what are the chances of that?

Judith Reznik - Judith Reznik
JudithResnik_compared.jpg


Sharon ("Christa") McAuliffe - Sharon McAuliffe
ChristaMcAuliffe_compared.jpg


Now what are the chances, what are they mate? Come on champ, come on tiger, crunch the numbers, do tell.
These women are not identical to the Challenger crew members. In both cases, the womens' faces are too long, and their features much more spaced from top to bottom.
 
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No, if the centrifugal force is powerful enough to make the earth bulge, where's the water going to go?
Your question answers itself.

The centrifugal force is only powerful enough to make the oceans bulge. The water doesn't "go" anywhere. It continues to be shaped around the surface of the earth, just like the water clinging to your body corresponds to your shape after you step out of the shower. Similarly, despite your bodily movements, ... that water doesn't "go" anywhere, ... until it evaporates ... or you dry it off.
 
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Where are you getting your data? The moon would have zero gravitational effect on the earth by the numbers. It should by rights fall to earth. Show me your calcs.
The moon, as an object of mass, always exerts a gravitational effect ... that corresponds to its mass ... and the distance between it ... and other bodies of mass.

The moon is kept in orbit by the centripetal acceleration force (i.e. centrifugal force) caused by it's orbital speed around the earth.

Just like when your car goes around a curve, ... and you experience a pulling force away from the center of the curve's arc.

777 × 783
Physics for Animators
 
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I imagine, then, that you should have no trouble providing a counter example.
I doubt that you will accept any of these. However, they present questions that need to be answered... Is the globe huge... or is there even a curve at all...

 
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These women are not identical to the Challenger crew members. In both cases, the womens' faces are too long, and their features much more spaced from top to bottom.

Er, it's 30 years on. So what are the chances, all 6 with same names, 2 out of 6 identical twins, the other 4 similar features if not dead ringers. Same country, right age group etc.
 
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The centrifugal force is only powerful enough to make the oceans bulge.

No it just makes the earth bulge at the equator, but doesn't pull the waters in that direction. Right.
 
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The moon, as an object of mass, always exerts a gravitational effect ... that corresponds to its mass ... and the distance between it ... and other bodies of mass.

The moon is kept in orbit by the centripetal acceleration force (i.e. centrifugal force) caused by it's orbital speed around the earth.

Just like when your car goes around a curve, ... and you experience a pulling force away from the center of the curve's arc.

777 × 783
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What the?! The away force is centrifugal force. As a motorbike rider if I didn't drop my weight into the corner or power on out of the turn I'd high-side (been there). So where's this alleged centripetal force pulling me towards the centre?
 
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No, if the centrifugal force is powerful enough to make the earth bulge, where's the water going to go?

The same place the earth goes. In a bulge.

Where are you getting your data? The moon would have zero gravitational effect on the earth by the numbers.

All objects exert gravity.

It should by rights fall to earth.

It is. The poor thing keeps missing, because it's moving too fast in its orbit.

Show me your calcs.

You can follow along with Isaac Newton, who did the calculation 350 years ago.

What are you jabbering about? It's obviously the same guy.

No, it's his brother Claude.

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His letter is read from around:
  • 31:40 re seals. Flawless, maintenance-free seals required. Vacuum pressure is space is allegedly up to 1.33 × 10−11 Pa. Just a teeny bit stronger than anything down here.
Certainly high-quality, long-life seals are required, but that vacuum pressure isn't 'stronger' than anything down here, it just means the pressure is very nearly zero. Space doesn't suck with increasing negative pressure, it has a pressure close to zero. Spacesuit and space-station seals only need to resist atmospheric pressure (760 Torr, or 1.013×10^5 Pa).

Re valves from 40:00. How to de-gauss, how to vent excess pressure? No back pressure in space. how are filters changed? Compare commercial airliner. Maintenance teams?
De-gaussing means demagnetising - did you mean 'degassing'? You vent excess pressure by opening the valve until the pressure reduces to the required level. The fact that there's no back-pressure in space means you can do this without having to pump out the excess fluid. Any filters that are likely to need changing are placed inside the pressurised hull.

Re actuators from 44:50. Pneumatics and hydraulics unknown to deal with that temp range. Electrical require maintenance especially because no grounding, replacing components is hard work. Does Amazon deliver the spares?
Re maintenance from 50:30. Where's the machine shop? Compare ships and subs. Metal will warp, seals will leak, tubes will crack, belts will break etc etc. Do these things just fix themselves? Are the magical spinning ball faeries called up to fix everything with their magic wands? Need some heavy grinding machinery. Missions are years long.
Space systems are designed to be low-maintenance with ease of maintenance, e.g. plug-n-play swappable, with pre-planned maintenance & replacement schedules. Some spares are kept on board but can be sent up with supply missions. But things do go wrong, and astronauts may need to make spacewalks to do repairs - for example, when the ISS cooling system ammonia pump failed in 2010, the astronauts had to make over 25 hours of spacewalks to replace it. See ISS Ammonia Pump Failure.

The points in that post show a stunning ignorance of the relevant topics and even basic physics - you really need to find more reliable sources.
 
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