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INTJ or INFJ depending on when I take it
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I have always gotten a lot of INTP results when I take different online quizzes. I typed myself as INFP rather than INTP before getting my official results back (I took it in 2006 I believe). The results said INFP but the only very clear part was introversion. Everything else was on the border. I didn’t really think about it too much until I revisited it years later thinking I was maybe an INFJ (or basically any of the other introverted types). I realized some things then after learning more theory and learning about cognitive functions. My sister is actually an INFJ and me an INFP but the P and the J have nothing really to do with organization for us (from what I can tell).
We are both messy sometimes and both organized sometimes. Both spontaneous and both planners. I don’t know about other types but at least for us those stereotypes of J and P don't quite work.
I’ve always been a planner, and I still am. And as a responsible person I develop what are considered more J traits. However the P in INFP basically is just telling me my first extroverted function is intuition. Technically as an introvert, the P also tells me my first function is a judging function.
I wonder if it becomes more difficult to type people as they get older and learn new skills.
I took the online test on Truity.com yesterday and my results were: INFJ, INFP, and INTP (I can’t remember in which order.) But I thought that was a bit better than some of the other online tests.
US culture places greater value on being outgoing, so many introverts learn to wear an extroverted mask. I do it myself when necessary, but it's exhausting. Although can be quite talkative with close friends and family, and I do well in one on one situations, group situations and meeting new people takes a lot out of me. I find it more natural to maintain a smaller social sphere.I'm only moderate I and J, but very strong N and T, and all of those will come into play when describing my "true self". However in public, I can come across as being very extroverted, and being biologically female, have been socialized into being able to present more F than I actually experience.
I tend to upset or anger others far, far more than they do to me, to the point where I don't even have a clue they feel that way until they surprise me with some sort of attack that seems to come out of the blue.
People get the wrong impression a lot of the time, thinking that I'm very social and then get mad when I don't call them for two weeks just to "chat" about nothing. That one day of being very social took up all of my social energy and so then I just want to be left alone for the next few days, but they got the impression that it's an everyday thing for me, particularly if they are truly extroverted and social.
US culture places greater value on being outgoing,
And after the extroverts give people their shallow ideas of Christianity, we introverts must come in and fix itAs does Christianity. The whole idea of going out and spreading the gospel is something that suits extroverts far more than it does introverts.
Maybe, if the body was a giant mouth.As does Christianity.
In some ways, but talk is cheap. Those who live good lives have a more beneficial influence than those who merely talk about it.The whole idea of going out and spreading the gospel is something that suits extroverts far more than it does introverts.
Unfortunately, some see extroverts as natural leaders and introverts as natural followers. I disagree with such a simplistic line of thinking, and will resist if somebody oversteps and tries to exert undue influence in my life. I don't try to boss others around, and I insist that they extend the same courtesy to me if we're to spend time together. I value autonomy and self-reliance as much as I value harmony, which sometimes means keeping others at arms-length. As long as there's mutual respect or tolerance, of course, I can get along well with extroverts and any other type.
That's what I had in mind. When somebody assumes a leadership role because they happen to be louder than the next guy (or girl). Being louder has little to do with competence, an openness to personal growth, or even with the ability to manage others in an effective way. Leadership is a role, and roles within organizations and social groups tend to have well defined responsibilities. Something that many introverts are good at. They can also be inspirational and make thoughtful decisions when when given a platform. The challenge, of course, is how to identify them. If they're not making a lot of noise, they can be harder to identify. Of course, a lot depends on the culture.I don't mind letting someone else lead if I believe them to be competent or if I know they are sincerely learning and growing in a leadership position. However, I have no tolerance at all for those who think that because they are officially in a leadership position, that automatically makes them leaders even when they are entirely incompetent at the job, are heavily inclined towards micromanagement as a replacement for leadership, and they are unwilling to make changes for the better and work on attaining leadership skills. I have very little if no respect for the latter type. Regardless of whatever official position they hold, they are not leaders.
In a healthy environment, we are all going to be in a number of roles and situations where we are sometimes leading and sometimes following and we will need to learn how to do well at both, or at the very least, be willing to learn and make changes when needed.
One of the best forms of leadership is when the leader doesn't get in the way of what needs to be accomplished, and the quiet guidance, mentoring, and wisdom of the introverted leader is a real blessing.
Although Christian culture sometimes places inordinate value on being outgoing, Christianity itself doesn't.
Oh, I agree that there's more to it. Unfortunately, many MBTI-style tests and type watching guides rely on messy/tidy spontaneous/planner questions when assessing whether somebody is a P or a J. Similarly, some portray T as unfeeling and F as overly emotional, which also misses the point. Ts can have strong emotions, but are less likely to base their decisions on them. Likewise, Fs can think things through thoroughly but prefer to base their decisions on personal values. The cognitive functions model makes this clear, even if they're still painting with a broad brush. People have their own preferred ways of approaching things. It's not that they have deficiencies, but they prioritize things differently.
As far as the cognitive types go, my intuition seems evenly split between introverted and extroverted. That's one of the things that makes it difficult for me to categorize myself. INFPs and INTPs apparently prefer extroverted intuition, whereas INFJs and INTJs are said to prefer introverted intuition. I'm definitely more of an introvert than an extrovert in terms of what energizes me, and I like to maintain balance between thinking and feeling, which means T and F aren't my standout functions. That doesn't help either. lol
US culture places greater value on being outgoing, so many introverts learn to wear an extroverted mask. I do it myself when necessary, but it's exhausting. Although can be quite talkative with close friends and family, and I do well in one on one situations, group situations and meeting new people takes a lot out of me. I find it more natural to maintain a smaller social sphere.
Unfortunately, some see extroverts as natural leaders and introverts as natural followers. I disagree with such a simplistic line of thinking, and will resist if somebody oversteps and tries to exert undue influence in my life. I don't try to boss others around, and I insist that they extend the same courtesy to me if we're to spend time together. I value autonomy and self-reliance as much as I value harmony, which sometimes means keeping others at arms-length. As long as there's mutual respect or tolerance, of course, I can get along well with extroverts and any other type.
That's actually more common than you think. INFJ are highly sensitive and caring people. But, unlike the stereotypes INTJ are too! it's just that they are a little different in how they make their decisions. Just because a particular decision makes you feel deeply doesn't mean you actually decide using that emotional state though. take a look at their stacks. take this test a few timesI seem to go back and forth on INTJ and INFJ whenever I take the Myers-Briggs.
I’m an INFP and I can relate to that. I don’t really know how to make people feel better, and don’t know how to deal with other people’s emotions. Which is contrary to some false INFP stereotypes. Being able to comfort someone is a skill I think, that people can learn over time. I will say that I appreciate it when people confide their problems to me, but if they are crying all I can do is listen or let them cry in peace when they run away, then ask how they are later maybe... I like encouraging people. But that doesn't mean I can handle other people’s actual emotions. I can be present but I don’t feel that I can actually help them. Unless they ask me for advice or my thoughts or prayers....when people have shared heavy stuff with me is that I'm extremely uncomfortable and awkward in those types of situations, not because I don't have empathy, but because I never know how to make them feel better and I don't want to add to their pain.
I’m an ENTJ.
Personality tests have helped me understand the practical side of my calling, talents and place in the body. They highlight why some activities are more appealing than others.
And I understood why some personalities resonate more than others. I’ve dated and befriended my share of INTJ’s. But the connections that had the greatest impact were extroverts. The majority weren’t NTJ’s.
Delving into the enneagram was eye opening. I discovered my tritype and its relation to my personality and purpose came into view over time. And I realized God needed the same from me. I would learn the importance of manifestation and application. There’s specificity embedded in the qualities were given with a divine output in mind.
I went all-in and experienced striking differences in impact and enjoyment when I functioned in my rightful place. The body was made real and being out of position didn’t bring the same results. So I stayed put.
Now I focus on applying the qualities of power, influence and performance where they belong. My extroversion and drive are well-fed. I’m in my element and drawing complementary persons whose mission and makeup enhance my own (and I theirs). We each have something the other needs and our companionship is mutually enriching. We’re helping one another fulfilling our calling.
Personality tests were the avenue God used to refine my focus, build a network of like-minded believers, and affirm His fashioning and its kingdom purpose.
~Bella
You being a strong ENTJ seemed to explain a lot about why we sometimes clash as you sometimes say things in a way that make it clear that it's your ENTJ talking if that makes any sense.
It's not like you (or anyone) fall neatly into any personality categories, but can be helpful as you've said in a practical way in understanding others, provided we use these tests within their intended context.
I'm still trying to figure out my enneagram. Seems I get something different every time I take one of those tests and I haven't spent the time to really dig into all the descriptions to make a better determination for myself.
From what I’ve observed you’re analytical with strong convictions. You don’t seem daunted by conflict. And that’s needed. Some people need advocates who aren’t afraid and won’t succumb to pressure or bullying.
That's the INTJ in me.
Thanks for the link on the fascination tests. Haven't seen that one before!